Are we knuckle-dragging, bottom dwelling predators?

[Chris Ryan]

lefty green...........could it be aka Daphne Haneman...........??????

Daphne is it you?? You would be better to come out and admit it rather than hide, or is this how you spoke to the "fisherman you know"? Cruised into a thread and stole someones words?

Hmmmm

[Far side]

Getting back to the point
We are more green than the greens

We don’t drop our rubbish in the ocean
We don’t intentionally run over dugongs and turtles and avoid them if we see them
We don’t take undersize fish
We enjoy the environment we fish in and take pleasure in our surroundings
We care about our bay and its surrounds
If you don’t think like this then you shouldn’t fish
Some of us have really long arms but according to statistics is only 5%
(really big fish)

[Chris Ryan]

very well put farside..........and chockers full of truth!

[lefty-green]

Mate, I said that I wouldn't "preach" on the subject and therefore simply gave pointers to where those parallels can be found and gelsec has rightly pointed out some of those parallels.

Greens (in general) give not a toss for the rule of democracy, but simply profit from the "gaps' in the democratic process. Their "voice" bears no comparison to their actual votes received. They attempt to govern by coercion, subterfuge, the undermining of established authority, the subjugating and indoctrination of the disillusioned (young and other "cause seekers) and the manipulation of the media. Their actions and policies are akin to the party that murdered millions simply because they consider those millions to be inferior or in someway, of no use to "mother earth".

All I can conclude from your posting here is that you are one of those "indoctrinated young, or cause seekers" who has not attempted to benefit from what is clearly and historically indicated and is freely available via google or other publications. If you are an older more experienced person, then there is no excuse for denying the fact that parallels can be drawn between modern day greens, and the Nazi Party. Open your ears, eyes, and mind, and you will see that what has been stated in this thread, is fact, not false propaganda.

kev

PS take a long hard look at some of the Green leaders and spokesmen. I am far from being a perfect judge of character but if their patronising, smug, self-fulfilling, statements and attitudes towards the majority, doesn't reek of Nazi style arrogance, indoctrination, and adherence to "the cause" then I will forgo all fish, meat and fowl and eat my greens!

This is a very disappointing post! You are guilty of the very thing you you accuse the greens of. Are you not coercing, subterfuging, undermining established authority, subjugating and indoctrinating the disillusioned by sprouting such drivel?

[mik01]

greenie - its clear you have wandered off the path and onto our site where your rantings clearly aren't welcome.
You speak the words, however do you understand them?

[the baker]

Yep another one has shown there true colours obviously another writer that has lived a sheltered life. We as fisho's need to show these people that we aren't there to rape the place. But that thing needs to put some brakes on that mouth that keeps shooting its self off and get some realism in her writing instead of writing fictious stories, another uneducated opinion. And then they have the hide to call them selves environmentalist's when they waist good paper ( that is made from trees) to have that CRAP printed on it.

Dave.

[the baker]

Thats the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this site. With comments like these being posted, I feel ashamed to be a rec fisherman!

No wonder reco's have a poor image with articles like the one being discussed appearing in the press. I hope no-one reads the above drivel and publishes it in any mainstream media.
Shame on you

Greenie

I am ashamed that you are a fisherman I wonder if you have ever wet a line.

The Baker

[Chris Ryan]

This is a very disappointing post! You are guilty of the very thing you you accuse the greens of. Are you not coercing, subterfuging, undermining established authority, subjugating and indoctrinating the disillusioned by sprouting such drivel?

Isn't it funny - when a green group does this to the general public, it is considered necessary and a great injustice if it isn't done. Yet when it is done back to them, OOoohh they don't like it.

Well lefty-green, us fishos are sick of being the punching bag to be used at the whim of green conservation groups convincing governments and the public that our lifestyle is the axis of evil. No more, it stops now. QLD has 260,000 registered and unregistered boats, 1/3 of those are used for pleasure only (yachts & large cruisers etc), the remainder are purchased for the SOLE PURPOSE OF FISHING.

The data is compiled and the economics of the importance of the industries associated with fishing have been done. Actually they have been more than done as one of the Big 5 accounting firms has spent the last years collating, auditing and verifying the data. Governments at all levels are very interested to get their hands on this information because it will show the economic impact it will cause by shutting down fishing and the flow on effects to other industries. It runs into the multi billions of dollars and impacts almost all walks of life; from mechanics, to electricians, to healthcare!

Well I, like many others, will be buggered if we let the whinging kids that throw tantrums to get their own way will be allowed to steamroll a lifestyle, an existence, and a way of life.

Chris

[kingtin]

This is a very disappointing post! You are guilty of the very thing you you accuse the greens of. Are you not coercing, subterfuging, undermining established authority, subjugating and indoctrinating the disillusioned by sprouting such drivel?

No I'm not, I'm simply being factual.

You have made yet another response with not a mention of those facts that I have pointed you in the direction of.

Methinks that here we have not a Green but simply a troll.

kev

[Poodroo]

The thing about this ongoing debate is that we have information that is collected research data from fisheries that straight away proves that the dugong and turtle deaths are nowhere near what the greenies are claiming so the credibility of the greenies is already very questionable. The information that we have also doesn't point the finger at recreational fishermen and women as being the likely cause of death. Everytime we look at documentaries on the TV which film reefs all we see is vibrant colours and lots of healthy looking fish which indicates to me there is an abundance of life below us. Closure of areas in the bay will not stop dugong and turtle deaths and bag limits are put in place to sustain the longevity of the targeted species which I am sure most fishermen and women adhere to. I say most because there are always a minority of morons who tend to disobey the law and do what they want out there but with policing they will get caught one day. I can speak personally for myself and the friends that I have made through this website that when we are on the water we obey the rules and if we see a plastic bag or any floating rubbish we stop the boat and pick it up. I carry a rubbish bag on board to make sure my rubbish and anyone else's is disposed of in a thoughtful manner. lefty_green's argument is all one sided and so far the attack he/she has on the Ausfish members in this thread are all targeting people I know who do the right thing when on the water so crawl back into the hole you came from and stop carrying on with the meaningless drivel.

Poodroo

[Jono_SS]

look, i think she has made an excellent point in her insightful article. in fact, I'm going to sell my boat and fishing gear asap.

and what am i going to do with all my spare time you ask, well, it's obvious, I'm going to campaign for full on PEACE IN THE MARINE WORLD - and not just to see an end to people killing fish. No sir-eee, i'm going to target predatory sea creatures as well. that's right, i'm going to convince all those "canibals" that it's just not on. phytoplankton, seaweed, seagrass, mangrove leaves, lawn clippings - there's plenty of natural plant options for the sharks, mackerel, trevally, flathead, whiting, snapper etc. Scavengers are out too - fancy eating your dead mates...shame on you. I mean, it's our responsibility as higher order beings to enlighten these poor souls.

And if there are any arguements, protests or violence among the fish folk, then they'll have to be put in the slammer i.e. underwater world/sea world shark lagoon.

ahhh, a more detailed plan of a better world is just a few more "trips" away.

[FNQCairns]

look, i think she has made an excellent point in her insightful article. in fact, I'm going to sell my boat and fishing gear asap.

and what am i going to do with all my spare time you ask, well, it's obvious, I'm going to campaign for full on PEACE IN THE MARINE WORLD - and not just to see an end to people killing fish. No sir-eee, i'm going to target predatory sea creatures as well. that's right, i'm going to convince all those "canibals" that it's just not on. phytoplankton, seaweed, seagrass, mangrove leaves, lawn clippings - there's plenty of natural plant options for the sharks, mackerel, trevally, flathead, whiting, snapper etc. Scavengers are out too - fancy eating your dead mates...shame on you. I mean, it's our responsibility as higher order beings to enlighten these poor souls.

And if there are any arguements, protests or violence among the fish folk, then they'll have to be put in the slammer i.e. underwater world/sea world shark lagoon.

ahhh, a more detailed plan of a better world is just a few more "trips" away.

What a crackup

BUT

Shame shame shame on you! for considering such an emotional and ideological stance, you must be many many green dream years ahead of your time...grasshopper better to first learn how to abuse and disenfranchise those ifamilys and fisher folk who do no measurable harm, with just the power of ideology and low low moral political allies as your sword wielders at your table you can smite these good folk while their their heads are turned...Warrior may the ancient gods smile on your barbarian quest for total enlightenment.

cheers fnq

[lefty-green]

I am ashamed that you are a fisherman I wonder if you have ever wet a line.

Yes I have wet a line - several in fact. I have been rec fishing for 30 years, what about yourself?

QLD has 260,000 registered and unregistered boats, 1/3 of those are used for pleasure only (yachts & large cruisers etc), the remainder are purchased for the SOLE PURPOSE OF FISHING

Do you feel that people that go fishing are responsible for 2/3 of all boat strikes of turtles and dugongs?

No I'm not, I'm simply being factual.

You have made yet another response with not a mention of those facts that I have pointed you in the direction of.

Methinks that here we have not a Green but simply a troll.

kev

The only thing I have said in this post is that i disagreed with the fact that people have drawn parallels between the ideologies of the Environmental movement and the NAZI's. Given that the NAZI's were ultra-conservatives from the right side of politics I find it difficult to see how they can be compared to the environmental movement on the political left. My one and only point is that i disagree with people about this.

[PinHead]

I agree Lefty..greenies should not be put in wth the NAZIS..too far right...better to put them with Comrade Stalin...he was more brutal and crazy..same as the greens

[Chris Ryan]

Do you feel that people that go fishing are responsible for 2/3 of all boat strikes of turtles and dugongs?

You are a deadset stirrer lefty and you know full well that comment is just aimed to make people go WTF! So in a peaceful fellow human loving manner here is the answers to your question above.

How many pleasure craft have killed a dugong in Moreton Bay in the last 2 years (and even longer)? Well to save you the trouble of looking it up it is NIL.

What does the turtles floating disease mainly get caused by??? Rubbish and pollution. Who is responsible for having adequate measure to look after that issues? The EPA. Do you think a green zone will stop boat strike? Answer is NO as jetski riders and RIB racers will still do 60kph through them and hit the animals, yet the responsible fisho won't be allowed near them.

Want a way to solve boat strike and propeller damage - make it mandatory to fit a propeller guard to ALL vessels both commercial and recreational using the Bay.

Fix the waterways quality first and see what response you get from nature. Address protection from boats with prop guards - see how many turtles etc get killed from props then. If after several years of scientific reporting on these two things alone the Bay is still declining like all the doomsayers think, then close it off. Until then, leave the rec fisho and those others responsibly using the bay alone.