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Slider
23-08-2006, 03:23 PM
Having just returned from 9 days at Fraser, I thought I'd give a reasonably thorough report on what is happening there at the moment.

Leaving Teewah at 5am Sunday the 13th and driving on a dead low was able to get through Rainbow Rocks comfortably and be fuelled up at the servo as the sun was coming up. Driving onto the the beach to head to Inskip I could see the water shimmering in close with fish. With a spinning rod ready to go and the school looking like tailor I decided to stop for a flick. 3 casts and 3 choppers and likely more if I'd stayed but I did want to get on the island while conditions were so good.
Once on the island, I drove as far as Poyungan Rocks however before finding any water worth fishing - it is one long low tide channel all the way along the beach. At Poyungan there are several patches of rocks in this channel with whitewater out the back within range for good casters. The first patch of rocks I found had a large school of choppers over it and I beached 15 -20 before going on to the next patch with the tide getting fairly high. There were some better quality fish here but still choppers and with the tide near full I made camp nearby.
First light monday and with my second cast found a good tailor of about 3.5kg and another 4 fish of about the same size followed before the school left the gutter leaving only choppers. The choppers didn't leave the gutter all day and in my pursuits for quality fish probably caught and released 100 of them. Tuesday morning again had some nice tailor of between 2 and 3.5kg early before they went but the gts took over where the greenbacks had left from and 5 nice gts around 2.5kg gave me a lot of fun. The choppers were still there but only hooked up if I accidentally slowed the lure down - they were becoming painful. So having kept one fish it was time to head to Orchid and catch up with Dagwood.
I passed a number of groups fishing on the way north around Cathedral Beach and Dundabarra and just south of Indian. There were some choppers being caught early morning with only dart available by around 8am. Guys using spinners around Happy Valley had had a good morning with a lot of choppers being cleaned as I went through.
Met up with Darryl at Orchid and renewed aquaintances with Ken and Kay who had lived in Teewah some time ago. Darryl more or less covers the next 3 days in his post including mention of fuel incidents that just aren't important in the scheme of things, but I guess if you can't report on the fish you're catching ......
Friday I parted company with Darryl and the boys at Poyungan with the tailor still chewing in front of us. So I spent the afternoon playing with them but finding nothing better than about 2kg. Next morning at first light had some quality tailor between 3 and 4 kg ready to take the lure as soon as it landed. I'd beached 6 really fat and obviously carrying roe tailor before they were replaced by a large school of 2kg fish which kept me entertained for a couple of hours before I started to really knock up. From then it was a case of catch tailor for an hour and rest for an hour. With the smaller high tides the gutter was fishable all day and it held fish all day. On dusk some nice healthy tailor around 3kg invaded the gutter and created havoc amongst all the other fish which started fleeing in all directions. After beaching the 2nd one and cramping badly between the shoulder blades it was game over for the day.
Next morning was the same in that there were good tailor early and then choppers if you couldn't avoid them after that. A few gts around 2kg didn't have a problem with the fast lures though. At that stage a few guys from the Pine Rivers Soccer Club turned up for a weeks camping at Browns Rocks. I'd already warned them that the fishing at the top had been very bad but they either didn't believe me or just wanted that Cape experience. So off to Browns we went.
Ngkala Rocks is a bit tricky at the moment with a large hole formed at the base of the run up to the South Ngkala crossing. Many vehicles (including 3 attempts by me earlier in the week) had been having trouble here and it had dug out further. Some just weren't getting through it and there were many damaged vehicles from their attempts. And not that it was really worth getting through from a fishing point of view as hardly anything other than a few small dart, the very odd chopper and 1 or 2 trevally were caught north of here in my time on the island. Stayed at Browns for 2 nights and despite working fairly hard with spinners and poppers here and at the cape wasn't able to raise a scale. The boys with baits were only finding the odd dart but things were starting to look a little better than earlier in the week when no fish were visible at all. Whiting were very sparse with one local getting only 2 fish from a day at the cape.
Tuesday morning I left the boys at Browns to head back down to Poyungan. On the way down there were lots at Cathedrals cleaning tailor but nothing being caught other than dart. Poyungan was again loaded with choppers but after beaching 7 or 8 I'd had enough and decided the comforts of home were next on the agenda.

Techniques used - Nearly all the choppers were caught on slow lures or lures retrived quickly early and then slowed. Most of the greenbacks were caught on flat out retrieves and the rest on 'drop backs'. The gts all on fast lures.

Slider size - I used 65 gram Sliders early and late for larger fish or on fuller tides when extra distance was required to reach the whitewater. 45 gram Sliders did the job the rest of the time other than around dead low when I used the 40 gram to reduce body stress further.
Conditions the whole time I was there were near perfect with 2 separate small groundswells adding the vital whitewater component. Winds were mostly westerlies with a sea breeze in the afternoon.

I kept 3 fish in all, one of which Darryl mentioned was consumed with reefies and was just as good or better than the reefies and the others I gave to a friend that was struggling to find fish on Orchid.

A very enjoyable week and one helped by the company of Darryl, Craig, Steve and Harry - almost had a tear in my eye when you drove off (I'd have to cook my own meals from now on).

While the gutter formations with rock in them last around Poyungan and Yidney then the tailor will keep going into them. They chewed right through the moon phase although the quality dropped a bit with the slack tides. North of Indian will remain inconsistent and depends greatly on what the netters do.

Sorry for the lack of photos of fish but fish won't survive out of water long enough for a photo and still be released. With the majority of fish being in roe, I don't like to keep them.

Lindsay

Slider
23-08-2006, 03:24 PM
Where I was mainly fishing in relation to Poyungan.

Slider
23-08-2006, 03:25 PM
Where I was mainly fishing - photo taken on a fairly high tide

Slider
23-08-2006, 03:26 PM
Ken and Kays place - Orchid

Smailesy
23-08-2006, 03:44 PM
great read again mate its great to be able to catch fish all day good stuff

Just_chips
23-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Top report Lindsay, I'm starting to look forward to our annual trip to the Island on the September school holidays and a report like that will have me daydreaming at work all day for the next 5 weeks before we leave. Was there any sign of weed on the beach this year? The last three years that we have been going it has had a big impact on when where and how you fish.


Cheers Kev

Gorilla_in_Manila
23-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Great read Lindsay.

Almost felt like I was there ..... which is doing nothing good for my homesickness. :'( ;)

Interested in your comments on the GTs. Was planning to have a go for them when up there in Oct. Any particular tide that is best?

I've been scouring the web for a few days but hard to get a definitive idea on how to target them. Sort of got a vague impression that fast retrieved poppers on a rising to full tide might be the go. Do you need the white water around for them also?

Sounds like you had a great time, but you gotta try pretty hard to not have a good time on fraser I reckon.

Cheers
Jeff

shabss
23-08-2006, 04:34 PM
some good tailor there man

Poodroo
23-08-2006, 05:12 PM
Well done. You must have been there when I was there. I only came back last Saturday. The fishing was great and I will return next year for sure. I went with a group of people and the fishing is great but the socializing is almost on par.

Poodroo

chicken
23-08-2006, 05:17 PM
Great reading that sounds like a top holiday

elephrez1
23-08-2006, 05:36 PM
Great reading that sounds like a top holiday

YEAH I HEARD THAT

Slider
23-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Just Chips

Was something that I forgot to mention was the weed. There were small patches of it in places and at times I was plucking it off my line each cast. Orchid had several patches at the southern end early in the week, but by Sunday there were patches at Ngkala. I would expect that with this warm weather that it will proliferate quite quickly and by October be a problem again. Sad news I know. All those people that said we'll be free of it this year quite simply didn't know what they were talking about - it was always going to arrive at some stage before christmas.

Gorilla, I'd go along with rising tide for gts in the surf as a general rule but any tidal change can produce. They love poppers as is well known, but in the surf it is hard to get enough distance. I mucked around with poppers at Poyungan but the choppers would be on to them as soon as they land. Got sick of releasing damaged fish and gave them away. Fast slugs have always worked for me over rocks or at Sandy Cape where the spit is. Poppers at the cape can work well especially with a southerly pushing the cast. Browns Rocks is the gt capital of Fraser when the netters aren't about. Nothing better in spinning than to be stopped in your tracks by a decent trev. Always stop the retrieve on the edge of the gutter as they will often hit then.

Linds

Oh, and that wasn't a holiday - it was work.

Deiter
23-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Oh, and that wasn't a holiday - it was work.

great read once again Lindsay, although, if that is what you call work, "I want your job!!!! ;)

Cheers,
Damo

Just_chips
23-08-2006, 06:28 PM
Certainly is dissapointing news about the weed. But it is still a family holiday for us and we choose to go in September with the kids on school holidays but there is alot more to Fraser than on ocean beach. If I was to go on a purely fishing based adventure I would be going at this time of year before it heats up too much for sure. Besides if you are willing to travel a bit up and down you can often find a gutter without weed to fish in, and if all else fails then the western side of the island can turn on some fantastic fishing as well.

Anyway thanks for the info.

Cheers Kev

Gorilla_in_Manila
23-08-2006, 06:40 PM
Thanks for the reply and info Lindsay.

Couple of years back I made myself a couple of poppers out of dowel to get them a bit heavier for land based surf casting. Also made one with a popper head and pink squid skirt that has a hidden sinker under the skirt just above the wire loop that I attached the hooks on. Haven't really given them a good run apart from a few practice casts. Good long cast and can keep them up on the surface with the rod tip held up a bit and a fast retrieve. Might have to give them a bit more swim time this year. :)

Also made a couple of bibbed lures and chiselled out a hole in the guts and glued some lead inside; again to get more cast distance for the surf. Didn't quite get the bibs right though, so they wouldn't swim properly. So fixing them up is another project waiting for me when I get back to aus next. :P

Hope there isn't too much weed up there at end oct this year. Was the worst I've seen it last year when we were there. That was part of the reason I haven't given the poppers much of a run before this.

Just went over my little Fraser map and can't find Browns Rocks. Where are they?
No need to answer that, just found them with a google. ::)

Cheers
Jeff

StevenM
23-08-2006, 08:07 PM
Good read Slider

Sounds like a good time

Cheers

Steven

finding_time
23-08-2006, 08:28 PM
Great report as usual Lindsay ;)

Every post i read twice just incase i miss anything ,great stuff

Ian

lunatic
23-08-2006, 08:51 PM
I love Fraser

NeilD
23-08-2006, 09:37 PM
Great read Lindsay [smiley=2thumbsup.gif]

All those fish over 3kg must put a dent in the theory that flesh baits are the best way to score good sized Tailor


Sounds like you had a ball ;D.


Cheers

Neil

jackash
23-08-2006, 10:56 PM
Awesome stuff mate, heading up at the end of Seppy and PRAYING that the damn weed aint there. Just clear out for a week and I'll be a happy man!!! Hoping to get into some thumping tailor on the slugs, and having a crack for some substantial fish with slab baits.... but thats only a viable option if the weed aint there.
Great report.
Cheers
Jackash

snappa
24-08-2006, 08:12 AM
bugga..

how about a pic of the 4x4 ...is it a ute..

:o
its me i just like loooking at "setups"

&
:o
any chance of pics of the lures...


a photo is a thousand words to me.. :o..i dont read alot ..... ::)

snappa
24-08-2006, 08:13 AM
..........
reading your post i thought i was back at fraser .. but then i looked out the window .. :-/

Slider
24-08-2006, 09:06 AM
No worries Snappa.

I was self contained all week so I could be mobile. Swag, 2 burner stove, etc - and with the weather being so kind it was very enjoyable. Also there was hardly anybody camped near Poyungan so had the place to myself most of the time.

Pics of Sliders etc to follow.

Slider
24-08-2006, 09:09 AM
Low tide at Poyungan - note the amount of rock in the water. Lost only 2 lures to rocks. Quite a few more than that to fish however.

Slider
24-08-2006, 09:10 AM
Sliders

Slider
24-08-2006, 09:14 AM
Opposite facing single hooks are definitely the way for big tailor on all metal lures. Choppers were swallowing 5/0 hooks without any problems.

Slider
24-08-2006, 09:23 AM
The old lux has done some work since new. 340000km and going strong.

fish2eat
24-08-2006, 09:45 AM
great report mate, whetting my appetite for an October trip...pity about the weed, but we'll keep an eye on the winds between now and then. Have to get some more metal from you before I go though.

Obviously you couldn't fish in the closed area, which will be open in Oct, so another option there.

What's with the bar stool in the pic....you getting lazy or old ??? ;D ;D

Stu

fishingbarry
24-08-2006, 10:04 AM
Linds,
I need some more sliders as well anywhere local (brissy) I can get them yet mate .
Cheers
Barry

Slider
24-08-2006, 11:00 AM
Stu, the stool works a treat - can sit on it to make up Sliders on the tray; sit on it and drink beer, read the paper on the filleting board or just sit on. Also easy to get off to grab another beer which can happen a few times each day. Spose it's all part of being lazy and getting old.

Sorry I missed you at Teewah Barry. How did you go - looks fairly barren down there.
Mate, Mossops at Wooloongabba have just started stocking the Sliders but that's a bit out of the way for you. Wide A Wake Tackle at Noosa Harbour might be a better bet if I'm not here next time you come up.

I've posted a topic in the camping section titled 'Fraser Camping Fines' this morning which should be of interest to anybody camping there. And I was mild in my comments despite the depth of feeling I have on various issues on Fraser. Didn't even touch on beach closures and fishing closed seasons which I'll save for the near future.

Lindsay

Big_Ren
24-08-2006, 01:18 PM
Top report Lindsay. It is always an easy read and you capture the atmosphere of the trip brilliantly. Might have to try some of your sliders I feel. I live on the Sunny Coast at Kawana. Anywhere near me, or is Noosa the easiest mate?

Cheers
Paul

Slider
24-08-2006, 04:27 PM
Something else that I forgot to mention in my report but was reminded of a short while ago while spinning for tailor in front of Teewah. The tailor at Fraser that I was getting and especially the better quality fish, all spooked very easily. It was very rare, apart from small choppers to be able to get 2 fish in a row on the same retrieval line. It was imperative to move one way or the other by 20 - 30 metres to find the fish again after any hook up, beached or dropped. As long as I kept moving I kept getting fish. The same happened down here before where with the first cast over a fairly extensive reef in the channel on a lowish tide, I saw 6 - 10 decent tailor after the lure and hooked up and beached 1. The next cast had no followers and neither did the next. So I moved to a different area of reef and hooked up again with several fish vying for the priveledge. Same deal again with the next 2 casts before moving and hooking a third. At that stage the gutter behind me which was chest deep on the way out on an incoming tide was starting to look like it could hold bream and dart so I did the Fishing Barry and mostly swam back across, stirring up some good sized lizards on the inshore side of the gutter. The tailor were lovely clean fish between 55 and 60cm and weighing about 2kg. There are 2 very fresh fillets in the fridge to be consumed with bush lemon tonight.

Slient
24-08-2006, 04:49 PM
Oh what a feeling... ;D and it's good to get you back and fill the report
What a paradise out there

Happy fishing
Silent

dagwood
24-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Lindsay, Glad to see you made it back safely. Mate makes me feel a lot better knowing you actually lose some sliders to rocks. I thought I was the only one that was going to keep you in repeat business.Had a great time although I think you have created a slider junkie out of Craig. He has had me out at stores looking at high speed reels and fast taper rods as soon as we got back. Has declared he no longer needs to buy pillies to catch tailor.He is heading back up with his family in September and if he can't get hold of you by then he is going to borrow all my sliders. Once again thanks for the company and the benefit of your experiences. Hope to catch up with you in the near future.

Darryl

PS How's the fuel consumption.

Slider
24-08-2006, 07:23 PM
It's a bit of a gamble as you know Darryl when retrieving over rocks and using 'drop backs' to entice a strike, as to how long you can stop the retrieve and allow the lure to sink before cranking again. And yeah mate every now and then you have to get caught out. Some more than others it would appear. :) Mind you I was pretty happy with only losing a couple given the number of casts over the week. (5 days @ 200 per day x 100 metre retrieves at Poyungan alone?) Sh!t - that's 100km! With let's say conservatively 300 fish out of that thousand retrieves - no wonder I was bloody sore! Especially when a mate I hadn't seen in a long time who was fishing at Poyungan lost 2 slugs in 10 minutes. Same guy was getting a number of big flathead and a 6lb stargazer on a full tide in front of Poyungan.
We'll make sure Craig has some Sliders before he heads up again in September. And he's right - now that he knows what's required to a fair extent with the spinners, he doesn't need to take pilchards. That was part of my initial motivation to use spinners at Fraser. I think what Craig would be looking for in a rod may not be available off the shelf - we'll talk more on that one. I still believe that the tss-4 is the best value to be had in a fast retrieve spinning reel for the surf and there are some good prices on those around at the moment. Hopefully he replaces that right lense in his sunnies that he lost in the surf without realising, with a polarised lense for spotting rocks in gutters.
On rocks in gutters - I was surprised to see at Connors Corner north of Waddy, a number of guys spinning lures 100 - 200 metres away from the very large patch of rocks that is in good water there and amongst the bait fishermen. Nobody was getting anything anyway including ourselves over the rocks, but if you've got a choice between spinning over rocks or not, then take the rocks near on every time I would have thought. Perhaps it was too far to walk from their vehicles.
Fuel is all good mate and the truck finally got a wash today before I took it fishing down the beach. Nice blend of sand colours on my front lawn now and a fair bit of coffee rock from Ngkala.How were you're tailor?

Lindsay

snappa
24-08-2006, 07:42 PM
slider

here is a pic of my old beast .. travel the island and camp any where mainly where the fishing was ... backup high and sleep the nite for a early start next morn ....


did this for 13 years ...... sh*t i miss the old truck ... :( :(

dagwood
24-08-2006, 07:43 PM
Lindsay, The tailor were great. Had some for tea on the Friday night. Beauuuuutiful. We had a look at rods and reels at BCF and the guy there was plugging the Okumas (I think that is the right name) over the TSS4. What is your opinion. The Okuma had a slightly higher retrieve rate. About 6 to 1 I think. As for the rods I think you are right. The fast tapers had mostly small runners especially that first one. The guy was saying that they were big enough but after using and comparing your rods with the one I had on Fraser I am more inclined to go with your thoughts. We will make sure we get the right gear as the extra distance and better retrieval rates you were getting certainly made a difference. The only thing is I will have to build up the muscles a bit. I will just alternate the hand I am holding my beer with.

Regards Darryl

snappa
24-08-2006, 07:44 PM
here is a pic of the tent i had made to clip onto the side if i wanted to stay a couple of nites in the one place ... use it now for a mess tent ..sometimes...

Slider
24-08-2006, 08:20 PM
You did it in style Snappa! Even got the slide out kitchen table. Those little additions can go a long way when you're working the beaches and need to be mobile. A good mate who is in the Sliders with me (Tinfish) and who coincidentally makes Snapper Fridges has the slide out kitchen table with the kitchen sink with running water. There's nothing better than being on the beach with everything you need at your fingertips. Beer, food, tackle and beer.

Not happy with my Okuma Darryl. Found it non - user friendly on several counts. Can't recommend that move.
I don't believe that the rod needs to be particularly long to get good distance. It is probably more important that the runners are appropriately sized and spaced and that the person casting it can achieve good flick with the rod tip without it being too weak to send weighty lures. To be taken into account is the weight of the rod which can become tiring if too heavy. There are blanks available in the 10 - 11 feet area that are light, have a fairly fast taper and are strong enough to send 65 gram slugs without trauma but are ideal for 40 - 55 gram slugs. And they can really send the slug with relatively little effort and good technique.
Obviously the longer the rod (to a point), the further that the lure can be cast with the increased leverage. But the angler still needs to be able to use that rod to its potential to gain any benefit from it and can end up casting worse than with a smaller, more manageable size.
The tss-4 will balance well enough with any spinning rod providing technique is correct and butt length is not too short.
I'm sure Ken at Eagle Ray Rods would have something suitable and a very good awareness of what is required and how to set it up. Anyone wishing to speak with Ken about spinning rods should mention Slider Specials and he will have a good idea where to head from there regarding runner configurations. He'll probably put the price up but it will be a nice rod.

straddy77
25-08-2006, 02:43 PM
nice work mate. ive heard mixed reports about the tailor being a bit poor this year

Slider
25-08-2006, 05:42 PM
The boys that I camped with at Browns just called in on their way home. The fish came in on Tuesday afternoon after I left and they found plenty of tailor at Ngkala for the rest of the week on Sliders. They were also keen to show me a photo of a spaniard that was taken on a Slider at Ngkala yesterday that went I think 13kg. The photos will be emailed to me and I'll put them up. They dropped another one this morning apparently on a slider. That's not sposed to happen :-X