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    How much is too much?

    How many fishing comps/tourneys can Somerset handle?
    That is a question on a few folks minds of late.

    Most lakes have one or maybe two serious comps a year.
    This year on Somerset there are 6 Stessl Bass rounds, 1 BASS Pro, basmania wants a crack now, the stocking group run the Kirkleagh Klassic & theres another mob looking to start a comp series, will they want one on Somerset as well?

    So how many is too many?
    I dont know, but I'd hate to see Somerset turn into a lake full of rats with no big fish any more. It has taken us 16 years to get some of these fish to the size they are now. Gun anglers whom are adept at targeting big fish & pinning lots of them is a recipe for disaster IMHO.
    Stessl round 1 last weekend attracted a record attendance of around 120. That’s well above anything previous I believe. Most of the competitors at tournaments now-a-days are pretty damn good anglers, easily good enough to be guides. So what would the average bear think if there were say 100 odd guides working Somerset in one day? Catch & release or not, 100 guides would stuff any lake real quick! Even fish released as soon as caught do die, putting them into livewells for extended periods greatly increases their mortality rates.

    I've got an idea how to possibly save some of the bigger fish in these comps so there’s more there next time around. Tell me what you think of the following. (just an idea mind you)

    For length based comps. Any bass over 50 cm are all regarded as just 50 cm & get maximum points. If there's a tie, then the first one to measure-in their bag wins.
    The Stessl comps have a great idea where an angler can weigh-in his/her fish & they are given a bright orange “bagged out angler” vest so they can go back out on the water with their partner but not fish for the remainder of the session. This will help get crook fish out of the livewells & back into the lake ASAP. The vest idea allow a good angler to get his/her fish in quick & not have to wait for the co-angler to get their bag, often waiting till the end of the session.

    For weight based comps. Any fish that is 50cm or bigger can automatically be given 3Kg for it. Again the early bird will win.

    This concept should stop those anglers that already have 2 big fish in their livewell from continuing to catch more & more fish in the hopes of upgrading by a few grams or millimeters. It will also encourage them to take their 2 Maximum points fish into the weigh-in as soon as possible, thus not keeping the fish in the livewells for hours on end & increasing the fishes survival chances.

    Smaller fish can hack it, but the big girls are the ones that cant & go belly up far far easier. If something along these lines is adopted it would see the fish get less stress from laying in a tray (for measuring) or on scales waiting for the fish to settle so to get a weight. A quick look, yep its over 50, she gets Max points.
    Should also reduce the congested line-up of boats waiting at the end of each session.

    Sure all of these comps all claim to be "non-profit" (fair call but who really ever knows) and give a nominal fee to help with the stocking. That is to be applauded however without something given back to the fishery they'd have little no chance of getting permission from the stocking group without it.

    Does anyone think that if we were to start stocking again from scratch that we could create a great fishery like Somerset is now with only the donations from commercial fishing comps. I definitely don’t think so. Its certainly a good thing to have commercial comps on our stocked lakes, but is it acceptable for the fishery to suffer as a result? Most definitely not.

    Not looking to start a crap fight, simply inviting debate/discussion on the best way to continue commercial comps/tournaments on Lake Somerset with limited impact upon the fishery. I’m sure that if there are a few things that are easily done & will help reduce the impact upon the fishery, everyone would support the changes.


    Garry Fitzgerald
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    SHANE
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    Re: How much is too much?

    Hi Fitzy

    all of the above sounds great

    Somerset is the closest lake to Brisbane to run these sort of comps and amount of comps

    the only thing that will save it over time would (here goes !!) open up whivenhoe to petrol motors on boats
    its close to brissy and big enough

    if it ever happens sit back and watch the groups fight to run the comps there


    just my thoughts
    shane [smiley=speechless.gif]

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    Re: How much is too much?

    ITS NEVER A WIN / WIN SITUATION IS IT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.. TOP EFFORT FITZY FOR BRINGING THE QUESTION TO LIGHT.
    GIVEN THAT THESE FISHERIES ARE PUT AND TAKE AS INTENDED, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR TROPHY ANGLERS, TAGGERS, MEAT EATERS AND COMP FISHERS TO HAVE A POSITIVE AFFECT ON ALL BASS EITHER THE RATS OR LARGER FISH. WE ARE STARTING TO SOUND LIKE THE DPI AND SOON WE'LL HAVE TO INTRODUCE GREENZONES ON THE IMPOUNDMENTS ( HOPE NO ONE IS LOOKING ). YOU IDEAS DESERVE MERIT AND DEFINITELY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THE CATCH RATE OF YELLA'S AND BASS OVER 7 DAYS AT SOMERSET AND WORK OUT THE TAKE VERSUS PUT RATIO.

    DARREN ???

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    Re: How much is too much?

    Who shares wins was the cry of the day by MR Morgan when the bass comps started, now look whats happening,are they destorying summerset ,or just those so called safe rubberies
    that have more don"t than doos just to store them,
    or may be just a dramatic influcks of fishers with gps better sounders and technics ,with many fishing mags telling you how to do everthing ,where to go ,when to go ,how to go,what does everone expect bass comps will win and the efforts and foresight of a small group pepole will not be respected ,as with out them a lot of fishers would still be caseing a 40cm pb.Cheers

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    Re: How much is too much?

    Gidday Fitzy
    Your thought's strike a cord with me as I reckon my closest impoundment ( Bjelke Petersen ) is also over tournamented. We have fished there 3 times in the past 3 weeks for 3 Bass over 40 then zilch zilch. Our observation is that the 30 odd other craft on the water each time had similar zilches. This time last year we were bringing double figue numbers each to the boat.
    My reaction and perhaps others too will wonder about renewing freshwater permits and have a look at the salt water scene ! Maybe a bit premature but this is how it will go unless there is a turn around.

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    Re: How much is too much?

    Well,Well,Well
    How short is our memory,approx 6 pages back I can remember someone saying something about 99% of stock fish are put there to be caught and here I was thinking that wouldn't it be nice to give whatever fish that are left in a near empty dam a chance to hold out till better times come.

    Bring on every comp/tournament for any dam or stocked area how two faced can you be in one breath you say fish till the cows come home and now you don't want to many fishing comp's at Sommerset because they want everyone to catch the big ones(don't remember you saying anything in the poll about putting the big one's back when the dams are low)

    I love to fish I have fished for most of my life, I have fished deep sea,creeks,surf,freshwater,etc the strange thing is I don't like the taste of fish,I can't remember the last time I kept a fish to eat or give someone.

    Fishing is a sport to me and as far as comps go they are nothing more then the old pissing comps we had in primary school.Why don't you ask the DPI to outlaw comps,go on I would love to hear the answer.
    Wizard

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    Re: How much is too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by wizard
    Well,Well,Well
    How short is our memory,approx 6 pages back I can remember someone saying something about 99% of stock fish are put there to be caught and here I was thinking that wouldn't it be nice to give whatever fish that are left in a near empty dam a chance to hold out till better times come.

    Bring on every comp/tournament for any dam or stocked area how two faced can you be in one breath you say fish till the cows come home and now you don't want to many fishing comp's at Sommerset because they want everyone to catch the big ones(don't remember you saying anything in the poll about putting the big one's back when the dams are low)

    I love to fish I have fished for most of my life, I have fished deep sea,creeks,surf,freshwater,etc the strange thing is I don't like the taste of fish,I can't remember the last time I kept a fish to eat or give someone.

    Fishing is a sport to me and as far as comps go they are nothing more then the old pissing comps we had in primary school.Why don't you ask the DPI to outlaw comps,go on I would love to hear the answer.
    Wizard
    Hi Wizard,
    Thanks for the reply.
    There's no need to ask DPI to outlaw comps, as the stocking group can simply veto them.
    One reasons for the questions is to limit any fish moratlity when the comps are meant to zero impact. I've gone to many C & R comps & picked up many a dead fish around the weigh-in/measure-in area afterwards.
    Sure the lakes are stocked for everyone to go catch a fish, be that for a feed or for sport (sometimes both).
    Its not about stopping comps, that all too easy to do, the concern is to work out ways to minimise any un-necessary killing of fish all in the name of winning a few bucks.
    I for one would like to see comps continue, they are a good learning ground for skills & to some are a good social occasion.
    The main question is "how much is too much on one place?"
    I dont know & I dont want to find out the hard way that the fishery has collapsed. I'd love to see Somerset continue to be a top class fishery not just now, but for ever.

    Cheers,

    Fitzy..
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    Re: How much is too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by SHANE
    Hi Fitzy

    all of the above sounds great

    Somerset is the closest lake to Brisbane to run these sort of comps and amount of comps

    the only thing that will save it over time would (here goes !!) open up whivenhoe to petrol motors on boats
    its close to brissy and big enough

    if it ever happens sit back and watch the groups fight to run the comps there


    just my thoughts
    shane [smiley=speechless.gif]
    Hi Shane,
    Agree with you on Wivenhoe. Would be great to have it openned to outboards, even in a limited way either by speed limit, engine size or certain areas. Anything would be a step forward.

    Cheers,

    Fitzy..
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    Re: How much is too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doyley
    Gidday Fitzy
    Your thought's strike a cord with me as I reckon my closest impoundment ( Bjelke Petersen ) is also over tournamented. We have fished there 3 times in the past 3 weeks for 3 Bass over 40 then zilch zilch. Our observation is that the 30 odd other craft on the water each time had similar zilches. This time last year we were bringing double figue numbers each to the boat.
    My reaction and perhaps others too will wonder about renewing freshwater permits and have a look at the salt water scene ! Maybe a bit premature but this is how it will go unless there is a turn around.
    Hi Doyley,
    Thanks for th reply.
    I dont think its dire straights, not by a long shot. Every stocked lake goes through its ups & downs. The main concern is that the fishery is provided for everyone to use, be that to catch a feed (within the laws) or for sport.
    Comps attract anglers that are after fish for other reasons, to win prizes. I've seen many organisers/competitors who treat fish rather poorly once the fish has served its purpose. This I'd like to see change. If wer going to kill the fish, then cut its gills. Many bass that come out of live-wells, particularly big ones, die in the coming days & weeks of a comp. Mainly due to poor handling & being put into live-wells for extended periods.
    If we can address this problems then we can help maintain a better fishery for everyone to enjoy.

    Cheers,

    Fitzy..
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    Re: How much is too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by ipswichfisher
    ITS NEVER A WIN / WIN SITUATION IS IT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.. TOP EFFORT FITZY FOR BRINGING THE QUESTION TO LIGHT.
    GIVEN THAT THESE FISHERIES ARE PUT AND TAKE AS INTENDED, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR TROPHY ANGLERS, TAGGERS, MEAT EATERS AND COMP FISHERS TO HAVE A POSITIVE AFFECT ON ALL BASS EITHER THE RATS OR LARGER FISH. WE ARE STARTING TO SOUND LIKE THE DPI AND SOON WE'LL HAVE TO INTRODUCE GREENZONES ON THE IMPOUNDMENTS ( HOPE NO ONE IS LOOKING ). YOU IDEAS DESERVE MERIT AND DEFINITELY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THE CATCH RATE OF YELLA'S AND BASS OVER 7 DAYS AT SOMERSET AND WORK OUT THE TAKE VERSUS PUT RATIO.

    DARREN ???
    Hi Darren,
    Just asking a question that is on a few folks minds for some time now. I'm not afraid of a bit of flack so I'll throw it up. Only way to get some feedback.

    On the catch put:take ratio. We could well find that we are over stocking Somerset. Who knows? I certainly dont. But based on reccomendations by QFS we are far far under the peak stocking ratio. With Somerset being by far the most fished freshwater location in Qld, the take ratio would have to be high as well.
    No lynch mob or agendas, just looking for folks thoughts on a subject that gets danced around a little.

    Thanks for the feedback,

    Fitzy..
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  11. #11

    Re: How much is too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by ferralflyer
    Who shares wins was the cry of the day by MR Morgan when the bass comps started, now look whats happening,are they destorying summerset ,or just those so called safe rubberies
    that have more don"t than doos just to store them,
    or may be just a dramatic influcks of fishers with gps better sounders and technics ,with many fishing mags telling you how to do everthing ,where to go ,when to go ,how to go,what does everone expect bass comps will win and the efforts and foresight of a small group pepole will not be respected ,as with out them a lot of fishers would still be caseing a 40cm pb.Cheers
    Hi FF,
    Thanks for the reply,
    Who shares wins. Speak to some folks & its attending comps that taught them most of what they know now. Others think its a joke, each to their own.
    For sure, better sounders, GPSs, techniques etc continue to improve angler results. I'm lost without my sounder.
    The ABT comps have at most one comp on Somerset/year. Back a few years when this was the only one going it was fine. Now there's the Stessl Family Bass comps having 6/year, basmania wanting a go & now there's another comp series srating up as well. Will they want one on Somerset also?
    Just trying to guage from the average angler, how many comps they think is too many.
    I dont know but if there's alot of feedback one way or the other then it will help me to give feedback to the stocking group.

    Cheers,

    Fitzy..
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