Land Rover v's Nissan he he he he

[bugman]

There's no bias in this review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qToSG...elated&search=

[Lucky_Phill]

In other words, they are both OK !!!!!

I have always said, the driver makes a good 4WD.

I did note that the motor is now a Ford ?????? what's doing there ????


Bias......... nah !!!!

Phill

[spinyeel]

This is my fishin buggy.Cost $800 and a carton of beer.

[landyman]

I didn't note any bias at all..

the only thing going for the Nissan is reliabilty which is questionable - just ask any 3.0td owner ...

there is no doubt the LR has more offroad capability OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR than the Nissan.. but once you start modifying.. well, then it is whoever has the most money really

Land Rover continues to be the vehicle of choice for military (including Australian) around the world.. but I am not bias.. I drive a Hilux (even though I am landyman)

[Sandman]

Do you still have yours Bret ?

[BenDover]

Ha Ha Ha, pomie wankers. Funny... In standard form most 4bies are pretty shit anyway. But I have never seen any disco's/ landy's do any good on extreme runs. Like all pomie cars they should stay in england.

[BenDover]

We should have a vote!! Best what ever on each 4x4.

Front suspension set up ...(80 series cruiser)
Rear suspension set up ...(gu patrol)
Diff centres and lsd's ...(gu patrol)
axles and cv's ...(gu patrol)
Most Power out of all 4x4's ...(cruiser)
Least amount of rust ...(im not sure Maybe the disco's)
Strongest chassis ...(cruiser)

[landyman]

Ha Ha Ha, pomie wankers. Funny... In standard form most 4bies are pretty shit anyway. But I have never seen any disco's/ landy's do any good on extreme runs. Like all pomie cars they should stay in england.

What about all the Range Rovers that have won the Outback Challenge, Malaysian Rainforest Challenge and various other HARDCORE winch challenge events..

[landyman]

We should have a vote!! Best what ever on each 4x4.

Front suspension set up ...(80 series cruiser) -you kidding right - that would be Range Rover
Rear suspension set up ...(gu patrol) - you kidding right - that would be Range Rover
Diff centres and lsd's ...(gu patrol) yep - no doubt
axles and cv's ...(gu patrol) yep no doubt
Most Power out of all 4x4's ...(cruiser) actual HP would be the supercharged Range Rover
Least amount of rust ...(im not sure Maybe the disco's) yep
Strongest chassis ...(cruiser) questionable.. seen a few cracked ones

those are my feelings anyway

[CHRIS aka GWH]

there's no bias in this reply

In other words, they are both OK !!!!!

I have always said, the driver makes a good 4WD.

I did note that the motor is now a Ford ?????? what's doing there ????


Bias......... nah !!!!

Phill

"I have always said, the driver makes a good 4WD."
fair point - a good offroad driver can take a 2wd most places - but a good offraod vehicle can forgive a an inexperienced driver.

That clip shows very little of the 2007 landrover trials at Eastnor castle - at one stage a 4wd mag journo is taken into the bog and told to change into 3rd when the revs are dropping - the antistall rev compensator thingo on the landy and the fact that its maximum torque is at low revs pulled it out.

Is offroad prowess simply power and speed as many advocate and demonstate in a dangerous fashion on our beaches or is it in fact well designed engine torque and gear ratio suited to the soft stuff....

I will take a photo diary of all boggings on straddie at the september holidays i witness !!

ps BRETT - I intend to have one of the 2007 defenders before the end of the year - landrover are supposed to have them in oz by october - they have started changing their website already - there has been no criticism of the peugot (ford owned) designed diesel after almost 12 months - its been in the Transits for some time now and has had an offroad overhaul with regards to internal seals etc - she's a reliable donk from all reports

[BenDover]

The rain forest challenge trucks etc. are no longer anything but the cab. They have custom and modified everything... I can see you are a 1 sided about land rovers. All my years of racing my 4x4s in events. They are just the results me and alot of other competitors have come up with. Each have their good points. But no 1 ESPECIALLY landrover have them all.

Those items on the list are of standard form trucks.
I bet you cant even tell me the difference in suspensions between those 3? and why 1 is better than the other?

[BenDover]

NEW "OFFICIAL " RESULTS...
After making a few calls here it is... incase any1 is interested to know

BEST...
FRONT SUSPENSION SET UP.... 80 SERIES LANDCRUISER
REAR SUSPENSION SET UP.... GU PATROL
DIFF CENTRES AND LSD'S.... GU PATROL
AXLES AND CV'S.... GU PATROL
MOST POWER IN STANDARD FORM... SUPERCHARGED LANDROVER (wins against toyota's twin turbo by 55 kw)
LEAST AMOUNT OF RUST.... LANDROVER
STRONGEST CHASSIS.... GU PATROL (they have upgraded from gu and on to thicker gauge chassis! beating landcruisers long standing record)

[finga]

At least Landy's are easy to fix.
This is how we got ours and how it ended up after a cartoon of beer and a bottle of Turtle Wax.

[landyman]

The rain forest challenge trucks etc. are no longer anything but the cab. They have custom and modified everything... I can see you are a 1 sided about land rovers. All my years of racing my 4x4s in events. They are just the results me and alot of other competitors have come up with. Each have their good points. But no 1 ESPECIALLY landrover have them all.

Those items on the list are of standard form trucks.
I bet you cant even tell me the difference in suspensions between those 3? and why 1 is better than the other?

Most comp Rangies still run Rover engines (4.6l), rover axles (replacement cw&p, cvs and axles), stock chassis, standardish suspension.. usually only 2" body and 2" susp. lift..

I am not that one sided about Land Rovers.. yes I have owned many including a very high spec Rangie.. but I know own a Hilux - and love it for what it is..

As for the suspension differences.. for one I do know that the LR 3 link rear (2 trailing arms and a-frame) is the best in the business (for stock) - the anti-squat characteristics of that system is copied by many crawler buggies and even retro fitted to many comp Hilux's.. the lack of panhard (as found on other Jap 4wd's) helps the rear axle articulate far better than any panhard setup.. as well as the fact the upper and lower links are almost parrallel (preferred) from the factory and the upper balljoint offers almost 180 degrees of movement with no links attached

the front also being 3 link (radius arms and panhard) is very good due to the link location (underside) and long length of radius arms.. although the front is nowhere near as good as the rear.. it can be greatly improved by simply fitting "holy bushes" from Sam Overton (haultech) compared to the expense of new arms (3rds etc), castor/drop plates etc..


my hands are sore from typing but I hope you "catch my drift" and realise I am no one eyed LR biased idiot :wink:

[Brett1907]

I just love that they review these new 4WD's on tracks easier than me and my old man have taken an AP5 Valiant on the Variety Bash.

I wouldn't even put the 'Lux into 4WD let alone use the diff locks in those puddles!

The thing I don't like about the Defenders is the seating position, it has been so uncomfortable and having the B Pillar beside the front seats also reduces visibilty.

Go the Toyota's!!!!

Brett