Liberals on fishing

[manchild]

I know who i vote for saturday .Do you?
http://bayjournal.com.au/joomla/inde...=852&Itemid=44
Check this out.By the way im absolutely couldnt give a continental about politics till they started to play in my backyard .
George

[Shane Boese]

I know who i vote for saturday .Do you?
http://bayjournal.com.au/joomla/inde...=852&Itemid=44
Check this out.By the way im absolutely couldnt give a continental about politics till they started to play in my backyard .
George

George

I know what you mean - politics meant little to me before I realised what could happen if we didnt get involved. Look at me now - up to my eyeballs in it!

Ron Boswell has been the voice of fishermen for several years now and it is through his intervention and involvement that fishermen and boaties have had a voice - particularly in the GBR. It is essential that he retain his Senate office to continue in that role. That is why The Fishing Party senate preference structure has given Ron the priority preference directly after their own candidates. He is too valuable to the Fishing and Marine Industry to put down the list.

Regards
Shane Boese

[manchild]

What can 1 do against all this scaremongering ,unscientific,treehugging antihuman BS?Little unfortunately.Still one has to try even when its defeats the very purpose of fishing and relaxing on the water with the kids.Good on you for standing up on my behalf and hope your intensions are pure with no hidden agendas.
George

[Boblee]

Because of the closer relationship with the greasy Greens and the Labour Party the coalition has to be seen usually as the best option for fishers and other environment users, but there is no substitute for having someone in Parliament to specifically look out for our interests.
As the Greasies have proved you don't have to have a large base membership, just use something like the environment to hide behind and draw votes.
Fishers, hunters, 4wd'rs, campers, horse riders etc etc all have more reasons to maintain the environment and especially access to it than the greasies whose main agenda is social reform and animal welfare the real conservationists are totally outnumbered and are only kept on as pets for publicity or an attempt at credibility.
What a pity all the groups with like interests can't get together or at least work together like the memberships who are usually involved with many and the same environment use activities at the same time.
The upper houses are or supposed to be the houses of review and it's past time when we should all be represented in a real way without catering to paybacks for preferences.
We also need to use a bit more of positive and real conservation input of our own such as in the VEAC proposal along the Murray even though it costs and possibly will make little difference to the outcome without positive backup where it counts in parliament but at least it's out there.
Without becoming political they will pick us off one by one.

[Scott nthQld]

It would be easier, less confusing, and fairer for all we just scrapped the prefernce system altogether in my opinion. That way there would be no dodgy deals between any party, and those that are elected, got there on their own votes not anyone elses. Also voters who pay little attention to politice would be absolutely certain who they were voting for and that their vote wouldn't be going to someone they didn't want.

[Hunta]

Ron Boswell has been the voice of fishermen for several years now and it is through his intervention and involvement that fishermen and boaties have had a voice - particularly in the GBR. It is essential that he retain his Senate office to continue in that role. That is why The Fishing Party senate preference structure has given Ron the priority preference directly after their own candidates. He is too valuable to the Fishing and Marine Industry to put down the list.

Regards
Shane Boese

Is Ron more important than getting our own fishing and lifestyle senator elected? Whether its a TFP or AFLP guy?

Hunta

[Shane Boese]

Hunta

In my opinion, Yes, Ron Boswell is more important. We, as fishermen, can get a lot more done by having an experienced politically savvy allay who is part of a major party (in this case Liberal/National coalition), than having a lone senator with little experience and no established political allays. Granted, the concept of holding a balance of power is appealing, but it is also a lottery with no guarantees. Taking our grievances to an established, proven team is by far the safest, strongest option.

Ron Boswell has been instrumental in the following outcomes for fishermen in the past and has the potential to achieve a lot more in the future

Achievements for recreational fishers and boating businesses

•

Stopped criminal convictions by introducing infringement notices for

fishers caught in green zones on GBR from 14 December 2006.
•

Negotiated commitment to removing criminal convictions for 300+

fishermen convicted of breaching ‘green zones’ on the GBRMP
prior to 14 December 2006. Took issue to Attorney General,
Minister for Justice, Prime Minister and to the Party Room on
several occasions to achieve secure the commitment.
•

Fought to get land based businesses included in Great Barrier Reef

Marine Park Restructure Package ($220 million plus package).
•

Successfully removed cap on funding available to businesses

under the GBRMP Restructure package.
•

Secured 20% premium on these GBRMP Restructure payments for

businesses to cover extra costs.
•

Inquiry / resultant changes to Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Act to

make GBRMPA more accountable, and provide certainty to fishers.
Spoke strongly in favour of fishing industries and recreational
fishermen.
•

Secured $100,000 for Water Works Wonders Australia Pty Ltd to

develop ’Takemefishing’, which promotes fishing as a precious
family decision, adapting the successful US ’Water Works
Wonders’ concept.
•

Leading campaign to protect the rights of boat owners and

fishermen as QLD Government’s Moreton Bay closure process
moves ahead.
•

Launched Outboard Engine Distributors’ Association’s Voluntary

Emissions Labelling Scheme (VELS).
•

Negotiated commitment to outboard motor / small engine

emissions regulation.
•

Successfully lobbied for $15 million extension to the Recreational
Fishing Community Grants program.

So yes far better to have Ron Boswell. Please remember that on polling day that The Fishing Party has put Ron Boswell number 3 on the senate ticket and the AFLP has put Ron Boswell at number nine on their senate ticket. It is your choice who you vote for but Ron Boswell has a by far better chance of getting in at number 3 than number 9.

Regards Shane Boese

[Hunta]

Hunta

In my opinion, Yes, Ron Boswell is more important. We, as fishermen, can get a lot more done by having an experienced politically savvy allay who is part of a major party (in this case Liberal/National coalition), than having a lone senator with little experience and no established political allays. Granted, the concept of holding a balance of power is appealing, but it is also a lottery with no guarantees. Taking our grievances to an established, proven team is by far the safest, strongest option.

Ron Boswell has been instrumental in the following outcomes for fishermen in the past and has the potential to achieve a lot more in the future

So yes far better to have Ron Boswell. Please remember that on polling day that The Fishing Party has put Ron Boswell number 3 on the senate ticket and the AFLP has put Ron Boswell at number nine on their senate ticket. It is your choice who you vote for but Ron Boswell has a by far better chance of getting in at number 3 than number 9.

Regards Shane Boese

Thanks for the reply; I have some additional questions: (of course I'm biased, but I think they are still valid )

On the AEC website it states that:

To be eligible for registration a party must be: “Established on the basis of a written Constitution that sets out the aims of the party”

I noticed that in the TFP constitution... (which has since been withdrawn from the TFP website... why is that?) That one of the primary aims of the party is to have its members elected to the commonwealth and state parliaments (or words to that effect).

Are you now going against one of the primary aims of your own constitution? Are you saying that the TFP ONLY exists to aide and support other political parties? Is TFP just a branch of the National Party? Did TFP register federally just to give the Nationals their preferences? If so does the AEC know this? Is it in your constitution?


Why don’t you just ask voters to vote for Boswell instead of the Fishing Party? You could just as easily hand out his how to vote cards.


What will you do (TFP) if you accidentally win? Will you try and hand the seat over to Ron?


Its all a little bit confusing, heres a supposed “political party” that doesn’t want to win the seat but wants to gather a few votes to give them to someone else. Doesn’t sound like a REAL political party to me! Sounds more like a puppet organisation, but then again that’s just my opinion. I’d be interested to hear some “facts”.


Hunta

[Shane Boese]

Hunta

The only confusion is that which you seek to create. Of course the ultimate aim of The Fishing Party is to get their own people into parliament. However, realistically speaking, particularly with smaller parties, the chance of attaining that goal is less likely than the well established larger, wealthier parties. With that in mind, the best way to ensure the continued value of the voters investment is to direct preferences in a manner The Fishing Party believes to be in the best interests of their voters and supporters. Which in this case, is towards a known and proven champion of the rights of Fishermen – Ron Boswell.

Not confusing, just sound political strategy.

Regards
Shane Boese

[Boblee]

I absolutely can't believe this.

Shane BoeseHunta

In my opinion, Yes, Ron Boswell is more important. We, as fishermen, can get a lot more done by having an experienced politically savvy allay who is part of a major party (in this case Liberal/National coalition), than having a lone senator with little experience and no established political allays. Granted, the concept of holding a balance of power is appealing, but it is also a lottery with no guarantees. Taking our grievances to an established, proven team is by far the safest, strongest option.

Without in any way knocking any achievements by Ron Boswell or any other politician of any Party how can someone supposedly running for election on behalf of any group say it's more important to have one of the majors in.
This is absolute garbage it doesn't matter which party has a good rep, (and they all do) their hands are tied when it comes to party policy and they will do as they are told when a deal is done.
If you don't think it is better to have a rep in the parliamentry system to negotiate deals there individually, I agree with Hunta you should just lobby for them and let someone who is serious about representing Fishers on the floor of the house, otherwise you are surely just a stooge for in this case the Nationals.
Will now certainly be talking to the AFLP to see if they need help with htv cards locally.
Thanks for clearing that up