Jigging Rods Runner Q

[B_E_N]

hey after seeing more and more everytime i go to the tackle store i wonder what the benifit of having the stripper guide on backwards on bigger spinning and jiggin rods can anyone give me an insight as to why this is?

[daledog]

when the guides are turned around there is less resistance for the line as its casted out because its only 'slapping' against 1 leg of the guide instead of 2. Ive seen one of them high speed clips of line coming off a threadline and it comes off in massive loops 5 or 6 times the size of the stripper guide and in some instances actually flicks up past it on the outside before being constricted and running through the guide. So when there is the 2 arms coming off the guide there is more resistance the line is hitting before being shot through the guide, slowing it down/reducing your casting distance. There may be a different reason as to why they do it on jigging rods, but for casting I can see why its done.
Anyone with info as to why its done on jig rods too? Im curious now also!!

[tunaticer]

IMO if there is that much lineslap on the guide legs then there is something seriously amiss with the design of the rod. If you get lineslap on the guide leg you will have abominable line slap on the rod itself. A well constructed rod with the correct guide sizes and spacing and the correct reel will overcome any lineslap problems.

This is most likely another gimmicky thing to do to create a "niche" market with whatever hype that comes along to promote it. Beware of all sales pitches as they are all based on talking you into parting with your money.

Jack.

[wheezer]

sounds a bit like a spiral wrap on a light baitcaster......

[DR]

This is most likely another gimmicky thing to do to create a "niche" market with whatever hype that comes along to promote it. Beware of all sales pitches as they are all based on talking you into parting with your money.

Jack.

i tend agree with you on this. This was a popular thing years ago with the same theories put forward. it was to stop the line from catching & throwing lure/metal slugs somewhere into the ether. our 'research' found that it usually was a loop of loose line catching on an untidy knot tag on the leader, it then pulled a large loop up through the guides which caused the breakoff when all came tight, a bit like the old fashioned way of breaking string by looping on itself & snapping, it breaks so easy..it usually ended up looking loike it was caused by wrapping around the guide feet, probably was on some occasions but majority were the former..

[finga]

I was having this conversation with a bloke just yesterday and my theory (as I see it) is if the line is slapping on the guide feet then there's got to be some serious line slap on the blank.
Looking at a physics point of view there has to be some serious angles for the line to get to to physically touch the guide feet.
I'll do another picture eh
If the blue is the rod and the yellow is the guidefeet and the green is the guide eye and the red is some line then the line has to do some slapping to even reach the guide foot/feet. And that's in a straight line.
I'm sure the line isn't going to be straight whilst casting so the act of whacking the feet has to be harder to do. Wouldn't it??
If this isn't the case can someone explain why not??
I'd love to have my theory blown up as I'm just learning and sometimes something that is bleeding obvious isn't always so
Cheers then

[B_E_N]

after a little think i really doubt its line slapping because one, of the quality of these jap jiggin rods and their guide size and placement. it may happen with larger dia line feed i.e from alveys and sidecasts but i very much doubt a spinning reel would be capable of this. maybe its for strength because the angle the line makes from the stripper to the reel is far greater than any others on the rod which will mean more stress/heavier load. now when jiggin heaps of weight is put on these rods and when a fish of decent size whacks ya i have no doubt it could do damage to poorlymade stuff. i think this is leads to why they change in round in the first place becuase when that fish takes line the angle and weight is pulling that guide forward. i think when fishing like this winding the fish back in will put less weight on that stripper guide because most sensible people pump and wind. anyways just my thinking behind it all seeing as it is the only guide to be done like that and it makes sense to me to spin it round with the loads that it may carry.

[rockfisho]

have a look in the rodbuilding section, there is a recent thread, all about guide placement. It's worth a read.

[HST]

with Jap style jig rods been used world wide they are quite short ,so you dont have much room to play with guide placement ,when casting 300 gram jigs short distance you come up with the same problem as you do when doing a full blown cast with a larger rod ,the line struggles to get thru the striper ,reversing the striper solves 95 % of this with braid ,

[banshee]

with Jap style jig rods been used world wide they are quite short ,so you dont have much room to play with guide placement ,when casting 300 gram jigs short distance you come up with the same problem as you do when doing a full blown cast with a larger rod ,the line struggles to get thru the striper ,reversing the striper solves 95 % of this with braid ,

Yep that's the way I see it,wack a big Stella/Saltiga on a rod not much longer than 5' and you need everything working for you to get the jig down quick,interestingly I've only seen the reverse guide on the spin jigs not the overhead models.

[B_E_N]

doesnt need it then on the overhead models, line doesnt come off a circle spool instead straight out

[GPB]

This is a section of an artical by Hal Harvey from tests done by Fuji 6 years ago.

"They set up a couple of different rods and line types against a black background, to be filmed with a high-speed camera. A caster, using a separate rod, launched a weight that was also attached to the filmed rod's line, and the way the line flowed off the reel and through the guides was studied in slow motion.
But the really interesting bit was how the line flowed through, around, over and all about that first guide at the start of the cast. In some of the sequences there would have been half a metre of line on the far side of the stripping guide that had not yet passed through the guide! Even coming off a spinning reel, there was enough momentum in the line to throw bundles of line past the first guide, faster than it could be pulled through. Then, like cracking a whip, it threw an S-shape and overshot the guide on its way back down again, heading back towards the reel faster than it was going up through the guides. With more line still pouring up, a conflagration of line would seem to be an apt description. Throwing a tangle around that guide was entirely understandable, and if a shock leader was involved, the hinging and catch points provided by knots and different thicknesses of line would make it inevitable".

It was also stated that the 'Contrary Attachment' while a great help in casting rods was not needed in jigging rods, but certainly does no harm.