Rigging braid

[scraiga]

Can anyone post a link or recommend suitable knots braid in 30lb plus line. Be in knots to join to leader material or to terminal gear. The old blood knot style always slips at around 25-30lb pressure and the uni-knot for joining leader see's the braid dawarfed by heavy leader material. Have heard of people doubling up the braid to compensate. I need knots that can withstand 50lb plus! Anyone know any of the above??
Cheers

[Heath]

I use the bimini twist to make the my double. I give it around 50 twists. Then I use the no-name knot to join my mono leader.

Both knots can be viewed HERE (http://sportsfish.com.au/pages/fishing/animated-knots/animated-knots.html)

The only knot I use to connect braid to terminal gear is the palomar knot.

Have never ever had any of these knots fail under normal fishing conditions.

[charleville]

Then I use the no-name knot to join my mono leader.


Isn't your "no name knot" an Albright knot? :-/

[Heath]

The albright knot has the mono going through the loop of the braid double at the start as well as the end, where the no name knot does not.

[caloundra]

no name knot is also called a
Tony Jones Leader Knot
and it hasn't failed for me
http://www.marinews.com/knot_rigs_detail.php?recordid=71

Daniel ;)

[Kenny]

For a terminal connection, you could try a 12 turn (or more) uni knot. That should hold, and I reckon it would be stronger than the palomar knot.

In fact, I don't even know why some websites reckons that the palomar knot is the strongest. Completely untrue in my own opinion.

[turley]

I personally use a doubled 8x overhand knot to form a loop and connect my leader via a twisted leader knot/ducknose (same as above). Harro has done a few tests with the 8x over hand knot and it displayed pritty much the same breaking point as a well tied bimini, but is about 10x easier to tie! I've also tried the albright but found it hard to pull together in higher breaking strains and the slim beauty can be a good not but i've always struggled to get the braid to pull up evenly.

[onerabbit]

Do you have to have a wind on leader ?, or can you incorporate a swivel???
Maybe because I'm no good at these new-fangled knots, I tie 6ft of leader to a good clip/swivel, & tie to main line as a heavy floater rig. All our bottom rigs are mono clipped to braid.
Just a thought.

Muzz

[Kenny]

Better to tie on a leader, because having a swivel would require 6 foot of leader hanging off the end of the rod, which would be difficult to cast. And also, can't wind the swivel in through the rod guides.

[last_cast]

Scraiga,

Heath is spot on with his advice. I prefer a slight variation of the "no name" knot from Geoff Wilson's book of knots called the "smooth leader knot". This leaves the tag pointing more along the line rather than perpendicular to make it a bit smoother through the guides. It is not any stronger though. The palomar knot is about as good as any for braid to terminal tackle and can be improved by making multiple loops through the eye of your tackle. The uni knot is also quite good if two or three loops are made through the eye before doing the rest of the knot (with at least 10 wraps). Avoid any knots that use a single strand of braid through the eye once.

Cheers

[Cheech]

Kenny, the uni does not work with heavy leaders. The braid part of the knot can slip through the middle of the leader loops.

The no name knot is the go, although I know it as the braid/leader knot. The way it is tied is to loop the braid double around the leader and then bend the leader tag back through the end of the braid loop. Has the same net effect as the no name from what I can tell from the hot link.

Strange that the animated knot site does not show the wind back of the bimini.

[Kenny]

cheech...oh yeah...true. Uni knots won't work for heavy leader. I was thinking that the original post was asking about a terminal connection ...eg braid to terminal. He also asked about braid to leader connection as well. But absolutely right.....uni knot will definitely not be ok for heavy leader.

[NeilD]

Can anyone tell me more about this 8X overhand knot?

Neil

[Kenny]

I'm very interested to find out about this 8x overhand knot too. Thanks!

[scraiga]

Thanks for all the replies guys. Sorry about the delayed thanks. Have been out of town and away from technoloy for a while. Does anyone know where to get a printable guide of some of the forementioned knots??
Cheers

[Tony_N]

*snip*. Does anyone know where to get a printable guide of some of the forementioned knots??
Cheers

Geoff Wilson's Complete Book of Fishing Knots and Rigs has pretty well everything you might need. He has done extensive testing for slipping and breaking and mentions his preferred knots in the book. Available everywhere including K-Mart. Other than that I think google is good. Though there is sometimes conflicting info on the various sites. I have seen for example the albright called a no-name. But then again I have seen wilson call a uni knot where the tag goes between twisted strands before the wraps and another where it goes over both strands.

FWIW I like Bimini to braid-leader knot and I use uni knot for terminals though I'm going to have a look at the centauri for terminals next.

Tony

[Kenny]

try this one ...

http://www.anglers-outlet.com/slim_beauty_knot.htm

I like the braid to mono connection described above. It is not exactly the same as the one described in wilson's book.

[fishingjew]

Try this site

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/braid_fishing_knots.html