Are we knuckle-dragging, bottom dwelling predators?

[roz]

There will always be that one dope who does his (or her) best to catch the most and the biggest.

Unfortunately this narrow minded woman is lumping everyone into the one category, she really ought to get out and take some time to meet REAL fishos.

r.

[Sea-Dog]

Bottom-Dwelling??

Don't think so....

But it sounds like she speaks through hers.

[lefty-green]

A person could consider modernday preservationists as Jew Gassin Nazi's - they care nil for any individual apart from themselves, wherever Ideology is at stake.

The philosophy is identical, only the direction is different.

cheers fnq

Thats the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this site. With comments like these being posted, I feel ashamed to be a rec fisherman!

No wonder reco's have a poor image with articles like the one being discussed appearing in the press. I hope no-one reads the above drivel and publishes it in any mainstream media.
Shame on you

[Far side]

There is another thread on this as well. Dont take it too seriously i think that what they want an adverse reaction

Ps does anyone know where there is a grassy boat ramp (knuckles are really sore from the concrete ones"

[Poseidon]

Each and every pastime has its fair share of Neanderthals and Knuckle Draggers. Unfortunately these kind are generally some of the loudest and most disrespectful people within the group and those from the outside can't see past them to the, Normal People.

The fishing fraternity has its fair share as well.

Whilst BCF keep using that pair of yobbos in their ads.....what hope have we got of changing the perception.

[FNQCairns]

Thats the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this site. With comments like these being posted, I feel ashamed to be a rec fisherman!

No wonder reco's have a poor image with articles like the one being discussed appearing in the press. I hope no-one reads the above drivel and publishes it in any mainstream media.
Shame on you

Not PC enough you say, that is a shame. I search and I search to find where the paralel diverges, wanders even, from the science used to the moral tenents forgotten, nay.....any tenent that can exist where ideological dogma is the end point.

There are more examples of how a society should never behave, the parallel always runs true, only the sophistication used changes, the victims are simply victims and held without regard in every instance.

Good luck on your quest......

Might I recommend some books borrowed from the non fiction section

cheers fnq

[billfisher]

Come off it lefty-green, the Courier Mail article and other depictions of recreation fishermen such as Tim Winton's speech could have been something from the speeches of Dr Goebles. There are similarites between environmentalists and the Nazis. Their self rightiousness, appeals to authority, intolerance of other opinions and lack of concern to the harm they do to others.

[kingtin]

Come off it lefty-green, the Courier Mail article and other depictions of recreation fishermen such as Tim Winton's speech could have been something from the speeches of Dr Goebles. There are similarites between environmentalists and the Nazis. Their self rightiousness, appeals to authority, intolerance of other opinions and lack of concern to the harm they do to others.

At the risk of also sounding unPC and intolerant it would seem that many are unaware (even the Greens themselves) of links between early/modern Green parties and the National Socialists of Germany. I don't intend to illustrate the links here for fear of "preaching" but Google is your friend. A simple search on "green" and "National Socialist" will clearly show the similarities between National Socialist thinking and "modern green" thinking.

Although Hitler's "arms race" was contrary to Nazi green thinking, it, (violence and persecution) was considered justifiable in order to pursue the greater "Green Goal" (The ends justifies the means). One has only to consider the violence perpetrated by the likes of the Animal Rights Movement (many members being Green activists) to clearly illustrate the similarities between "green" and "nazi".

If you can agree with the above, (after googling), then you must agree that fnq and billfisher have a point.

kev

[Chris Ryan]

Well.....

Adolf Hitler was a apparently a vegetarian............so I guess there is the start of it........

[lefty-green]

I'm findind it very difficult to draw parallels between the green movement and the people (?) responsible for the death of 6 million people. I am aware that everyone is entitled to their opinions but for you to think that rec fishing is being persecuted to the extent that the jewish people of Europe were in the 30's and 40's is ridiculous. Please have a think about what you post and how the posts would be viewed by other user-groups.

[mad_pierre06]

I find it more than circumstantial that a so-called self described rec. fisho called Lefty-Green happens to appear in this forum, joining on the 21st, who knows that Grant Bennett is high up in the MBAA, makes inflammatory comments in both threads regarding this subject, makes the point about what might happen if comments by people in here appeared in mainstream media, yet has made no posts whatsoever in any fishing related threads.

Trawling for fiery reactions with the intent of helping them appear in general media, mayhaps?

[billfisher]

I'm findind it very difficult to draw parallels between the green movement and the people (?) responsible for the death of 6 million people. I am aware that everyone is entitled to their opinions but for you to think that rec fishing is being persecuted to the extent that the jewish people of Europe were in the 30's and 40's is ridiculous. Please have a think about what you post and how the posts would be viewed by other user-groups.

More like 60 million people if you take into account WW2 casualties. No one is suggesting fishermen are being persecuted to the extent the Jews were by the Nazis. For a start there isn't even a Green government in existance. I pointed out some of the similarites in the Green ideology and attitudes. No doubt if they ever got into government and implemented their policies there would be untold harm to human welfare.

[seatime]

Here you go lefty-green, just because you can't draw a parallel plenty of others can and have.
This describes some of the extremist views held by PETA, which no doubt lots of GREENS are paralleling with:

http://www.fishing.co.uk/article.php3?id=794
and an excerpt from the article:

"Until we can converse with fish and ask them, we shall never know what fish experience, and that is never going to happen because fish are too far down the biological ladder to give us any answers anyway. And besides, it wouldn't matter a damn. It would be akin to asking a cucumber if it felt pain when we chop it up. I mean, as the hippies once said, "vegetables are people too, man".

Fish are a totally inferior life-form to our own and, as such, are our natural food, as they are each others food.

From our own scientific studies we can deduce that they are not too bright. Most people would agree that fish are not exactly aware of much of what goes on in their own world, let alone ours. They rely on instinct. So much for the 'sentient creatures' argument. Not to get too technical about it, fish lack the neuro-bits which would make us (if hooked) go "Ow!" - yet they retain the instinctive survival qualities to ensure they try as hard as possible to avoid capture. So they fight when they're hooked. And that's it.

Of course it helps if we can produce solid scientific facts to back this up, such as Dr Rose of University of Wyoming supplied. He did. To the hilt. But that don't really help much in the face of fundamental extremism, and/or $20 million to buy alternate viewpoints, does it?"

There has been a number of books written about the parallels between the NAZIS and the GREEN movement.
For starters you can try Jonathon Olsen's "How Green Were the Nazis? Nature, Environment, and Nation in the Third Reich".

Just like many of those who embraced National Socialism, most of you GREENIES have NO IDEA and how close your ideals parallel those of Nazi Germany 1933-1945.

[kingtin]

I find it more than circumstantial that a so-called self described rec. fisho called Lefty-Green happens to appear in this forum, joining on the 21st, who knows that Grant Bennett is high up in the MBAA, makes inflammatory comments in both threads regarding this subject, makes the point about what might happen if comments by people in here appeared in mainstream media, yet has made no posts whatsoever in any fishing related threads.

Trawling for fiery reactions with the intent of helping them appear in general media, mayhaps?

If I'm not mistaken though, there is/was a member who had been here some time named somewhat similar...........left greeny or greeny left.......something like?

kev

[kingtin]

I'm findind it very difficult to draw parallels between the green movement and the people (?) responsible for the death of 6 million people. I am aware that everyone is entitled to their opinions but for you to think that rec fishing is being persecuted to the extent that the jewish people of Europe were in the 30's and 40's is ridiculous. Please have a think about what you post and how the posts would be viewed by other user-groups.

Mate, I said that I wouldn't "preach" on the subject and therefore simply gave pointers to where those parallels can be found and gelsec has rightly pointed out some of those parallels.

Greens (in general) give not a toss for the rule of democracy, but simply profit from the "gaps' in the democratic process. Their "voice" bears no comparison to their actual votes received. They attempt to govern by coercion, subterfuge, the undermining of established authority, the subjugating and indoctrination of the disillusioned (young and other "cause seekers) and the manipulation of the media. Their actions and policies are akin to the party that murdered millions simply because they consider those millions to be inferior or in someway, of no use to "mother earth".

All I can conclude from your posting here is that you are one of those "indoctrinated young, or cause seekers" who has not attempted to benefit from what is clearly and historically indicated and is freely available via google or other publications. If you are an older more experienced person, then there is no excuse for denying the fact that parallels can be drawn between modern day greens, and the Nazi Party. Open your ears, eyes, and mind, and you will see that what has been stated in this thread, is fact, not false propaganda.

kev

PS take a long hard look at some of the Green leaders and spokesmen. I am far from being a perfect judge of character but if their patronising, smug, self-fulfilling, statements and attitudes towards the majority, doesn't reek of Nazi style arrogance, indoctrination, and adherence to "the cause" then I will forgo all fish, meat and fowl and eat my greens!