drag setting 4 jacks

[buddie]

jus wondering how tight 2 set the drag. do i take the chance and let him run a bit or tighten up and hope 2 force him away from snags without being busted off? ive always let every fish run but these jacks are to quick and use it to there advantage. any info on other peoples technices would b great. cheers!

[finding_time]

Lock the drag!!!!! If you give them a meter its all over

Ian

[kleiny]

yeah fish heavy & lock the drag hopefully you won't get busted off
kleiny

[flickflack]

Drag whats that. There is no such thing when fishing for jacks. Drive them out with the outboard on a locked up drag is the best way to go.

[buddie]

thanx guys going up logan in the mornin chasin em so if i hook up ill b givin them all i got!!

[Daintreeboy]

handline..........

[Far_Canal]

90% absolute minimum, i got a little bugger the other day, woulda been around 30cm maybe less, i had mine set at 90% roughly and it took a good couple of meters.

[ancienttinnie]

Give it everything you can you will have to break the line if he reaches the snag, at least with a locked or well tighened drag you have asmall chance of landing the fish. If you are going to use anydrag make sure it is wel tuned and super smooth, I run 13 kilos of drag on 15 kilo line and still get bricked more than I like.

[Roo]

sorry for busting in on your thread buddie, but I'm interested to know how everyone sets their drag :-?
do you use a weight and a straight pull or run thru the guides an load the rod??? :-?
I've tried the latter using a bucket with water for the weight but i was concerned i might overcook it and bust the rod??? :'(

cheers, Roo.

[zedjack33]

How I set the drag.......................ABU overheads + Pliers + Bouble thumb lock

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[kleiny]

i set my drag with the line throught he guides & line hooked onto a set of fishing scales & pull & set to hearts content if your worried about the rob breaking then what would happen if you got that big fish your chasing, buy a better or heavier rod.
kleiny

[Roo]

good point ;D

[flickflack]

For jacks ,if I can pull line off my calcutta by hand its not tight enough, Like zedjack said pliers work great

[A_DIFF_PERSPECTIVE]

Drag settings and line class and reel selection plus hook size all need to be taken into consideration when setting a drag. Yes, jacks are dirty buggers with a sneeky 'run for cover' attitude. No point setting a 10 kg line with a 90 % drag setting, as 'busto' is the outcome with a powerful jack unless the fish swims straight at you all the way to the boat!!,,,,Not likely! a 1 kg jack can generate enough power to bust 10 kg like cotton when using a 90% drag setting as mentioned above. On the other hand, 24 kg or bigger braided lines etc would most likely handle most small to average jacks with a 90 % drag setting and suitable hooks. (pliers or no pliers 90 % is 90%) Now, on saying that, there aren't too many reel brands around on the market that can produce that type of drag settings for lure casting. eg, 90 % of 10 kg line is 9kg of drag. Most reels don't come even close. Now, quite often, jack lures as a rule are smaller, rather than bigger lures, when compared to say big barra lures or mackerel lures and they are usually not capable of carrying a super strong hook to allow say 90 % of drag on say 24kg braid without straightening hooks and losing fish.etc (some lures are big enough)
I think my point here is that line class and lure and hook size has a major bearing on the selected drag setting. No point fishing for big jack or fingermark etc with 15 kg braid and small hooks on small lures. One is only kidding himself when the pliers and 90 % theory is aired with small lures and strong and fast pulling fish.
Ancienttinnie, what kind of reel do you have that generates 13 kg of drag? I only can think of a select few.
Does anyone ever use scales to set drags as most people when they guess, are actually far from the truth.
Most reels that carry braided lines and cast small lures don't allow the line to pack tightly on the spool when lure casting during a retrieve with a light actioned lure. High drag settings on reels with a loosely packed line such as a thin 15 kg braid will bury on a spool under a 90% drag setting resulting in a 'cracking, whip like bust off'. Level winds that don't track with the spool whilst during a cast or whilst line is being peeled under load create a nasty increase in drag pressure once the level wind is on one side of the spool and when the line is pulling off from the other side of the spool. In those cases, which is most bait casting reels, and increase of drag through this problem would put the drag setting at well over 100% of the lines breaking strain resulting in an instant bust off, even from a small fish with momentum.
Yes, i agree, heavy drag settings, and or, thumbing a spool to add extra drag pressure when required is often needed to subdue mangrove jacks. One must be experienced to push a line to 90% of its breaking strain by use of thumbs whilst trying to pull up a jack from reaching cover. Knots need to be perfect and a fool proof choice is needed when opting to fish max drag settings. Guess your drag setting in kg, then apply scales and find the true setting. Most peolpe will be astounded as to how little drag they are actually applying. Test it!
Johnny m

[Jeremy87]

Bl#@dy good reel that puts out 13kgs, of course what even more remarkable is being able to hold 13kgs of drag. bit of quick maths 6 foot rod 13kgs of drag held perpendicular to the way the fish is headed. So thats 1.8 x 13 x 9.8 = 229.32Nm of torque at your rod tip. Say your holding the rod a foot from the but that means your arms are holding 78kgs of tension. Pretty impressive feat.

[Roo]

nnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddd dddd alert!!! ;D ;) :o


sorry jeremy87... I couldn't help myself.












ps. I thought of it too....but to stupid too work it out myself :D ;)

[Roo]

and to stupid too use proper grammer to. ;D

[Jeremy87]

Me fail english. . . . . . . thats unpossible

[finding_time]

Bl#@dy good reel that puts out 13kgs, of course what even more remarkable is being able to hold 13kgs of drag. bit of quick maths 6 foot rod 13kgs of drag held perpendicular to the way the fish is headed. So thats 1.8 x 13 x 9.8 = 229.32Nm of torque at your rod tip. Say your holding the rod a foot from the but that means your arms are holding 78kgs of tension. Pretty impressive feat.

My jigging reel wound up = 18kg drag

Yes it wants to pull you into the briny, but you can hold it! ;)
Ian
Ps.
Jeremy just keep eating you wheat-bix( 6 should do it) you'll get there

[mackmauler]

One of my faviourite spots i lose more with a tight drag that without, i better explain! the same should go for many man made rocky areas, most of the snapoffs happen in the first few seconds as line under considerable tension hits something sharp, barnacle encrusted rocks in this case, by using a long leader around 30kg and keeping the tension low less than 1kg of drag the abrasion is generally only superficial and after the first run the drag can be wound up a notch and by that stage the jack comes in quiet easily, ive used the method to good success on many jacks.

if your spot has vertical structure that the jacks can wrap line around like mangrove roots or pylons then this wont work for you :D

[zedjack33]

Drag settings and line class and reel selection plus hook size all need to be taken into consideration when setting a drag. Yes, jacks are dirty buggers with a sneeky 'run for cover' attitude. No point setting a 10 kg line with a 90 % drag setting, as 'busto' is the outcome with a powerful jack unless the fish swims straight at you all the way to the boat!!,,,,Not likely! a 1 kg jack can generate enough power to bust 10 kg like cotton when using a 90% drag setting as mentioned above. On the other hand, 24 kg or bigger braided lines etc would most likely handle most small to average jacks with a 90 % drag setting and suitable hooks. (pliers or no pliers 90 % is 90%) Now, on saying that, there aren't too many reel brands around on the market that can produce that type of drag settings for lure casting. eg, 90 % of 10 kg line is 9kg of drag. Most reels don't come even close. Now, quite often, jack lures as a rule are smaller, rather than bigger lures, when compared to say big barra lures or mackerel lures and they are usually not capable of carrying a super strong hook to allow say 90 % of drag on say 24kg braid without straightening hooks and losing fish.etc (some lures are big enough)
I think my point here is that line class and lure and hook size has a major bearing on the selected drag setting. No point fishing for big jack or fingermark etc with 15 kg braid and small hooks on small lures. One is only kidding himself when the pliers and 90 % theory is aired with small lures and strong and fast pulling fish.
Ancienttinnie, what kind of reel do you have that generates 13 kg of drag? I only can think of a select few.
Does anyone ever use scales to set drags as most people when they guess, are actually far from the truth.
Most reels that carry braided lines and cast small lures don't allow the line to pack tightly on the spool when lure casting during a retrieve with a light actioned lure. High drag settings on reels with a loosely packed line such as a thin 15 kg braid will bury on a spool under a 90% drag setting resulting in a 'cracking, whip like bust off'. Level winds that don't track with the spool whilst during a cast or whilst line is being peeled under load create a nasty increase in drag pressure once the level wind is on one side of the spool and when the line is pulling off from the other side of the spool. In those cases, which is most bait casting reels, and increase of drag through this problem would put the drag setting at well over 100% of the lines breaking strain resulting in an instant bust off, even from a small fish with momentum.
Yes, i agree, heavy drag settings, and or, thumbing a spool to add extra drag pressure when required is often needed to subdue mangrove jacks. One must be experienced to push a line to 90% of its breaking strain by use of thumbs whilst trying to pull up a jack from reaching cover. Knots need to be perfect and a fool proof choice is needed when opting to fish max drag settings. Guess your drag setting in kg, then apply scales and find the true setting. Most peolpe will be astounded as to how little drag they are actually applying. Test it!
Johnny m

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[Jeremy87]

Yeh you can hold it, but for how long. I'll be the first to admit that i'm not the most solid built guy out there. There is also a big difference between a jigging rod and a baitcaster. One of my other points i probably didn't communicate was that the rod would be reduced to splinters. That is unless you point the rod straight at the fish, in which case the lack of shock absorption and the drag being set at 90% would most certainly break the line.

[fishingnottake]

mate just do what i used to do, long cane rod, bit of 80 pound line tied to the end, can place the bait where you want it within 14 foot of you, and just flick the bastards out when they hit it no drag, little give, worked great until the day a bull shark took my livey... damn i miss that rod :'(

[scatter1]

and i thought the 20lb braid on my abu would be enough

better start saving up for a tiagra and a short stroker ::)

[Gbanger]

I want to troll for jacks this weekend in coombabah creek and pimpama... whats the lightest line and leader you guys would suggest.. ive got some little lucifers and manns 5+ that i picked up for this job, but dont want to lose them by going too light on the tackle

[gogecko]

30lb leader is minimum, 50lb is plenty.

[ancienttinnie]

I have a well tuned and modified Shimano btr6500, the drag components are not original and have been modified severely, I also have an Abu baitcaster that I can get 15 -16 kg of drag on with similar modifications. I have been servicing and repairing reels for many years and have found a selection of parts that work well in the right reels. My drags are set with a spring balance and do the job. I have learned long ago that you must know and trust your gear to do things like that. I would not do it to someone elses reel.

[Mad_Barry]

15kg drag from an abu baitcaster ??.

I've mucked around a bit with them, trying various combinations of washers. The most drag while still smooth came from a set of trimmed down penn carbon ht100 washers to get about 5kg.

During a bit of hard use the frame flexes, after a few sessions the side cover slightly buckles & stuffs the anti reverse bearing. 3 to 4 seems about max to get reasonable life from the reel. (and still able to land plenty of good sized jacks)

Can you fill us in on the trade secrets with what you've done to get 15kg ? :-X

[Cloud_9]

the only reel i know of that has a true 13kg drag capasity is the
Daiwa Black Sheep and they are so expencive its a joke.
and have production run of 250 with maybe a hand full comeing down under.
i have seen 2 of the 300 size and at a cost of around 700-800 dollars.
thats big bucks for the drag capasity.
im haveing troble getting enough drag from a bait caster for barra.
if i could get 4 kgs i'd be stoked.
Cheers cloud 9

[mackmauler]

Jamie, what are you using 4kg is no problem at all in calcuttas and abus ive got.