[quote=plaztix;752636]Is it necessary straight up or will i get a session out of the standard trebs.(or are they crap)

What size owner stinger would you recommend?[/quote]

Sorry Plaztix .... lost track of this one

You will get a session out of them ..... but they are not what I call a sticky hook ..... even the sure catch red trebles are a lot better !
( Owners in 12 or 14 from memory)
Nagg