a bit off topic..but do you wonder why we have little manufacturing here...at the whim of overseas purchasers for our primary products..becasue we are under populated..but that is another debate in itself.Originally Posted by tunaman
a bit off topic..but do you wonder why we have little manufacturing here...at the whim of overseas purchasers for our primary products..becasue we are under populated..but that is another debate in itself.
The biggest destructor of Moreton Bay and the GBR is pollution.
Green zones don't do a thing about pollution but it's the easiest / softest option for government who can then say that they're doing something to preserve the environment.
Unfortunately despite the best REAL science, the final decision will be based on the politics of getting or staying in government.
Luc
Well put Luc
Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent genius will not; un-rewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone is omnipotent."
My apologies Adam, I stand corrected, when I first read the article I thought the meaning to be that the ferry operator reported the dead animal when in fact he/she reported the strike itself.
Adam please don't misinterpret my comments to be a personal attack on you as an individual, I don't even know you from a bar of soap and as such would never attack you on a personal level. You obviously devote a great deal of time and money to the defence of recreational fishing and bay access. My attack was purely on your response to this newspaper article, as a senior member of TFPQ. Your opponents are well organised and well versed in mainstream politics and they know what will shock the general public. They will jump onto comments like that and beat you around the ears with them.
Point taken KC, any comment not fully endorsed and released by TFPQ is a personal opinion only. I appreciate that it must be very hard for an organisation to provide a unified response to all issues.
Apology accepted Paddles
Adam
Thanks for the understanding coments Paddles. It is part of our growing pains that we only have 1 official spokesperson due to this very type of issue. In the last 2 days I have had to comment (in regards the Cairns court case) in at least 6 major papers and on 3 radio programs and 2 TV networks. Words have to be chosen carefully and any words become by default, the official position of TFPQ.
Given the technical aspects, complexity and legal issues involved in this matter we HAVE to be right ALL THE TIME
The same will be the case in Moreton Bay, but, that said, many and varied fishos, TFPQ members and others, will all have their 2 bobs worth, and so they should. It is up to us as an organisation to frame the varied opinions into a submission document which represents majority opinion.
The press love to paint as a bunch of "good old boy redneck hillbillies", it falls on us to prove them wrong.
I have been quizzed before about comments and debates on Ausfish so it is used as a research centre, both by the press and the environmental lobby.
Brisbane is about to experience first hand just how the environmental lobby manipulate the media and bend public opinion to a point where rec fishing will be demonised and blamed for most of the ills of the bay. The 30 to 50% green zones will suddenly be the be all end all and "save" the bay for future generations.
The difference this time around is that we are both a wake up to them and have already done the hard yards politically and are ready to fight back.
Oh to live in interesting times
KC
Adamy,
Sometimes (most times) when you are in the spotlight, such as the polital one, your personal views and comments have to be contained for the good of the majority (TFPQ).
I understand you backpedaled and explained yourself as an afterthought... but that isnt the way to show leadership and gain respect in your position.
You MUST have a well thought out and researched position before commenting... an opinion you are 110% willing to stand by.
Backpedalling and post explanation doesnt show leadership or strength, in fact it makes it very hard for any person (supporters or opposition) to take you seriously.
Paddles is a prime example.
Saying what you said, getting pulled up on it by Paddles (who was fully fight in doing so) backpedalling (or at the least having to explain yourself) and then asking Paddles and others for an apology is nothing short of pathetic.
Forcing KC into damage control mode doesnt help either, but good on KC for looking out for the party first.
You have to realise that your opposition suggesting closures and even suggestions that you mention like fencing the shipping channels are very real propositions from them and however far fetched the ideas may be, should be treated with respect and handled in the correct manner.
You must be seen to be sympathetic to conservation, but in a way that fosters co-existance for all sides of the arguement.
Totally left or right political views arent the way forward.
And certainly, actions (in the spotlight) speak louder than words.
Without Prejudice,
Peter
Hi Peter,
Please refer to my disclaimer below - which now comes as a signature to all of my posts.
I hear what you are saying and take it on board however all I am asking is that people afford me the same respect that I afford others - do I judge your business (the company you work for) or your family or your friends or your associates or your club or your interests or the food you eat or the house you live in or the type car you drive or the clothes and brands of clothes you choose to wear or the brands of the appliances in your house or your boat or the workmanship of your hands - just by the comments you may make here on Ausfish?? And yet in a way all these seemingly unassociated aspects of your life in some way are a representation of who you are and what you say here on Ausfish.
So... not back peddling - and if people had have taken the time to read my original comments within the context they were made they would have seen where I was coming from in the first place without my having to explain anything. Others abilities to jump to their own conclusions have little to do with me!!
So... what I think is pathetic is people making a personal attack on me and then trying to say because of my other interests that I cant say what I think - thats simply absolute crap!!! If you or anyone else wants to judge me like that - then please list all the associations you belong to - the brands you use and where you work and I will judge them, you and your comments and all these other parties with the same kinds of judgments others judge me with.
Peter the point I am trying to make is we all wear many hats... one of my hats is a fisho and another is a family man - I dont expect you to judge my family rearing abilities in terms of what I say about fishing as they arent even related - as much as my comments about the original post are not related to any of my other interests - TFPQ included!!
Get a GRIP people!!!
Spotlight??? what spotlight - I have repeated told everyone concerned - KC has repeatedly told everyone concerned - there is only one person in the TFPQ spotlight and thats not me!!!
I would agree with your initial comments if I was a publicly elected figure or even a nominated spokesperson for such - but I am NOT!!! So what gives anyone the right to judge a certain organisation from anything I may say that is not even in relation to that organisation??? Thats what is pathetic!!!
Service returned!!!
Adam
p.s anyone else want to make a personal attack??? sorry but I'm sick of this - from now on the return serves will increase in vitriol until the personal attacks cease or I am banned from the site!!!
p.p.s. If you need any of the big words I use explained in simple terms - please feel free to pm me!
Hey Biosbro... that spray wet enough for you??
Last edited by Adamy; 24-02-2007 at 01:54 PM.
Adamy, i think you are missing the point Grand Marlin is trying to make..
you, as the chairman of TFPQ Brisbane South need to think a bit more clearly about what statements you make.. we know what you are saying, BUT, as the chairman of TFPQ Brisbane South, the greenies etc will, if given the chance, jump on it & use it to their advantage. It does not matter that it is an opinion as a family man or a fisherman etc. etc. to them it is as the chairman of TFPQ Brisbane South & if it can be used it will be, & it won't be lying because you have said it, however it will be out of context & they don't care as they use stuff out of context all the time to gain the advantage.. if you are going to get all huffy over fellow fisherman pointing these things out so they can help you, what are you going to do if ever you get involved in serious debate with someone that matters & you don't phrase something correctly & they take you to task over it???
Adamy
Mate this is not a personal attack on you but i have to agree with Grand Marlin and DR as i was in the same boat. Anything I said or did when I was in the same position as you was deemed to be the veiw of the party and fair game. Even when i was speaking on behalf of my own business it was deemed to be the veiw of the party. I like you I had a DISCLAIMER but personaly it was a waste of time putting it up.
Regards
Shane
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Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent genius will not; un-rewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone is omnipotent."
Adamy,
It was constructive critisicm, aimed at the good of all, but you chose not to see that point, rather to see everything as a personal attack.
Disclaimer this, re-explain that, personal thoughts this, TFPQ that... it doesnt matter.....
Adam
As you are the chairman of TFPQ Brisbane South what are you going to do about it
Regards
Shane Boese
I think this puts you in the spotlight..... spokesperson or not - remember that.
I am not out to persucute you, neither was Paddles, but we DO have the right to judge based on your original comments.
We were trying to point out that what you said, or how you said it was wrong.
Comments like that will have an impact on anything you are associated with, like it or not.
Even KC has said that you have been spoken to about inappropriate comments, as he went into damage control on your behalf.
No one is perfect, but if you are wrong you are wrong ... set the record straight and get on with it.
Demanding an apology from people who have pointed out the error of your judgement call is, again, pathetic.
You have bigger fish to fry on behalf of TFPQ than arguing on a chat forum.
I, as a TFPQ supporter, would prefer to see you direct your talents into addressing the key criteria of this issue (as KC pointed out)
Maybe composure in lieu of vitriol will be your saviour.
If not, then as a TFPQ board member, I guess you are the best asset the Greens could have.
Regards
Pete
ps. If you could please exonerate any big words you have purported, I will be happy to PM you for elucidation, as I am currently not beleagured by your level of intellect.
Cool, forget the green stuff, let's get out our thesauruses & have a war of words..
OK then... I'd like to invite you to follow me around to every friggin post I ever make and say exactly the same comments - I am a frequent poster on the fishing reports side - and to extent your reasoning further... any comments or reports I make in the context of fishing should also be taken in the context of my relationship within the fishing party?? Grand Marlin - you may also remember - because you replied to it - that I also asked some questions in relation to boats and in particular how to patch up some holes - I also posted other questions in relation to my motor - should these also be taken into context with my relationship with TFPQ??
If you can draw the distinction between these issues where in I was/am making personal comment without having my relationship with TFPQ within that context - why cant you then make the same distinction??
Heres the spotlight thing again:
OK Grand Marlin - because you're so "Grand" and you must be a Marlin - because thats your handle... What are you going to do about it on behalf of all the other Marlin? or even all the other fiberglass dudes... NOW THE SPOTLIGHT IS ON YOU!!! "spokesperson or not ... remember that!!As you are the chairman of TFPQ Brisbane South what are you going to do about it
Regards
Shane Boese
I think this puts you in the spotlight..... spokesperson or not - remember that.
You claim to be a TFPQ supporter... if you really are/were one - then you would have either let the issue rest or pm'd me privately in order to make your feelings known - you didnt need to resurrect an issue which had been long put to rest - quite frankly I was a bit disappointed when I saw your reaction - given your standing in the Ausfish community I expected more and better of you.
The issue had been put to rest by several posts and slowly making it's way into the abyss - when you bought it up again - Why did you do that?? Does it make you a bigger man to put another down and call them (or their actions) pathetic in public??
Let me once more remind you what this is all about - I made some personal comments regarding the tactics of an environmental group - a couple of people misread or misinterpreted those comments - they assumed I was saying something I never said in the first place (did you ever read the original thread or my comments? or did you just come late to a fight and want to join in?) Then some others made a wrongful distinction between those comments and an organisation I happen to belong to and then try and make me look like the bad guy - well its not on!!
Now the real issue regarding the tactics of the AMCS - which is what the original thread was all about has denigrated into a personal slanging match - of which I am happy to oblige - because it is my freedom of speech and expression which is being threatened here!!
Peter - you quite correctly acknowledge that I have bigger fish to fry than having to deal with rubbish like this!! If people would stop being so petty and stop trying to place their hangups on me then I could get on with some real work.... but if I am being attacked - then to hell with it - I dont let mosquitoes just bite me - I smack em - then I get on with my work. I have as much right to be on this chat forum and contribute to it as an individual as any other.
Peter seems you missed my original point... I never was wrong - never said I was wrong - maybe I expressed my opinion as sarcasm and expected the members of Ausfish to be able to handle that sarcasm - maybe thats where I was wrong... I shouldnt expect so much! So yes - that was an error of my judgement on my behalf - as I suppose was expecting you to be a reasonable and exercised person (as a "supporter" of TFPQ and all that) but I suppose I was wrong there as well - Oh well better "get on with it" I suppose. Should have let sleeping dogs lie Pete!No one is perfect, but if you are wrong you are wrong ... set the record straight and get on with it.
Demanding an apology from people who have pointed out the error of your judgement call is, again, pathetic.
OK then... clearly I can judge the works of your hands (your job and business) by the impact that your comments have on my person? So if I dont like what you are saying now - then I clearly will not like your work - because it has an impact on anything you are associated with - whether you like it or not. Its a pity because there were quite a few people who recommended that I should use your services and I was giving it serious consideration.I am not out to persucute you, neither was Paddles, but we DO have the right to judge based on your original comments.
We were trying to point out that what you said, or how you said it was wrong.
Comments like that will have an impact on anything you are associated with, like it or not.
By the way.....That statement doesnt really make sense... exonerate means to clear or set free - you will be happy to pm me for elucidation (explain the meaning of)... So you want me to set free some of my big words, and you are happy to pm me for further explanation - but you aren't hassled by the level of my intellect. Those two statements contradict each other because if you weren't hassled (or stressed) by my level of intellect - then surely you wouldn't pm me for further explanation - and some of the words were spelled wrong. (not that I can talk - I sometimes make spelling mistakes toops. If you could please exonerate any big words you have purported, I will be happy to PM you for elucidation, as I am currently not beleagured by your level of intellect.)
I think thats it for now....
Adam
Hi Adam
I know how you feel. I'm a little bit scared to post any comments on this site too, because people can be really mean and horrible. I dont think it should be that way.
I have read your first post and I totally understood where you were coming from you didnt mean any harm to the sea creature. I think some people didnt really take the time to read what you really said and what you really meant and like you said jumped to their own conclusions. Then I think (I may be wrong) but I think some of the others just jumped on board for the ride, it seems to be the Australian way - Tall Poppy syndrome maybe? Not saying that you're a tall poppy though, dont get me wrong.
I do think that maybe you should see them as they are and just relax. They may seem nasty but they might even be nasty but if they are not right then what does it matter? I think most of the other sane people here on the site can see right through what they are trying to do, they make themselves look bad when they gang up and take the offence when none was given or even ment.
Good luck - you do have some support out there - like the old saying goes - dont let the b@stards or is that turkeys? get you down
Shirl
Thats nice comming from someone who's last post was
Originally Posted by TruBlu
WOW!!!! Bit grouchy there Jeremy??
Regards
Shane Boese
Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent genius will not; un-rewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone is omnipotent."
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