ALTERNATIVE ZONING a fishos proposal

[DR]

No need for any research or anything else..the Minister for DPI&F has already stated that the size and bag limits have maintained sustainability.

Obviously you think that we should all accept the MBAA findings? Sorry..no support from me.

What does the EPA offer?..closures
What does the MBAA offer?..closures.

As for the big bank account..the MBAA had already used some of mine..Federal Govt grant.

Why should I support anyone that proposes green zones when I am anti same. I do not want any therefore I will not support the MBAA. As far as I can see it..it is a sellout. They even have a radical green in their midst..Mr Baltais.

Once green zones are in place they will never be reversed…all that will happen is that when they come up for review again they will just expand on what they already have.

As I have said previously, once Bligh became Premier it was all done and dusted as she is from the left faction.

Regardless of what proposals the EPA put into place, I will never agree that any green zones are necessary for Moreton Bay at all.

Please inform me as to what chance the MBAA is offering rec fishos????

good ole Pinhead, one of the worst naysayers..
MBAA offer at least some kind of combined resistance, better than none at all. which is what you offer..
as i said, if you have a better equipped , more organised way to do it, don't keep it a secret, let us all in on it before it's too late.

what should we do? just sit around & do nothing ? & we will be better off....

[PinHead]

good ole Pinhead, one of the worst naysayers..
MBAA offer at least some kind of combined resistance, better than none at all. which is what you offer..
as i said, if you have a better equipped , more organised way to do it, don't keep it a secret, let us all in on it before it's too late.

what should we do? just sit around & do nothing ? & we will be better off....

If you wish to support the MBAA go right ahead but face facts..not everyone is going to..and I am one of those. I am vehemently opposed to closures of any type and I will not waver from that view. If that makes me a naysayer or any other label you care to put on people I really don’t care. At least I know I will not have gone to the EPA and offered them areas to close instead of the areas they want to close. Give them an inch and it is all over and that is exactly what is happening. You better start practicing your golf game.

I love that..when someone disagrees with the MBAA’s proposals..what is the response..you organise something better etc etc..I even got a pm from one of their researchers saying the same…give me quarter of a mill from the Fed Govt and I could oraganise something.

Did you notice at the recent rally that those that were there appeared to be in favour of no closures!!!!!

I notice you did not offer a response to my question

[Mike Delisser]

As I have said previously, once Bligh became Premier it was all done and dusted as she is from the left faction.

Actually Greg I think if it was ever done and dusted it was when we ran a boat rally and an anti labour campain on the eve of the Sept 2006 state election. Remember that, when we were going to make them sit up and take notice of the fisherman, and labour absolutely romped home regardless.

However where there's a will (if there's enough of them) there's a way, but it won't be easy, esp with the Qld Gov now "world leaders in fish management" and about to be asked to help the East Timorese Gov establish green zones to protect their fish stocks (true).

Although no Moreton Bay green zones would be great (even though we already have them) the reality is our best chance of an improvement on the current plan is unfortunatley that dirty word compromise. Ten years ago drawing a line in the sand might have worked but we now live in a world of key performance indicators, industry standards and worlds best practice.

And Greg, I like your public insurrection plan, just let me get some shares in some of those companies that run the new private prisons first.
Cheers
Mike

[DR]

If you wish to support the MBAA go right ahead but face facts..not everyone is going to..and I am one of those. I am vehemently opposed to closures of any type and I will not waver from that view. If that makes me a naysayer or any other label you care to put on people I really don’t care. At least I know I will not have gone to the EPA and offered them areas to close instead of the areas they want to close. Give them an inch and it is all over and that is exactly what is happening. You better start practicing your golf game.

I love that..when someone disagrees with the MBAA’s proposals..what is the response..you organise something better etc etc..I even got a pm from one of their researchers saying the same…give me quarter of a mill from the Fed Govt and I could oraganise something.

Did you notice at the recent rally that those that were there appeared to be in favour of no closures!!!!!

I notice you did not offer a response to my question

they are offering more than nothing, which is what we get if we all sit on our hands & want it all..

which question??? this one? Please inform me as to what chance the MBAA is offering rec fishos???? see above..

we have green zones & will get more if someone doesn't do something.. no-one wants green zones, but they are a fact of life , we have them & they EPA, want to give us more, i am at a loss to understand your argument????? we are not going to get any of it back, most are aware of that, we are going to get more, everyone is aware of that, how the hell can sitting back & saying you disagree & won't support anyone because we don't need or want green zones, help anything....



it's all become clear.
i think you must be a believer in 'The Secret' if we all just visualise, we will get what we want......come on all, start visualising..

[Mike Delisser]

MMMM I might go sit in my boat and just chant:
SERENITY NOW
SERENITY NOW
SERENITY NOW

[Chris Ryan]

Well DR's your comments quickly reminded me of the pre-election whoo haaa we had with the two fishing parties. "Your are either with us or against us" is not the way forward and does nothing to have a cohesive united front.

Not everyone will agree with the MBAA and not everyone will agree with Sunfish and some will actually agree with the EPA (as we have seen a little of).
It doesn't matter actually if you agree/disagree it matters that you do something about it and put your energies into things that show fisho's are doing something about this issue and are voicing our concerns. The MBAA are doing things their way, Sunfish are doing theirs another way and I am doing things to support both sides of the fence with the rallies and such.

Bagging someone for having an alternative idea is poor form and I think just puts the MBAA's efforts backwards - why - as it makes you and anyone else who says similar things look like a redneck (regardless of if you are or not) which is exactly what trap the green/anti-fishing groups want us to fall into.

Chris