Shamatures.

[nigelr]

Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone!
Is it a matter of degree, or are we talking a moral/ethical issue here?
If so, is the unemployed person who sells their catch any different to the person who gives excess fish away, for whatever reason?
When you have enough fish for your family, isn't it time to stop?
Just my 2 cents, don't want to get too heavy, God knows I've given the odd fish away myself and I don't consider myself as opportunistic as say, a local disability pensioner who offloads the odd mulloway or 10!
Guess we all have to live with our own consciounces!
Cheers!

[outsiderskip]

hi guys im a pro and i can only sell fish to a fish w/saler
i can also have a tender boat fishing within 800mts of my vessel
but he cant sell any fish
by the way a pro cannot sell fish directly to a fish shop
unless he has a w/sale licence to buy fish

pete

[roz]

i there Pete,

that is something I didn't know.

We have been bashing the pro's here lately, mainly for their behaviour toward amatures. But I don't see a lot of wealthy pro fishermen, the one's I know only just scrape in, with one exception.

A pro mackeral fisherman who worked out of 1770, I know him and his wife quite well. He was able to run rings around anybody, seemingly able to pull mackeral out of the water by the dozen, where the rest of us had only managed two or three. anyway, getting a bit off the topic here.

Nigeir,

You have made a good point.

I think kingtin made a quote which summed it up...something about pointing fingers.

I was actually referring to young males I know of, that are quite capable of working but choose to live this way, those types take fish they are not entitled to, while tax payers support them, and they still live at home with their parents.

I just thought I would start off this debate, it's something that I see a lot of. I suppose at the end of the day, on one can claim to be totally blame free.

It's the ones I've mentioned above, and the larger scale operators, who need to be caught IMO.

[PinHead]

Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone!
Is it a matter of degree, or are we talking a moral/ethical issue here?
If so, is the unemployed person who sells their catch any different to the person who gives excess fish away, for whatever reason?
When you have enough fish for your family, isn't it time to stop?
Just my 2 cents, don't want to get too heavy, God knows I've given the odd fish away myself and I don't consider myself as opportunistic as say, a local disability pensioner who offloads the odd mulloway or 10!
Guess we all have to live with our own consciounces!
Cheers!

The way I see it Nigel is that if the so called unemployed bloke is selling his catch then he is no longer unemployed..he can apply for a licence...get the appropriate insurances..register his boat correctly...pay his GST on his sales etc etc...why should I pay someone unemployment benefits whilst he is out catching fish and selling them...that is social security fraud as far as I am concerned.

Giving the fish away is totally different in every way.

[nigelr]

Have to agree with you both on that point, Roz and Pinhead.
Kinda makes my blood boil thinking about it!
I've always believed an honest days' work is a terrifying thing to some people!
Cheers, and interesting post, Roz, bound to get some good responses!

[Horse]

I have a lot of time for commercial line fisho's. They mostly do minimal damage to other areas of the fishery and provide a much needed service to the non fishing community. I am sure that most of them are as upset as most of the rec fisho's with the antics of some of the shamatures who do not pay fees, taxes or follow the regulations.
I have noted a huge change in public perceptions concerning this sort of activity. In my younger years I fished often with a bloke who sold his catch through the markets on some sort of loophole in the regulations. Gladly this sort of thing has been closed down now.
Fisheries management has its hands full monitoring commercial and recreational catches without having to worry about amatuers stealing the resource for their own profit.

Cheers

Neil

[outsiderskip]

not as easy as you thing to get a licence these days
pete

[roz]

Pete, I've heard there are quotas that have to be met, if that doesn't happen, can the state authority take back the pro's licence?

another black mark against the shamatures I suppose.

[murf]

Good post Roz will the truth come out though?

I give a fair bit of fish away to family and friends (when I have a good day) and never ask, expect or take payment for fish.

I have given a couple of kingies to a bloke once at the pub (he came up and asked me if I had any to spare)and I refused any money offered but next thing I know he put a drink in front of me, so I have broken the law for drinking that drink

is it wrong to give a mate a feed of fish if he does a small favour for you? again breaking the law but at what moral level.

Yes I don't agree with the people that fish at every opertunity so they can sell fish, I suspect a couple around here do it

Cheers Murf

[aussiefool]

I'm on a full pension (carers)and I go fishing when ever I can. While I do not always catch a bucket load of fish I do alright. One person that lives near me knows of my fishing activity and has asked me more than once if I wanted to sell some fish (as he had people waiting for fish ). While I must admit that I have been very temped, very temped indeed, but I know that it would be both legaly and morally wrong. Hevens knows that I could do with some extra money,but I gould not live with myself if I did. As to would I dob him in,mmmmmm, I don't know spose I would if I knew he was doing on a large scale and not just the odd fish here and there than yes I would pick up the phone.

[wayneoro]

this is such a moral grey area i doubt the fisheries would be interested in jo blob giveing a friend a couple of fish in exchange for a few bucks to help with the fuel costs there line in the sand as i know it is when somebody goes fishing with the only purpose of selling his catch you can bet the fisheries have a million dobbers ringing in jo blob type of transactions because they wernt offered any yes we are humans lucky this is australia and we have such a thing as a fair go where victimless offences of this nature are over looked

[outsiderskip]

wayne
boating patrol are out there more often taking photos of boats going out reguraly
and especially if u brag about what you catch on the radio
i personally have only been pulled up oncethey were with me for 1hr while they investigated me for all my licences checked in well in back of boat, under bunks, in ice box to make sure all fish were legal and i had none hidden

roz
no quotas but if u try selling your licence and you dont have much fish caughtfor the year it not worth much any yes they can say you are not particapiting in the industry and can buy you out or possibly take it off you

pete

[PinHead]

hell...to get back fuel costs...I would need to catch one hell of a lot of fish.
I would rather give away than sell it....gives a warm and fuzzy feeling.

[outsiderskip]

30kg of fish just to break even
hoping not to loose any tackle or have any mishaps

[roz]

hell...to get back fuel costs...I would need to catch one hell of a lot of fish.
I would rather give away than sell it....gives a warm and fuzzy feeling.

HEY PINHEAD,

I KNOW WHERE YOU GET YOUR WARM AND FUZZY FEELING.

and it's called GREEN GINGER WINE