The Fishing Party Mounts Challenge Against AFLP Registration

[kc]

Sorry I have been off line for a couple of days. Other committments. Yep! Have a job too and just back from a same day 14 hour round trip (drive) to Cairns...whew!

From our perspective....and I accept this is open to "interpretation".

As at, and subject to, the AGM on Saturday (another drive to Cairns) TFPQ will become AFLP at both state and federal level.

This will be a new party, completely seperate from TFP and a minute of meeting will confirm this to ECQ and (if required)AEC.

All members will be advised in writting of the AGM's outcome and will have a clear choice.

Given a member can not be a member of 2 seperate parties it will be one or the other ...not both, they can choose to be a member of TFP NSW....
as at this stage there is not a registered TFP Federally..or be a member of AFLP.

"Our" members have been identified as "our" members by both the ECQ and AEC.
Having seperate bank accounts & seperate ABN's plus TFPQ on membership forms helps us establish a clear identity.

This is our position. End of story. Any set of counter opinions can be held, but, at this stage, AFLP is registered and TFP is not.....

We have no interest in the business of TFP in NSW or elsewhere.

We are just happy to get on with our mission and want the divorce over and done with.

This is like a drawn out custody battle over who gets the dinner set and the dog after court has already decided who gets the house.

Any member, Shane included, who does not want us to go in this direction can vote against it on Saturday, however, given the amount of support we have been getting, both verbally and by proxy, the support appears overwhelming.

After Saturday members can then vote with there feet if they do not like the decision. Pretty easy really.

There is scope, within the constitution to reject or cancell a membership but this is not somewhere we are interested in going.

Amazingly complex and nit picky when all we really want to do is just get on with things.

We are changing our name, we are changing our identity, we are completely disassociating ourselves from the NSW based Fishing Party and Bob, we have undertaken the variuos steps required to do this and the AEC has accepted our application and registered us...on Saturday members will vote to accept, or reject this process......the variuos authorities, including the tax office and banks will then be advised..........how much more do we need to do??

One thing all this carry on has done...it has got members and fringe/maybe members interested...which is not a bad thing. We are fighting for the Bay, but also "our" party and it's been gratifying to get the support we have got and the many PM's have kept us motivated to fight the good fight.

Thanks guys.

Kev

[Chris Ryan]

That clears up things KC, thanks for posting that mate.

[Hunta]

Thanks KC for clearing all that up, so I guess the question for Shane still stands; Which party are you supporting? It is now very clear that a choice has to be made. You cant sit on the fence with a foot in each camp. From what I have read seems to me you have already made yours or will you be performing a Beatie backflip sometime soon?

[Shane Boese]

Just helping us novices in things political to understand where you stand in all this Shane, assuming your intention to run as an Independant (as outlined in a previous thread a few weeks ago) is still your plans and the AFLP (a federally registered party) becoming a seperate entity to the TFP, which party will you be aligned and a member of?

After researching this, Members will be required to chose one way or the other as they, like all policial parties big and small, do not allow members to be registered with other political parties as per their stated constitutions.

So will it be TFP or AFLP?

Cheers.

This is a choice I have been avoiding making as my interest in politics was started with KC and the TFPQ. However, it is no secret that KC and I clash and are both as stubborn as each other. If Wayne were to take over the Chairmanship of the Party, then I would find it much easier to make my decision.

Of the political parties that have shown an interest in, and approached me in relation to an alliance for the Federal Election, the AFLP has not been one of them, but the TFP have, as have Family First and also one of the Major Parties.

I am still reluctant to hang my hat with anyone at this moment, particularly with the registration of the TFP still in the balance, and the official separation of the AFLP still being incomplete. Reading KC's post regarding cancellation of memberships, I cant help but see the implication that AFLP is looking to make the decision for me.

That being the case, if I have to make a choice between AFLP and TFP, I must admit my most practical choice at the moment tends towards the TFP as my only option to support the Fishing Vote.

Regards,
Shane Boese

[Dicko]

I'm a bit lost here. Isn't the normal inhouse process that the relevant party selects their candidates ? or is it now the other way around ?

[Shane Boese]

I'm a bit lost here. Isn't the normal inhouse process that the relevant party selects their candidates ? or is it now the other way around ?

The question was which party I would choose if forced to choose between AFLP and TFP. Which I have attempted to answer as clearly and honestly as possible. Dicko, you seem to have gone off at a tangent on a completely different issue.

Regards,
Shane Boese

[Derek Bullock]

This is more fun than watching "The Bill" on TV.

[FNQCairns]

For gods sake Shane don't go with family first they were the ones the fed gov sucked up to and chose to repay by FORCING women who want an abortion to first be counseled by a CATHOLIC oranisation. Way too cretinous, both of these partys.

IMO watching from the publics point of view there is no face in politics, come toward the shining light whats the worst that can happen?

cheers fnq

[Hunta]

Of the political parties that have shown an interest in, and approached me in relation to an alliance for the Federal Election, the AFLP has not been one of them, but the TFP have, as have Family First and also one of the Major Parties.

Regards,
Shane Boese

I take it that by "Alliance" you mean preference swap? Because alliance couldnt possibly mean representation i.e. YOU being their candidate, because as I understand it the "major parties" have already preselected their candidates many months ago. I also understand that it is quite normal for parties to court the preferences of losing candidates or rather candidates whom they assume they will outpoll , part of a normal democratic society.

This is more fun than watching "The Bill" on TV.

Not wrong Derek

[Dicko]

Not really off on a tangent, just trying to gain facts to make an informed appraisal of the situation, (which you also happened to point out is a wise thing to do a few posts ago).

I cant help but see the implication that AFLP is looking to make the decision for me.

I don't see that the "future" AFLP is making a decision for you at all.

As looks to be the case, when ratified you will make your own choice which party you wish belong to. That party, under it's process, will then select candidates.

By all accounts you, yourself having more inside knowledge than us, chose to align yourself with the Bob Smith NSW and Federal Fishing Party some time ago.

I can understand how you say you don't get along with kc, these things happen. ( kc by the way, is the chairman of an organisation operating under an accountable constitution, who can be voted out and replaced by Donald Duck, if the membership chooses),

Yet you openly defend an organisation that has "several" constitutions about the place, including one of which shows Bob Smith as being Chairman for Life.

I sure hope, you get along with Bob, life can be a fair while.

[luigi]

This is more fun than watching "The Bill" on TV.

Nah Derek, its more fun watching paint dry.

I reckon Shane's procrastinations are a real pain. After all, who cares which party this bloke ends up in? I couldn't give a toss myself

Lets get behind the AFLP & scare buggery out of the major parties & the greens.

Cheers - Lou

[Shane Boese]

Well guys

Its been an interesting debate which has opened up a couple of issues that may not have surfaced otherwise. I've had a lot of fun trying to be politically correct (and failing at times), but who cares, I am just a blue collar worker and a fisherman too - trying to protect the lifestyle of my family and friends.

Good Luck KC on your Senate Campaign

Please dont take offence at my lack of activity on Ausfish over the next few weeks, but I have a campaign of my own to put together.

Regards,
Shane Boese

[Derek Bullock]

Well guys

Its been an interesting debate which has opened up a couple of issues that may not have surfaced otherwise. I've had a lot of fun trying to be politically correct (and failing at times), but who cares, I am just a blue collar worker and a fisherman too - trying to protect the lifestyle of my family and friends.

Good Luck KC on your Senate Campaign

Please dont take offence at my lack of activity on Ausfish over the next few weeks, but I have a campaign of my own to put together.

Regards,
Shane Boese

I can't help but think that if you had just been youself, answered the questions and stopped the political correct bulls**t we might have had a better understanding of what you were on about.

[PinHead]

well Shane...I always thought an Independent was exactly that..Independent of others yet you are deciding which political party to be a member of..hardly Independent.

You made out when standing for State election that your aim was to protect the Bay for all concerned but from your posts you are now running for yourself and your family...I have had reservations previously but you now confirmed it...so the people in the electorate you are standing in would not be voting for someone that cares about their needs but only your own...hardly a good start to a campaign. Good luck with it.

[PinHead]

This is more fun than watching "The Bill" on TV.

LOL..or maybe Yes Minister (but in a rather amateur way)