I think I am still confused!
I also now see the trailer has a rating of 3,200kg stamped on the plate. How does that relate?
I think I am still confused!
I also now see the trailer has a rating of 3,200kg stamped on the plate. How does that relate?
3,200kg stamped on the plate!
To relate this it should also state if this weight is GTM or ATM and based on what "type" of weight it refers then weigh it accordingly.
If it is 3200kg ATM then this is the max weight with the trailer and load sitting on the scales including jockey wheel (totally disconnected from vehicle).
If it is 3200kg GTM then this is weight of trailer and load sitting on the scales, axles only (towball down weight not included).
Regards, Kerry.
Last edited by Kerry; 29-05-2007 at 09:08 PM.
Understood. It is ATM. Thanks.Originally Posted by Kerry
In the regulations stated earlier the GTM is
GTM (Goss Trailer Mass) means the gross transmitted to the ground by the axles of a trailer loaded to its GVM and connected to the tow vehicle.
Altough confusing i think Kerry is correct.
FNQ I have not forgot about your axle question i just havent found it yet.(not as easy as the ATM & GTM.)
neil
Clearly dont get the two mixed up. Without seeing the plate i would dare say the 3200 is ATM.
Try, Transport Operations (Road use Management- Vehicle standards and safety) regulations 1999.Honky Dory, what definition of the regs would the scalies be weighing if they only weighed the trailer axle wheels in a forced inspection at the side of the road.
All these abstract regulatory definitions get pushed out of my head for important fishing and family stuff, remembering by relating to an action stays put for at least twice as long
cheers fnq
Part 1 section 5(1)(c)
(1)A person must not drive or park or permit to drive or park a vehcile on a road if:
(c) the vehicle is not constructed or loaded to comply with the vehcile standards.
its amazing what you can find when the kids have gone to bed
hope this helps
neil
FNQ,
A normal roadside operation will only be weighing the trailer axles anyway and perhaps the vehicle "as connected" if they get interested in GCM. The GTM (axle load only) will be generally enough to determine if the thing is overloaded based on ATM.
What you have to watch with some suspension systems is that it is impossible to determine GTM on some multi axle trailers with only one set of scales. If they try this you will go way over your actual weight.
Also the transport scalies actually have no official jurisdiction for vehicles/trailers under 4.5 tonne as this is a police responsibility. So the police have to invite the scalies to the party.
Regards, Kerry.
Thanks fella's for the replies, Kerry great info thanks, I suspect the roadside DOT inspectors can do the lower weight trailer inspections.
I have a 6.1 overall tinny on a single axle trailer but I am way under, just doesn't look like it, suspect they will check me sooner or later.
Thanks fnq
What gave you this impression.
In the transport act it states a Authorised Officer (Transport Inspector) can intercept/ stop private vehicles (under 4.5 tonne).
neil
Oh that's not an impression, you will get that answer from any of the transport scales people. When things like boat trailers get targetted weight wise there will always be traffic or water police present, the scalies are there by request only, not their own doing.
Regards, Kerry.
I'm not going to argue with you Kerry you said scalies have NO JURISDICTION on vehicles under 4.5 tonne on which you were wrong.
BUT yes the water police would invite/ request them to the boat trailer "party".
As I'm sure they have better things to do than weigh boats that are a little over weight.
neil
If you want to quote neil, then at least have the decency to quote the context and not be selective. There is nothing WRONG neil with what I previously said.
Also the transport scalies actually have no official jurisdiction for vehicles/trailers under 4.5 tonne as this is a police responsibility. So the police have to invite the scalies to the party.
Ok
i must be reading you sentence wrong.
I read it that Transport Inspectors/ scale people have NO authority to deal/ intercept vehciles/trailer under 4.5 tonne. thefore thats why the police invite them to the boat ramps to weigh your boat and trailers.
is this what you mean????
In simple terms it does go something like that.
So i revert you back to this.
I'm going to stop beating my head against the desk now. If you dont think Transport Inspectors have the Aurthority to pull you over this is up to you.
But if/when they do decide to intercept you (for what ever reason) and you dont stop expect a fine.
neil
Been doing a little light reading on the subject and although I still haven't found chapter and verse in the relevant legislation, did find a handbook on trailer towing on the QLD Transport website.
Seems that for the purposes of deciding whether you need brakes (750kg) or a breakaway system (2000kg), you use GTM, ie weight on the trailer wheels when hooked up. To decide whether your vehicle is legal to tow a trailer, you need to look at the ATM, ie unhitched. If you really want to be sure you are ok, check the GCM, ie the whole shebang, tow vehicle and trailer together.
As I say, can't quote you the relevant section numbers of the act, but hopefully QLD T'port have gotten it right in their handbook.
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