If that is so go the Honda 4st. Resale will be higher/quicker, fourstrokes are becoming very sort after.Originally Posted by mjbpjk
my 2c
Jim
If that is so go the Honda 4st. Resale will be higher/quicker, fourstrokes are becoming very sort after.
my 2c
Jim
My last boat was a Stacer 440 Seahorse. It was powered by a 40 2 stroke Mercury (Tohatsu) lite. It was a really good match for the boat, and not at all heavy on fuel. If the 50 2 stroke is the 1 litre American motor, it will be heavy on fuel. A mate had one fitted to a Hornet and he was always complaining about it. A few boats earlier I had a 40 2 stroke American and it was also heavy on fuel.
The downside to the Merchatsu was that it was manual start and trim, with side gearshift, but didn't lack power even with 3 in the boat. The hull helped with this, it has big reversed chines at the rear (EVO hull) and planed very easily.
If you've got the option of a 50, go for it. The hull can easily handle the power and the boat is very directionally stable. (It goes exactly where you point it instantly) A four stroke would be the go if your price is right. If you have a gear shift on the tiller handle along with trim and tilt button, you will be happier. The hull really needs the advantages of power trim so you can trim it in for holeshot and right out for WOT.
As for choice, another issue to consider is the cost of servicing. What is the service cost of each motor? What is the service interval after the first 100 hours?
Both motors will give you good service and economical running. From memory the Merc is fuel injected. Not sure about the Honda. A five year warranty is hard to go past too. It might get down to which one you think looks the best on the boat.
Its good to here the 40 went well on the 440. the 50 should go good on the 449 then. im getting a console fitted and the motor will have power tirm/tilt which hopefull should be good.If you've got the option of a 50, go for it. The hull can easily handle the power and the boat is very directionally stable. (It goes exactly where you point it instantly) A four stroke would be the go if your price is right. If you have a gear shift on the tiller handle along with trim and tilt button, you will be happier. The hull really needs the advantages of power trim so you can trim it in for holeshot and right out for WOT.
As for choice, another issue to consider is the cost of servicing. What is the service cost of each motor? What is the service interval after the first 100 hours?
Both motors will give you good service and economical running. From memory the Merc is fuel injected. Not sure about the Honda. A five year warranty is hard to go past too. It might get down to which one you think looks the best on the boat.
Im told 2st service costs are $120 and the 4st the same + oil and filter.
no idea what that would cost though
How do you find the evo hull?
if i put the console on the side do you think the boat will lean?
and how stable is the boat at rest.
Thanks
cheers Pete
I have a 40 2st merc and it is an awesome motor easy start and pleanty of grunt on my 4.3 tinne
I would definitely go the 4st. Having recently brought our first 4st (75 Honda) after having previously owned 2st Suzuki,Evinrude,Mercury,Chrysler the fuel efficiency and quiteness of the 4st is noticeable. The Honda would be my pick with the 19kg weight advantage and the 5 year warranty.
Its probably worthwhile mentioning that Honda still have some major internal corrosion issues. Thats probably been the impetus for the 5yr warranty.
Cylinder heads and particularly engine blocks have had issues now for about 5yrs and they haven't rectified it yet as far as I am aware.
I personally would pass on the Honda.
Bm , not with the 50's.
Ta
Ive got a 50 Honda on a 455 Seajay Haven Sport with side console etc. I love it, fuel economy is excellent and its as quiet as. Mine is only about 5 months old and has had its first service with no problems at all.
As far as corrison goes I researched as much as I could before buying mine and have not heard anything about them getting corrision, every one I have talked to said they are a tried and proven motor.
I have averaged about 100km each trip and the motor does not miss a beat.
The other boat I looked at was the Stacer 449 nomad elite with a 50 hp Merc 2st. The stacer is a great boat but due to the dealership were I am I went elsewere and got the package I have now with the honda and a 5 yr warranty for only $500 more.
Bin455
Hi pete i did this exercise recently and ended up with a 60 yammie 4st. I have had it 3 weeks and put 25 hrs on it. I dont know about the 2 st but the new generation of 50/60 four stokes are unreal, here is some REAL WORLD data for you remember i have no conection with any company & I dont care what YOU buy, But i wish some one could have helped me in the decideing process.
the Boat is an old Mid 70s F/g halfcab 4.8m (and it is HEAVY) with the standard prop it will pull hard to the rev limiter with two adults (100kgs plus each .... i like choclate OK) & all our fishing gear a 200 liter esky with 45kg of ice 75 lts of fuel and camping gear for 2 days. top speed 55kph (canopy up) the worst fuel economy i have gotten is 75kms out of one tote tank (25lts) and that was at 35kms in a 1.2 sea with a load. best fuel economy is an unbelieveable 96.7kms on a tote that was at 4200rpm @ 33kph in creek conditions I didnt believe it at first so I did it again with the same result simply unbelieveable. it's quite real quite (i think the honda may be better there unreal) it has a ton of mid range punch at 3500 if you floor it you need to hold something & it is like that all the way to the limiter. the best thing was the dealer took me for a prop test when the engine was fitted INSIST ON THIS as this is where you will get the most bang for your buck performance wise on this size engine no matter what brand. we tried three props and i settled on the standard prop becase it suited my style of use. (33kph @ 4200 RPM = good fuel & engine life) the follow up by yamaha & the dealer after i got the motor has been great i have been contacted twice (in 3weeks) to make sure I'm happy............ Big smiles for BigE
Cheers best of luck with your purchase
BigE
this will go on forever, not too sure why these sorts of things get started anymore, it is like asking someone if they prefer Chocolate or Banana Paddle Pops, then going out and buying Banana 'cause that's what most people liked!! another 4 stroke V 2 stroke, cat V mono, merc V yamaha, Holden V Ford there IS NO ANSWER! it will go on forever! (HHMM like I just did)
Why only the three choices?
I have a 4.5 with a 50 4st on it. Cannot complain. Excellent performance and fuel economy fantastic and nice and quiet as well.
Sea Raider , pity all the choices aren't being digressed.
Think old mate has sales and service in his area for the 3 chosen...
Noelm , you talking to yourself again ?????
Ta
yep, maybe, I think I hear voices now!
Go the Honda 4 stk for all the reasons mentioned above, especially if your getting a 4stk for similar price as a 2stk
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