Price of Plateys Out of Control!

[PinHead]

I am proud that I bought an australian made product

In melbourne there is a factory with employees that get paid buy food raise children pay taxes and generally keep the system working.

If the bucks went overseas then none of this would happen. China is a fad at the moment but it wont be long before the people getting paid bugger all in the factories start to demand the standard of living that we have. They will demand more money super cars etc and eventually the cost of goods will rise to a level that is comparable with our country. Unless their government surpresses them
As for boat building I would rathe have a welder that is educated in AUS trained properly and knows his job building my boat. In respect to materials I would rather have alloy that is the right temper grade and quality and not comprimised because it is cheaper.

great sentiments but I doubt that wages will get the same as ours..as for the metal, is it inferior quality or the same quality but at a lower price? What is the difference between a welder educated here or one from somehwere else?? I can remember when I was a kid that everything that came out of Japan was labelled as rubbish...I doubt anyone would say that now.

as for fitting out a tinny..I guess it is the same as buying a boat...all comes down to personal preference as to what is required.

[timddo]

GUESTIMATED COSTS
AUSTRALIAN MADE.......................................... MADE IN CHINA
alloy...................$4500..................... .................$1200
labour wages.....$6000.(5 weeks).....................$1500
windscreens......$1000............................ ...........$ 150
painting ............$4500................................. ......$ 250
apolstery............$1000........................ ...............$ 180
outboard............$9000......................... ...............$3000
trailer.................$3500..................... ....................$ 800
fittings................$1000..................... ....................$180
overheads..........$2500.......................... ...............$ 100
builder profit 25%.$8250......................................$ 5000
dealer mark up......$5500..................................... .$24,720

i'M AN ENGINE RECONDITIONER SO I WILL HAVE A GESTIMATE OF WHAT POSSIBLY GOES INTO AN AVERAGE 5.5 PLATY CENTRE CONSOLE.
SEEMS EASY TO GET TO $45 TO $50K.
CHINESE IMPORTS WOULD BE ABOUT $10,000 CHEAPER.
IF ONLY WE COULD FIND A DEALER AND A BOAT BUILDER WHO DID NOT WANT TO MAKE A PROFIT.

CHEERS

Motor prices $3000, where do you get your figures from.

boat prices really depending oh where you buy your boat from..

I got quotes from$36,000 to $45,000 for a rebuilt engine , new boat..
thats for a plate 5.45 boat.

Price of materials are world prices. so they are the same where ever you are. The major different is Labour Cost.

Besides we mine the metal ores and send them overseas for processing.


Boat prices have gone up along with world prices --- just like the oil companies.
a 17% rise in aluminium. does not mean a 17% rise in the overall price. wages do not go up by 17%, ( now do they)

It's all got to do with profits and more profits.

[Big G]

Timdodo,
The list of prices out of China are just an estimate based on the prices of goods currently coming out of China. ....tim.doe doe, the next time you purchase an air conditioner or such like that is made in China get on the net and punch in the brand and model and email the factory in China and ask for a wholesale price.
what you paid $1750.00 for in Australia they will offer you for around $350.......thats where I got my prices from. It will be up to 4 or 5 times cheaper.

as far as alluminium sheet prices go....China controlls that as well... funny these alloy sheets are not just dug up out of the ground in Australia they are manafactured in China. Prices of materials are not world prices only the raw material.... read this extract:China swings aluminium market

G. Chandrashekhar



Mumbai , May 30
LATEST data from the International Aluminium Institute and other sources show that aluminium production grew by 3.5 per cent year-on-year in the first four months. It was China driving the growth, accounting for as much as 2,72,000 tonnes of the 3,34,000 tonnes year-on-year increase in global growth.
Chinese aluminium production was up 12.9 per cent to 2.377 million tonnes (mt) in January-April (2.105 mt). Will China's production grow or level out?
Despite the impact of high alumina prices, power shortages, enforced closure of some capacity and changing tax treatment of exports, Chinese aluminium producers have not only maintained production, but have also actually been able to raise output.
However, there are signs that this is starting to get more difficult, according to Mr Adam Rowley, metals analyst with Macquarie Research (Metals and Mining), who pointed out that although Chinese aluminium production was up year-on-year in the first four months, a comparison with the final four months of last year shows production was actually down modestly over that period.
Aluminium production during September-December 2004 was an estimated 10.007 mt that declined to 9.919 mt in the first four months of the current year. Interestingly, the decline of 88,000 tonnes in output is almost entirely accounted for by China where production fell to 2.377 mt from 2.463 mt.
Meanwhile, a drop in alumina - aluminium prices has hit the spot market. LME aluminium prices have retraced from a high of $2,000 a tonne in mid-March to just above $1,700 a tonne. Aluminium smelters have reportedly withdrawn from the spot alumina market, resulting in a pullback in spot prices by about $50 a tonne.
While the underlying demand/supply fundamentals of the market remain tight, the key issue for the spot alumina price in the coming months will be the aluminium price (determining ability to pay) and Chinese aluminium production growth.
China dominates the spot market for alumina (with most other aluminium producers largely locked-in under long-term contracts), and anything that impact on Chinese aluminium production growth, will affect the spot alumina market, the analyst pointed out. Like with many commodities, China remains a critical swing factor in the aluminium market.








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so if a plate builder pays $9000 for an outboard as his cost it only stands to reason that the cost for "made in China" version would be around $3000 or less.

The mark up in Australia for Chinese manafactured goods is around 300%...so that is how I put together the comparison..... it is not only that the wage component would be cheaper in welding the alloy, all the components used would be dirt cheap.

You are welcome to show us your idea of cost structure of futuristic Alloy boats out of China. looking forward to your version.

Cheers
Big G.

[PinHead]

seems you forgot freight to Australia...plus..on the air conditioner side of things..maybe they would sell to you at that price for a container full..then you have to add freght and duties etc.

[seabug]

seems you forgot freight to Australia...plus..on the air conditioner side of things..maybe they would sell to you at that price for a container full..then you have to add freght and duties etc.

Hi Pinhead,
Your comment is very true.

I wanted a low profile 4 stage hydraulic car jack and after extensive internet search found a company in China that made them.

I asked for a quote and gave the model number.
Pleasant surprise when they quoted $11.80 each.

Catch was that was only if I took a 800 lot container shipment.

Ended up it cost approx. $170 for a single order airfrieghted.

Regards
seabug

[MyWay]

is that mine now whan u seling 2nd hand boat (Plateys)in trading post if not sold in few weeks u can put price up instead droping down

no_luck

[Sailing Breeze]

I feel the increased price of plate boats has coincided with manufactures unable to secure quality tradesman ( like many businesses)and this shortage has put the cost of labour through the roof. Secondly, it appeared a while back, every boy and his dog who could weld was having a go at manufacturing. I think it has settled down a little now and the quality available accross the board has also increased with the price.
I think you will find most good quality manufactures are a small organization employing only a couple of staff. Look for quality.

[Big G]

-How much does ocean shipping and air shipping cost from China?
Estimates of China freight shipping costs for air and ocean are shown below. These costs are to be used as estimates only and can vary depending on the season and oil prices.
Air5-40lbs $8.50/lb40-100lbs$6.50/lb. 100-150lbs$5.00/lb. 150-1000lbs$4.50/lb. >1000lbs $2.50/lb.
Ocean20’ container $3800 40’ container $5000*LCL 1 Pallet$750 >1 Pallet$550/pallet


fit a lot of 5-6mt alloy boats in a 40 ft well packed container....double the freight price and it would still be cheap per boat. the dealer would not mind a little coming out of his $24,000 mark up.(per boat)

Big G

[saurian]

Got to agree with you Big G , won't be long before it happens .
Imagine - " wingtrex", made in china with australian materials for Australians.
Ta

[Col_s]

My two bobs worth........

There are plate boats and plate boats.

Off topic........Having no regulations on the manufacture of boats, besides the ABP, is wrong imo.

The plate we use in our hull is 5083 grade and as far as I have been told comes from Europe and is DNV certified.

The cost of aluminium to us has risen around 30% - 40% over the last year or so.

Skilled labour that is required to build a custom quality platey is hard to get so naturally the wages have increased quite a bit over the last couple of years along with the chandlery items that have increased, which I blame fuel prices for.

I think if you can compare "plate boats" one on one ie. apples against apples you will find that the price of a custom built platey is not out of control, but maybe the more production style ones are.

Cheers Col

[fishing111]

I think the pricing of boats is getting rediculous,take for eg the following :Stabicraft 589SC / Honda 4 stroke 135hp outboard


Navman 6600 sounder, Maxwell winch, burley bucket, hard top, windscreen, filleting board Hull DetailsMake /ModelStabicraft 589SCEngine DetailsEngine MakeHonda 4 stroke 135hp outboard with gaugesTrailer DetailsMakeDunbier trailer
Brakes, Jockey wheel, FeaturesAccessories
Bait tank, Bow rails, Dual battery system, Rocket launchers, Underfloor fuel tank, Windscreen wiper, Anchor Winch,
Electronics
VHF Radio, Sounder, CD player,
Safety
Navigation lights, Compass,
Interior
Floor, Bunk cushions, Side pockets, Upholstered Swivel Seats,
$81,000



I know Stabicraft's are well made and beautiful boat's, but c'mon, $81 thousand for a boat under 6 metres is beyond a joke. It dosn't even list hydrallic steering in that price.
AUD$81,000

I stand by what i said here, 81K for a boat UNDER 6 METRES is just about getting to the point where its ridiculous. I know material prices have gone up, but my wage sure as hell has'nt kept up. not by a long shot. (yeah i know get another job )
I know a lot of plate builders are extremely busy at the moment, but if the prices keep going up i wonder who they'll be selling to in the future.

[Mozza]

Guys,

My quick 2cents worth.

Prices go up not just if the resource go up. There's also demand - more demand inevitably leads to higher prices. Courtesy of low interest rates people are happy to fork out for extra repayments. Same with the ridiculous housing market at the moment.

I pray every night that interest rates don't up any time until I retire because when they do, Aus is in for interesting times indeed.

Mozza

[saurian]

Yeh, col , whats a plate boat nowadays???
Most manufacturers seem to think 3mm plate or above ( not clinkered )
Designates the boat as a 'platey' , sad really that the consumer thinks they are getting a 'platey" when really it's a hulk with a few ribs , and smooth sides.
I never like talking about real plateys versus plate sides & bottom of a questionable grade, as to many people would get upset or not understand.
And custom is custom not trailcraft or similar etc ....
But still think Big G is not far off the mark when it comes to mass produced tinnies.
Ta

[snelly1971]

Well I will ask for other Ausfish members Opinions.....I am thinking of putting up my rig for sale and buying something bigger in the near future....As this post is about Plate boat prices then i will ask other Ausfish members for there honest opinions on what price i should be asking for the old girl....

6 Meter Tri-Star..Aluminium
5mm Bottom..4mm sides...5mm self draining deck with scuppers.
98 200 v6 Mercury EFI approx 300 Hrs..300 liter fuel tank
Lowrance X15MT Gps and 1 KW sounder. Underfloor Kill Tank.
Raymarine ds500x Sounder.
Rocket Launcher...Tandem Trailer...All Safety gear...
Will be in 2c Survey...ect....

This is just a brief overview....as I will be advertising it on Ausfish in the for sale section when the time comes...

Cheers Mick

[Shane Dyer]

Mick,wouldnt like to guess and would surely be scared of replacement price.Maybe some bigger boat owners can help you.