Fisheries decision on Setlines for Cod.

[Gazza]

i spent 3 days fishing the murrinbigee with a mate who grew up with set lining
i turned him around thank goodness
its not not done for the sport i asked him and he replied set lining is done for the eating i replied go to the local take awway
i was amazed at this whole set line thing .
gentleman please grow up
food stamps are available at the nearest red cross office .
wheres the challenge

Chrisjon65......I grew up a lonng time ago ,and maybe we should rename the RFL to SportsFL? in your case? and as you seem to chastise 'fish-eaters' with 'support your local fishshop',a good poll may just be.....
"Should C&R only Fishos be allowed to comment on 'Bag & Size Limits ??"

Fitzy , with your good work in "Native" stockings ,you can say no wrong
But possibly consider renaming the SIP to well SIP.....sport-in-ponds?

Bassman ,we'll just have to agree that ONLY 27 people use or know of setlines!!.....so no problem

Now you(s) want a 'challenge' , get ya self-righteous selves, some PC games......
Like SegaBassfishing (great for lure technique and behaviour)
Deepsea Virtual Fishing (Marlin,Tuna,Sharks,etc.....big fish with a take-a-photo feature )
or even the ol Trophy Bass4 demo ,where ya gun ya bassboat all over the place and release em all

Now girls ,don't get ya knickers in a knot, it's all for the minimised torment of your/our fish ,just while they're spawning ,o.k? , and your kids will enjoy the PC games as well, when the weather is crap or not worth dropping the boat in

Anti-LINE-fishing support, will bite you on the bum ,bigtime ,in the probably not-too-distant future (sorry I also have a recreational pastime of 10 Pin Bowling ,and couldn't help 'seeing' the similarities )

[chrisjon65]

been around a long time aint learned much set lining should be outlawed if a man needs to set a line for a feed of fish wake up .
if you enjoy that type of fishing fine
you set your lines and go home and eat your steak and wait for that well
earned fish feast to run into your line
that must be very fullfilling .
how about giving the the fish a chance of beating you .
cause if you check the line the next day and the bait is gone and theres no fish you guys blame someone for touching your line
all i can say is you get satisfaction
from that form of fishing fine .
but my son will learn the SPORT of fishing and that is give the fish a chance to beat the angler

[mick]

Now you(s) want a 'challenge' , get ya self-righteous selves, some PC games......
Like SegaBassfishing (great for lure technique and behaviour)
Deepsea Virtual Fishing (Marlin,Tuna,Sharks,etc.....big fish with a take-a-photo feature )
or even the ol Trophy Bass4 demo ,where ya gun ya bassboat all over the place and release em all

can you use set lines in these games?

[bassmansrc]

Mick,

I love the response..... I laughed myself silly. Seems at the moment 82% of respondents are fully against setlines so probably would not want to use them in the gaming environment either. Can you imagine setting a set line on the PC game, leaving the computer on for the night & coming back to the keyboard the next morning to haul in your half dead cyber-fish. No real challenge in it really..... bit like real life set lining- no challenge in that either.

If you want a feed of fish for little or no effort then go & buy one from Woolworths or Coles & you'll have a choice on what species you eat. Best thing is the fish from Coles is already scaled, gutted & gilled- even less effort needed. Do this & a cod lives to breed.

These are my suggestions to you, but this by no means relinquishes your legal right to keep any fish caught by legal fishing methods including setlines.
Steve

[Gazza]

can you use set lines in these games?

No Mate ,can't even go to a takeaway or catch your bait either ,but you can take a photo and release ,but no eating allowed either.........
Just what fun you derive I suppose is up to, what you personally get from 'Sport'......seems (to me) to be the same 'challenge' as in the PC games, only you "definitely will" catch more on the PC and the fish spawn in peace all-the-time

No RFL/SIP req'd ,NO trawlers in sight
Regards
Gazza

[bassmansrc]

Gazza,
I too love your reply. Where did you guys go to school? The Qld school of comedians?



Steve

[Fitzy]

I actually voted for a reduction in set lines, not a total ban. I'll tell yas why.

As a kid out woop woop & other various places I did exactly as the adults did & indulged in the odd set line. I had a ball too. Used to set a bell on the forked stick that was thru the handline & go exploring the river banks. Upon hearing that ringing, there would be one hell of a race to get back to the line, often missing the fish but still having fun. Yes we caught the odd fish too.
While I don't use set lines today, I can't begrudge someone else the same things that I enjoyed as a kid. Kids often have a limited attention span & tend to get bored quickly. By allowing them to set a rod on a stick & go exploring etc is a good way for them to learn all by themselves that they need to be there to catch fish successfully.
I am all for protecting our threatened native fishes from oblivion, I'm also supportive of recreational fishing. If we over-regulate things then we & our kids are the ones who will not be able to go fishing at all.

To transgress a bit further, I also practice almost 100% Catch & Release (I take the odd yellowbelly home for the old man). While this is a personal choice, I can't begrudge others to take a feed as long as it's within the laws. If we don't like the laws, then we should lobby for change and avoid criticising others who abide by said laws. In saying this, I still cringe every time I see a big beautiful Cod hanging up on a set of scales under a shady tree of some river, guts missing & gills removed. The many stocked lakes are the best place to go to get a feed (a major big reason for them being stocked in the first place) as lake fish rarely represent a reproducing and/or viable population. Wild river fish are my main concern.
In the future, I think we will need to be seen to take fish for a feed to justify our very reason for fishing. The wowsers (PETA & similar orgs) will most certainly target C&R fishing in Oz as is happening now in other countries.

Anyone want to comment? Am I right, wrong or totally off the mark?

Cheers All,

Fitzy..

[Gazza]

See Fitzy ,toldya you can say no wrong!

And the middleground is certainly the right place to be ,for ALL forms of LINE fishing.

I've said elsewheresville that viable options include........

a. limiting the distance 'from camp' that setlines be legally allowed.(I understand it is 200mtrs. in Q'ld ,not sure in NSW)

b. Mandatory bells to increase awareness and reduce time-on-line.

c. 2~4 lines MAX , maybe 6 t-o-t-a-l for a fishing party/camp.

d. 60cms min. , maybe 80~90 Max?

e. 10kg? line strength max. , to reduce Max. size able to be caught.


This is NOT actual l-a-w , but self-regulation I and those I gladly fish with , have abided by ,for as long as I have been catching Yellas,Jewie?,CARP,CARP and MC's of course.

We don't fish the 'best spots', are welcomed by friends/farmers we have meet (and invited to return), and probably catch a lot l-e-s-s ,than we actually could , IF we tried harder to in fact .......by following current legal maxims.(sure we take a couple of spinsticks for early morning/evening)

Enjoy your line-fishing ,whatever form that is & Regards

Gazza

[bassmansrc]

Fitzy,

I have no problems with people taking fish for a feed if this is what they choose especially from put & take fisheries such as impoundments. However I believe that the use of setlines is not the way it should be done. I feel there is a big difference between leaving a rod with bells on it in a rod holder at your campsite & simply tying up a 50lb whipper snipper cord to a stake or tree & leaving only to return 24 hours later.

NSW fisheries allow 2 rods/handlines with no more than 2 hooks which they way I look at it are allowed to be in a rod holder/forked stick. These are not considered setlines if you are with in close proximity & are observing the rods ( by way of bells ). This I believe is called "BAIT FISHING".


What I understand setlines to be are those lines used & set with bait. These setlines are not maintained or observed by an angler. they are set & left. This means there is no responsible angler near by waitig to hear any bells. Any fish hooked can be left hanging for hours or days before being hauled in.

Now as you have said fish should be taken from stocked impoundments preferably to rivers however in NSW it is illegal to use a setline in any impoundment. You are allowed to use them in the western rivers though. Does this make any sence to you, because it does not to me? Impoundments are put & take fisheries while wild rivers on most accounts are not put & take fisheries. If there is a need to ban setlines from impoundments as is the case in NSW to protect fish then simply put river fish need the same protection.

My next point is trout rivers in NSW have a total ban on using setlines. These fish are an introduced exotic species & are believed to be the cause of many declines in other fish & amphibian populations. They are easily breed in hatcheries but it is the NSW law that there is to be no setlining for these species any where. Conversely Murray cod are much more difficult to breed in hatcheries, they are considered a threatend species, have no detremental ecological effects as they are native, yet these fish can be setlined in Western rivers.

Now as said I myself don't keep any freshwater native. I keep every trout I catch & also take the odd feed of saltwater fish. Having said this I have no problem with the occassional freshwater native being kept from impoundments.... but the way our NSW laws are we are promoting the use of setlines in rivers not impoundments, which in turn promotes these river fish being kept as a food source.

If trout are protected from setlines & impoundment natives are protected from setlines then why should the river natives not be given the same protection??????????

In summing up-
Setlines are not manned bait rods with bells.
Keeping a native fish from an impoundment is OK.
River Cod & Perch should be afforded the same protection that Trout an introduced species are given- no setlines.
River Cod & Perch should be afforded the same protection as impoundment natives- no setlines.


Does this make sence???

Steve

Sorry I woffled on here a bit but NSW laws are just a bit illogical & I can't see why they were not changed recently.

[chrisjon65]

bassman i agree 100 %
the set lining ive been refering to is that crap leave it overnight stuff
the sit on the bank and wait until the bell rings is aok
at least your retreiving the fish while it can still fight ya
this pull up the hook on the end of
the bike tube . please explain

[Gazza]

bassman i agree 100 %
the set lining ive been refering to is that crap leave it overnight stuff
the sit on the bank and wait until the bell rings is aok
at least your retreiving the fish while it can still fight ya
this pull up the hook on the end of
the bike tube . please explain

Hi Chrisjon65 , maaaaate a simple parting comment.......

On a setline ,I will always 'leave' my fish in the water 'to be released' IF undersized or oversized......by cutting the s-i-n-g-l-e hook if necessary ,and accepting my small monetary loss ,for the fishes gain........

I truly,honestly wonder .......

how many........

well intentioned.........

C&R only keep one "in-a-blue-moon" mob.........

using 12~20cm 6 barbs......$10+ lures....

Rip the "tonsils out of their target" to get their 'sports' money back ???................


Very few I know ........and C&R is an art that is not perfect ,but in my opinion an acceptable form of LINE-Fishing

[Fitzy]

Crew,
You are of course right, there is a big difference between attended set lines & the use of droppers & springers left for undisclosed time.
I know the difference 'cause as a lad, I was taken on a week long trip to Collerenebri to be the camp rouse-about. The adults had a couple hundred set lines with cord lines on every snag in sight using live carp they pumped out of nearby water holes for bait.
It was ironic that the only cod caught from that trip was one I got on a big spinner cast from the bank. The adults promptly took it off me for dinner (much to my disgust).
While I admit to being party to this (in ignorance) I certainly don't endorse this practice. But it once was a way of life for many "out of town" anglers, maybe it still is in places.
It says alot for education on a wide scale, which is happening & will continue to as time progresses.

On the salmonoids, I'm certainly no fan of their being here, but admit that there is a good argument for them being kept in a few locations where their presence will have minimal impact upon natives. Perhaps some sections of rivers below lakes where the cold water pollution will allow them to survive, but where natives tend to avoid. Or maby some selected alpine rivers where natives never existed. I've never been that far south so I can't comment from experience. I will say, however, that I'm bloody glad that they can't handle the Qld weather.

Anyways, I'm rattlin on way too much for a dumb old stink water fisho.
I need less talk & more fishin.


fitz

[mick]

The adults had a couple hundred set lines with cord lines on every snag in sight using live carp they pumped out of nearby water holes for bait.

i geuss we live and learn from our mistakes.
do you have to have your name and contact details on a set line the same as you do with yabby pots?

[Fitzy]

i geuss we live and learn from our mistakes.
do you have to have your name and contact details on a set line the same as you do with yabby pots?

Hi Mick,
We do learn from mistakes & I guess in some ways I've been repaying for past with my work in fish stocking.

I aint left a set line for yonks & can't remeber the requirements for them, I should be up to scratch on it tho.
Think the law is something about being within 200 m or something similar. I'll have to dig out the Fisheries Act & suss it out.

fitz..