Ron for what you want it for, absolutly not!
Wouldn't consider a carb traditional 2 st. There are people with rubber stamps in Goverment just itching to take some more basic movement away, they will be banned on freshwater impoundments sooner or later, the zelot's rule, be proactive and go with a sky is falling 4st or DI 2st.
cheers fnq
What type of impoundment fishing? I'd go carby 2st and get a bow mount electric and 2 deep cycle battries. Set up with a proper charging system you should not run out 12volt power even if you troll all day. Make sure you wire in a 240 volt charging to refresh over night or set up so your tow veichle can charge the boat battries to and from the boat ramp. If your in QLD I would not worry about a ban on 2st for a while yet.
We really like this boat, they are custom made, dealer who is selling only deals in Yamahas.Originally Posted by FNQCairns
F115 whilst way more exy, wont have the guts for pulling skiers up, and too heavy. HPDI dont start till 150hp
(thought better add this in before all the 4 banger fans get up me, the F115 is a good economic engine just doesnt suit me)
Thought about buying hull from him and getting motor from elsewhere, or get him to buy motor from elsewhere but thats surely gotta be way exy option.
Ron
Last edited by Ron173; 15-07-2007 at 08:37 AM.
Ron - it's your boat, dont let the dealer dictate what engine you put on it. You should not pay more getting a donk somewhere else but it depends where this guy is making the majority of margin in the BMT package.
Should only be around 500-600 to fit and rig the outboard and you would be paying that anyway.
Cheers
Greg
ps once you go with a new hi-tech donk you wont go back
Greg,Ron - it's your boat, dont let the dealer dictate what engine you put on it. You should not pay more getting a donk somewhere else but it depends where this guy is making the majority of margin in the BMT package.
Should only be around 500-600 to fit and rig the outboard and you would be paying that anyway.
Cheers
Greg
ps once you go with a new hi-tech donk you wont go back
I know hi techs are good, had an etec, what I mean is if dealer A is to buy an engine from dealer B, the cost of that engine from dealer B is going to be pretty much list.
Might look into it further
Ron
Given this heaps of thought, and lots of discussion with family and friends.
Were pretty set to go the big stroker, and my reasoning is thus:-
The difference in purchase cost of DI or 4 stroke, IMO in fuel saving, is not recoverable in the life of the engine, when you add the cost of servicing, oil, filters etc. (Bearing in mind its the DIFFERENCE as DI or 4 stroke your still puttin fuel in)
I know I will have 2 stroke oil to factor in but its not as exy as some would have it, and no filter and no valve clearances and no belts, or exy services.
(mates F100 initial service at 20hrs $325! and it has an issue and is chewing belts, on 3rd one now, albeit warranty)
Yes it will be a bit smellier, but even new basic 2 strokes nowadays with oil injection back off to 200:1 at idle, so technology still helping there.
The ban issues.... yes will always be a worry, but could spend heaps n get DI and some councilor says we are banning ALL 2 strokes regardless, and youd never get it thru to them.
Worse still you could go 4 stroke thinking safe, then they ban all outboards except electrics on water supply impoundments.
Not to mention the instant power we need for skiing.
I have no issue with 4 strokes, they have their place, big big HP, trolling, high useage, just not fitting our useage.
So make hay while sun shines, if they bring in bans we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
The boating fraternity where I am is big and its all on local impoundments, would be a big outcry if bans came in.
Thanks for everyones input, the votes still rolling in, and the yes is still well in front.
Rgds
Ron
Hey Ron, if you did choose a 4st there should be no problem skiing with it, simply prop it down to suit and it will do it easily.
IMO it will not be long before selected impoundments start to ban the public with traditional 2 st engines, it's too easy a mark for them for them not to, if history is anything to go by and unusually they will have at least a small case of truth to back up their regulation this time.
I was faced not too long ago with the identical choice, I wanted to have an engine that the regulators could not use as an excuse to ban my family from nearby impoundments but do not fully trust the new technology over the life of the engine as it relates to cost of ownership in total.
Chose a secondhand 2st as it will have by far the lowest cost of ownership over 10/15 years of any other choice new or used, my second choice was a Suzuki 4st 90/115. Based mainly on the timing chain and warrenty advantage it had over the Yamaha, also a little on the Yammi making oil reports I continue to hear over the years.
So I guess there is nothing a person cannot do in a 4st of the same hp as the 2 st but a person must accommodate it with a prop that will allow the relative lack of performance to be tuned toward the chosen application.
cheers fnq
Last edited by FNQCairns; 15-07-2007 at 09:21 PM.
Hi Ron,
The whole problem here is that you are after a BMT package deal and the dealer basically has you by the b@lls by only offering 1 brand of motor.
Cant you buy the boat elsewhere or do as Greg P says and wrangle something to put on your motor of choice rather than all he has on offer?
good luck with it anyway.
Regards Scott
It really depends on the reason for your choice,
my 2 stroke carb feed 115 is only 18months old, but i'll be trading it for a new one before she's out of warranty.
It really depends what you do with it, my decision was based on bar crossings.
My mechanic mate advised me the carb feed 2strokes had more immediate reaction when you asked it the question...as in a hectic crossing.
She hasn't let me down yet.
Muzz
So why would you be trading it then, and what type are you replacing it with?
Rgds
Ron
Ron, You can bet your bottom dollar that carby 2-strokes and maybe all outboards will be banned from impoundments in the future. Many impoundments already do ban petrol motors. You'd be mad to buy a noisy carby 2 stroke for your use. Get a DI or a 4 stroke for sure.
Would be nice, etec 6k more, minister of finance putting limits on things.
Yes, just recently purchased a 25hp Yamaha, the four strokes were too heavy, and cost too much, the resale value wasn't comparable, and the fuel savings wasn't either.
If I was going bigger than a 30 I would definately look at the 4 strokes.
Also if it was for fishing fresh water I would also definately for 4 strokes.
Last edited by mini696; 16-07-2007 at 01:53 PM.
I voted yes Ron. But it depends on how you look at things.
Financially, there is a crossover point where you do enough hours per year to make the fuel/oil savings pay for the initial purchase difference plus the interest on that amount plus the slight increase in servicing costs. If you do less hours then it's not worth it.
The other way to look at it is pollution. Conventional 2s engines are not real efficient things and they do pollute a whole heap more than the newer technologies. If you wanted to be more responsible to the environment and were willing to pay for it then the newer technology is the go.
It's like having a finance devil on one shoulder whispering in your ear and an environmentalist devil on the other.
PS. I've got a 2s carby 135 V6 that will probably be replaced by a newer technology motor if it ever dies and not before either. And no, I don't do enough hours to justify it either.
Maybe if we were to buy DI 2strokes or 4 strokes we could justify to our respective ministers of war & finance that the only financially responsible thing to do is go fishing more often................
No dear, I didn't think so either........
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