Tin Can Bay fishing

[Silent]

Hi ausfishers,

Going there next weekend to explore bit around Tin Can bay...
I will launch my boat to chase some estuary and of course muddies...

How is Teebah creek fishing later I'm keen to go there,
Any tip or warn for rock or shallow etc...

Thanks Silent

[Nowhere Bob]

Havn't been up Teebah for a while.
There are some really good undercut mangrove edges & deep holes with timber up Teebah. I havn't explored it as much as I'd like but you know how it is - so much water so few hours.

Was @ Kauri Ck a bit over than 3 weeks ago. Big schools of herring at the start of the run out @ junction of Kauri & 1 st creek towards south [I forget it's name].
We cast-netted up a doz or so and tried rockbars & holes up Kauri - not a sausage, but did see a Barra & a Threadfin cruise right past baits. Flicked SP's as well for 1 decent Flatty. A good thing we were not depending on catching dinner!

Still reports of muddies coming in, but has slowed pretty much since Easter. I'm not a big crabber [angry little B'stards] but the skipper is & he did all right recently.

Kauri, Teebah & Carlo Cks are all shallow as Paris Hilton. Many boats have been trapped in Carlo & Teebah by falling tides. The channel switches side to side all the time, so best to do your exploring on a rising tide.

[juju]

No No.....tin can bay flashbacks..........went up there in a houseboat several years ago...was a great trip !!!...25-30 knt se...rain....spent one hole day just sitting in the houseboat all shut up...caught no fish....had a break in the weather went up to towards teh resort, gut the anchor snagged, the house boat guy got the coastguard to come and "save" us...had to cut the rope....wind came up again...gave up were heading in...wind and current + lack of power on the houseboat...ended up on a sand bank on a dropping tied.....started pouring down again..........had to pay $60 extra for the lost anchor.......otherewise a great trip

[Silent]

Just got in my mind about boat ramp facility at Norman point...

Is there any water tap that allows wash boat & flush saltwater out of O/board?
How is Tin Can Bay's water restriction?

Thanks again

[robersl]

Silent are you going this weekend or the 18-20 th if the last weekend i will be at boonooroo or marroom or whateverits called for he weekend

shane

[Kleyny]

my dad has been up in that area for two weeks. (raindow waters camp ground)
he caught a good feed everyday, the bloke next to him got two big GTs straight in front of the camp site near the two white channel markers.

neil

[Wear the fox hat]

Best of luck trying to catch a fish or a crab.

The fish & crab pro's rape all of Tin Can Bay constantly & then hammer the hell out of it just before any public holidays so they can have some time off & thus leave nothing for anyone. They will even follow some of the local recreational fishers who sometimes get onto a good patch of whiting & then move in & wipe out the school. Hmmm, wonder why there's also no seagrass & dugongs left in the area.

Also, if you go to get your crab pots & can't find them, look up in the tops of the mangroves. If they have been thrown up there (sometimes slashed), there is a pro in the area & has taken offence to you setting pots in the area.

Note: To the uninitiated, the trawlers only work the outside waters. It's the guys in the little putt putt boats with a couple of boat loads of nets in tow that wreck the fish stocks. Not sure if beam trawlers still work further up Sandy Straits.

WTFH

[Nowhere Bob]

Wear the fox hat, you've made a couple of big claims that I'd like to see backed up with others opinions /observations. Not looking to start an argument, but want to put forward some of the other side of the story.

1: "The fish & crab pro's rape all of Tin Can Bay constantly "
There are quite a few commercial operators in the Great Sandy Straights who net & crab. Probably @ higher densities than the other waterways I know. That said, I think that 'Rape" & "constantly' are a bit hard. One guy I know has been netting the same banks on the same tides for thirty+ years. If it was not sustainable he wouldn't still be taking boxes of whiting every shot. It costs money to run a net operation, they only go fishing if there is a pay in it. The crabbers do work the area pretty hard, but from my observations / information they pull gear out for the peak times because they just loose to much gear to the share-farmers.

2. "then hammer the hell out of it just before any public holidays so they can have some time off & thus leave nothing for anyone."
And they eat babies too! C'mon these guys arn't idiots, they are in it for the long term. They would no more smash the system so they can have a week off then I would tell someone they are beeing ripped off by my boss- it's just not going to happen.

3. "They will even follow some of the local recreational fishers who sometimes get onto a good patch of whiting & then move in & wipe out the school."
I doubt it. I really doubt it. A net operation needs water of a specific depth, current of a specific run and 50 other factors, to sugest that the pros will run out a net just cause there may be a box of whiting there, is gross over simplification. No recreational fisher will ever know as much about the movements of fish like the pro's do, it's like sugesting that a hobby farmer knows more about about beef than my father in law who's been in beef for 65 years.

4. "Hmmm, wonder why there's also no seagrass & dugongs left in the area."
I wont argue that some of the heavier netting operations [Eg Shark & Barra] have drowned dugong in the past, but thats why there are now DPA [Dugong Protection Areas] in place and strict gear restrictions. Talk to the Parkies they'll tell you that all the dead dugong + Turtles they encounter are from boat strike & Heavy guage poachers nets not pro operations.
As for Eel grass/ seagrass, no netter I know would set his gear in a grass bank it'd be like working in wet cement. The weight would make the net completely unworkable.
As an un-tested hypothesis I think run off from forestry & agriculture has more to do with loss of seagrass beds than netters. Besides every time I go up the straights I see Turtle & Dugong, I don't know what it was like 20 or 50 years ago, but there is sure as hell a healthier population in the straights than in Pumicestone passage or Moreton Bay [the only other waterways I can claim to be familiar with.]

5. "there is a pro in the area & has taken offence to you setting pots in the area."
I think the guy you are talking about is a shamatuer - no licence but sells product on the black market. The Pros know what it's llike having gear ripped off & slashed and spend too much time repairing thirown to do it to others. Besides If you were losing 10 pots a week you'd probably get a bit sh!tty as well.

I don't want to sugest that all the pros working the SS are knights in wet wether gear, however to slam all operators a rapists and filth is a bit extreme don't you think?
I think the only way we are going to be able to share the resource is to give each other some slack, not leap to the worst conclusion and act like adults. I bought a netter a beer at the Rainbow Sports Club one night and picked his brains. I tell you I'll never see it the same way again.

[slyman]

Hope you have a good trip silent! I'm not sure of their water restrictions, but, for safety and maintenance reasons you are still allowed to flush outboards.

simon

[Silent]

Silent are you going this weekend or the 18-20 th if the last weekend i will be at boonooroo or marroom or whateverits called for he weekend

shane

I'll be there on 18-20th

Cheers Silent

[Silent]

Best of luck trying to catch a fish or a crab.

The fish & crab pro's rape all of Tin Can Bay constantly & then hammer the hell out of it just before any public holidays so they can have some time off & thus leave nothing for anyone. They will even follow some of the local recreational fishers who sometimes get onto a good patch of whiting & then move in & wipe out the school. Hmmm, wonder why there's also no seagrass & dugongs left in the area.

Also, if you go to get your crab pots & can't find them, look up in the tops of the mangroves. If they have been thrown up there (sometimes slashed), there is a pro in the area & has taken offence to you setting pots in the area.

Note: To the uninitiated, the trawlers only work the outside waters. It's the guys in the little putt putt boats with a couple of boat loads of nets in tow that wreck the fish stocks. Not sure if beam trawlers still work further up Sandy Straits.

WTFH

I saw few reports over crab raiders of course shamatuer (I agree with Bob) in this area, so I won't let my eye out of sight on my crab pots...
Anyway thanks for warns

[Silent]

Nowhere Bob,

You're welcome to share the side story against WEAR THE FOX HEAD...
So we can view the opinions, but I won't involve any jugdements about pro.

What I wanted is "Good break from big smoke" I don't care if I don't catch anything, but a nice sencery is bonus!
I always try my best to catch fish or crabs. that's what fisherman is about...

[catfishkid]

The only thing i can add is watch out for GREEN ZONES like the one upstream of log dump in Kauri creek,i know there is more further south but i cant tell you exact locations. good luck i hope you do well. cheers

[Wear the fox hat]

Nowhere Bob,
I did not regard the pro's as filth in my post & I haven't jumped to any conclusions. How about you read the post properly before YOU jump to conclusions.

Just because you had a beer with a pro doesn't make you a book of knowledge.

I speak from first hand experience (many years) & from experiences of many friends that live in & fish the area. All of my comments are not heresay.

The only thing I will agree with you on is the fact that YES, run off from the land (fertilizers etc.) does affect seagrass. My comments about dugong was aimed at the fact that with depleted seagrass, dugong numbers are minimal, but constant netting also damages the seagrass.

As for the professional crabbers down the bottom end of the straits, they are not locals & don't give a stuff about quantities they take.

If you are in the Brisbane area, get involved with the fors & againsts in the upcoming Moreton Bay Marine Park, & THAT will open your eyes to both sides of the story. Ring The Fishing Party, Sunfish or whatever groups are in the fight down that way & get informed.

An area like The Great Sandy Straits should be closed to ALL professional activities & recreational take sizes should be increased & bag limits decreased. Plus all fines on recreational fisho's should be increased 10 fold.

Then the fishery would be sustainable & maybe a limited number of pro's could be reintroduced when stocks increase again.

WTFH

[slyman]

Yeah the green zones, I cant remember the names of the creeks, but on the southern side of tin can inlet there are a few creeks before the powerlines and another just after the powerlines, these are all green zones.

simon