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Hi all, some things just play on my mind particularly because we are left to the mercies of the people who merchandise products within our stores. There are constant claims that one product is better than the other but are they really? A good example of this is the common toothbrush. They seem to be always coming up with ideas that supposedly make them better and then they can justify them to be much more expensive. Personally I don't buy the crap they spin that we have to also brush our tongues and cheeks. Now as for 2 stroke oils I know that there are people who are convinced that one brand is better than the other and they will not use any other brand other than the one they are using.How can they tell it is better? Does the motor run better? I doubt it would. For me I use a valvoline 2 stroke oil at the moment but next time there might be something else presenting itself to be better value so I will buy it. If there is someone out there who actually knows there is a brand out there that is better and can prove it with scientific fact feel free to convert me.
I find the Oral B cross action toothbrushes to be much better than the standard straight bristle ones, teeth feel much cleaner and takes less effort to clean Dunno about the cleaning tongue and cheeks though, I will try it out and let you know...
As for oils, I do believe there is a difference, such as less smokey etc. Although I don't believe that quality necessarily corresponds with price. But as for scientific evidence, I'll have to leave that for someone else with more time to come up with.
Being a Tojo owner, they recommend Valvoline, which is available at Big W etc, so is pretty cheap to buy comparatively.
I've never had a problem using it, frankly would't buy a different oil, if it aint broke don't fix it.
Potential damage using a cheaper oil would far outweigh any savings in oil prices, IMHO.
Having said the above, if it conforms to the appropriate specification (TCW3 I think) any oil should do the job. But I admit to being superstitious.............
Cheers.
The majors blend to their own TCW3 formulations with the only real difference being the quality of the additives. Valvoline make their own but many other smaller brands are rebrands of the majors products.
I'm with NigelR, if it's to tcw3 spec I'll use it.
I have found that mixing oils in a 2 stroke is not a great idea, as some oils when added together go all sh!tty, so if you have a premix motor, it probably does not make all that much difference, but if you have an oil injected model (with an oil tank) then try to stick with the same brand, and if you have a newer HPDI like an etec or opti or whatever, then far better to use the makers recomended, for the amount of oil you use, why skimp a few dollars at the risk of some sort of drama! especially when you consider how much your motor cost to buy, a couple of extra running dollars is not worth the possible troubles.
TCW3 is a pretty crudy oil spec anyway due to the political reasons the spec was introduced, so a person has a case in trying to protect their expensive motor with one that does not simply meet this min spec, some exceed it, some meet it.
More important would be proping the engine well as that will kill it faster than an oil that simply meets the specification, given all other parameters are within spec and stay in spec throughout service.
There is a tcw4 on the horizon to sort the wheat from the chaff, with luck, as long as it is not political dumbed down another layer yet again, don't think it will be, no room to spec lower in a 2st engine oil.
Do some searches of google for anything to do with drag racing outboard engines and other high end race engines and read up on what those fella's recommend, many times in racing the oil that is plastered on the shell of the racer is in no way actually used internally, these guys are serious.
IMO stick with a manufacturer's oil bottle at the very least, it may not be the best but odds on it will not be the worst either.
Yeah Noelm I happen to use the Yam oil, not because I would like to or for brand purposes as I have no brand/s anywhere in life I can defend based on the sticker, my 1st choice oil which is aftermarket is no longer sold in Australia since a big oil company bought the brand out.
I've used Valvoline as that was given to me when i got the boat & the mechanic said it was decent oil to use & the motor ran fine. Since then i have got a big 9L tub of Quicksilver oil & have put about 9 tanks of fuel thru the motor & have found that it runs alot smoother & seams to make power alot easlier.. Not to sure that because i'm using mercury made oil in my merc or if it's my head but i'm happier now to use a dearer oil..
I think there is a difference, especially i9n the smokeyness of them, I find that the American oils are better like the Quicksilver range, but even there, two choices are available and the more exy one is the better choice as smokes less.
I'm several years out of the biz so things may have changed but when I was blending oil products, yamaha outboard bottles were filled out of the same tank as I made the caltex somo in.
that will be because the Valvoline oil will JUST meet the TCW3 rating, whereas the "proper" oil will far exceed it and make less smoke and carbon and your motor will run better.
Gotta agree with nolem, I wouldn't call of my boating holiday because all I could buy was V but I wouldn't use it any longer than I found a manufacturers brand.
Straddie, wonder when that changed or if it did? yamaha had problems here with their 3 ring engines due to carbon. I personally believe Caltex makes some good oil's although with no one looking after us they dont need to bother with better than min spec tcw3, My Yamalube bottles have no 'made in' or 'product of' information.
Pretty sure today all the Yam oil is made in the good ol, at least the certification company believes it is.
But any certified oil is allowed to change formula/blenders etc under certain circumstance without a recirt, if they they can back up the reason if called on, and that is not hard to do considering the sellers pay the same company for the cirt as would investigate and continue to pay an anual fee, don't bite the hand that feeds you is the old saying, never truer than today.
I worked for an oil company a long time ago - but not in the oils/ technical field.
Avoiding mixing brands - seems good advice though mostly they will mix together ok.
Synthetic oils have some proven benfits in my car. ...
ETEC 'c can be set up for Xd100 - and have a 1:100 oil ratio. That means even lower emissions and probably much better lubrication. Its cosst a lot more per bottle - but less per hour running.
it would be good when others catch up to this idea of better oils and higher mix ratios.
I was wondering about all of this because when I bought my boat the previous owner give me the oil he had left. The motor was not smokey and run well, since than I have been using an oil I buy from they local servo (Caltex) and the motor has been smokey. Can anyone tell me which oil Johnson reccomend ? My motor is a johno 25hp
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Now as for 2 stroke oils I know that there are people who are convinced that one brand is better than the other and they will not use any other brand other than the one they are using.How can they tell it is better? Does the motor run better? I doubt it would. For me I use a valvoline 2 stroke oil at the moment but next time there might be something else presenting itself to be better value so I will buy it. If there is someone out there who actually knows there is a brand out there that is better and can prove it with scientific fact feel free to convert me.
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Dunno about the cleaning tongue and cheeks though, I will try it out and let you know...
