Best Leader material?

[Tony_N]

I recently found out on this forum that the standard Jinkai is meant to be crimped and that they do produce a knottable leader (though I have never seen it). A couple of years ago I used to use Penn 10X leader and I could go back to that, but somebody also on this site has recently done some tests and found that it is very visible in the water via its light refraction. From memory their tests found that Jinkai and common old green mono (Schneider?) were the best. Anybody got suggestions on this?

I'm talking mostly about material for making Paternoster rigs for bottom bashing outside. I'm inclined to use Japanese "Triumph" flurocarbon shock leader for river fishing and for some other applications including floatlining - but its a bit exy for the number of paternosters I tie. (I'm not very impressed with Vanish either)

Going away for a few days (friend has loaned us his house on the river in Ballina for a few weeks) so might not get back to you immediately - but will check when I can - very interested to get your replies on this one.

cheers

Tony

[Volvo]

Tony, what i do is buy myself 1200 meters of Trilene 37kg for my handline chasing Trout and only spool up about 700/boo meters of it and leave the rest for leader..lasts fer yonks and saves having to buy 50 metr spools of jinkai and far as i'm concerned does just as good..
Good for knots, line that lays flat and good for paternoster rigs..
Priced well also.
Cheers

[Volvo]

Mindya i use that particuler weight for offshore fishing..
Cheers

[wiseguy67]

The best I have found is fluorocarbon: DUEL Aiele SW Shock Leader 20lb to 175lb
It's the best so far.
Hard on the pocket
50m 20lb $26.50
50m of 60lb $39.50

only place to get it is from wellsys tackle dot com
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[Wyoming]

Tony, I'm surprised that you don't particularly like the Vanish. I reckon its the very best of the ducks nuts and it's not too bad on the hip if you buy a 100 m roll. From memory, in 15lb, it is $30 for 100 metres and if you only use it for leader, then it seems to go a long way. What aspect of it don't you like?

I hope Ballina is kind to you - fairly ordinary WX here in Moreton Bay for the next couple of days I fear. I have 2 x Melbourne visitors that I am taking out to the Bay tomorrow, and I hope I can put on a good show for them and provide them with a feed.
Neil

[Huggy_B]

I like Penn 10X or Suffix Braid Buddy (I think they may be the same product, just packaged differently).

But, for the really heavy duty gear for jigging (+100lb), jinkai is my go to.

From all that I have seen and been told, the "visibility" of the line in the water makes no difference whatsoever with marlin being the exception. Their focus and intent is on the bait/plastic/lure and not the line attached to it. Fish simply arent that smart.

[BlitzBaga]

I still like using vanish, it seems tough against abraision.

Cheers
Murray

[Nardin]

I use the Ultra for everything. It is the best line I have ever used. Supple, strong, abrasion resistant and a smaller diameter than regular mono. Don't get the Ultima. It is not supple.

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[Cheech]

I have given up on vanish after a batch that was inconsistent in breaking strain. Now I use surecatch folrocarbon in for 20lb or less. Very abraision resistant. Offshore I still use penn 10x in 80lb.

Cheech

[Fishin_Dan]

I've seen the surecatch F/C Cheech uses, and I have to say I was very impressed! He was using 20lb at the time, and I would've guessed it for 12lb... The amount of fraying it had on it and still held on hard was amazing! Just from that I bought a spool of 80lb of it for offshore leader.

[TinarooTriumph]

Vanish or Yamatoyo id say are the pick. Both very well respected with every1 i fish with.

TinarooTriumph 8-)

[2iar]

Vanish or Yamatoyo id say are the pick. Both very well respected with every1 i fish with.

TinarooTriumph 8-)


I got the impression you're fishing quite heavy Tony?

Yamatoyo's certainly tops, but I've never seen it any heavier than 16lb. Does anyone know if it comes out in heavier classes, say > 40lb ?

Good luck,
Mike

[TinarooTriumph]

I beleive the heaviest it gets Mike is 30lb, dont hold me on it though. The heavier Yamatoyo you must pay quite a dollar for and also locating the stuff in stores i understand is quite difficult. But yes Mike is quite right, Yamatoyo is tops, ive used it, my mates and families use it and we have no concerns about it. Ive seen it used in comps on Tinaroo, Cania, Lenthalls, all over the place, and im suprised that you guys arnt going bonkas over it to tell you the truth.. Mighty fine stuff.

TinarooTriumph 8-)

[falcon01]

I think Yamatoyo is great, but surecatch which can be got from bcf is as good,

[Tony_N]

Tony, I'm surprised that you don't particularly like the Vanish. I reckon its the very best of the ducks nuts and it's not too bad on the hip if you buy a 100 m roll. From memory, in 15lb, it is $30 for 100 metres and if you only use it for leader, then it seems to go a long way. What aspect of it don't you like?

I hope Ballina is kind to you - fairly ordinary WX here in Moreton Bay for the next couple of days I fear. I have 2 x Melbourne visitors that I am taking out to the Bay tomorrow, and I hope I can put on a good show for them and provide them with a feed.
Neil

I should be careful about knocking a product that I haven't given a fair chance. I bought some10lb Vanish a couple of years ago and double uni'd it to 6lb fireline. Every time I 'd tighten up the knot the Vanish would break. I thought the stuff was crap because I "knew" the double uni was the best knot in my arsenal. Since that time I have used it (same batch) with the braid leader knot (aka Stren) and its been OK - but it still makes me nevous.

Been fishing from my mates jetty - lots of catfish and rays (returned), some barely legal bream (returned) , but its good to do some river fishing again. I have my 4.1 poly down there, so will get out onto the river this week. May might be the end of the crabbing season, but I'll try for a few muddies as well. I hear that whiting are going off at woodburn (further upstream)

2iar - not fishing that heavy - 40 lb for my bottom-bashing rigs,

Thanks for your input everybody. I'm thinking Volvo's idea of using the Trilene for the main part of the paternoster - but use a flash Japanes flurocarbon for the short (100-150mm))leader off the main part of the rig. The Triumph I buy is rated at 30lb - don't know yet if they make 40lb.

[Leo_N.]

I just got some Vanish (40 lb) for the first time and found it really stiff. I had to be really careful tying knots, as stiff line doesn't seem to sit as nicely when the knot is tightened. I also had to pull a lot more on the tag ends to get it to tighten down well.

It does seem to be a lot more abrasion resistant than Jinkai though.

[Fishin_Dan]

I just got some Vanish (40 lb) for the first time and found it really stiff. I had to be really careful tying knots, as stiff line doesn't seem to sit as nicely when the knot is tightened. I also had to pull a lot more on the tag ends to get it to tighten down well.

It does seem to be a lot more abrasion resistant than Jinkai though.

I bought a small spool of 12lb Vanish, and found it was the same. Really horrible to tie knots in, and they just didn't want to pull down real tight. Since switching to the Razor line (Yamatoyo I think), never had a problem.

[Tony_N]

I just got some Vanish (40 lb) for the first time and found it really stiff. I had to be really careful tying knots, as stiff line doesn't seem to sit as nicely when the knot is tightened. I also had to pull a lot more on the tag ends to get it to tighten down well.

It does seem to be a lot more abrasion resistant than Jinkai though.

Hey Leo

Welcome back. - Mate, I thought I'd never see you here again. I thought the work ethic had consumed you. There's an old latin phrase - "Illegitemi Non Carborundum" - don't let the bastards wear you down. Maybe the best bit of advice I have ever given you (after the truckies knot)

Tony

[Leo_N.]

I just got some Vanish (40 lb) for the first time and found it really stiff. I had to be really careful tying knots, as stiff line doesn't seem to sit as nicely when the knot is tightened. I also had to pull a lot more on the tag ends to get it to tighten down well.

It does seem to be a lot more abrasion resistant than Jinkai though.

Hey Leo

Welcome back. - Mate, I thought I'd never see you here again. I thought the work ethic had consumed you. There's an old latin phrase - "Illegitemi Non Carborundum" - don't let the bastards wear you down. Maybe the best bit of advice I have ever given you (after the truckies knot)

Tony

Good advice,
I am having a few wins at work, so easier to keep on top of said illegitemi. Not sure of the latin heritage of the saying, mut a good motto none the less.

The new Vanish held up well to a few doggie mackeral on Monday. None of real size but enough to keep the outlaws happy.

[revs57]

I've just discovered Black Magic 40lb and 80lb mono leader...ties well, low memory and good abrasion resistance....still got 120lb Jinkai for leader material on lures but the black magic has been performing well

Found the 40lb & 80 lb Schnieder too stiff...bad memory, very thick line for line class...hard to tie

Very happy so far with the Black Magic

Cheers

Rhys

[Kevin_B]

I too like the black magic, works well and is good in diameter. For my rock fishing, i have a 300m spool of 30lbs Torture for my leaders. Ties knots really well, has fantastic abrasion resistance and is cheap enough to be changed often.

[count_baysea]

jury is still out for me on flourocarbon.
Tried 6-30pd yamotoya/ suffix etc , and my biggest and most fish fish on plastics or lure 10kg longy and 68cm snapper all caught on 20lb daiwa sealine from kmrt. if there hungry they will eat.