portable trees

[fastmantis]

Gday all,
i just new to this section of ausfish so thought i would say gday and ask a question while im at it. Im looking for the product that i remember being called the portable tree used for winching when u r in sand and no other vehicle is around and can't attach to anything else solid. Anyone know of this where and how much if not other metheds used in this situation other than a shovel and hard work. Oh yeah i drive an 89 Patrol 4.2ltr 5spd. Thanks to all

Mantis

[seabug]

Have not heard of the portable tree.

But if nothing else is available you could bury your spare tyre in the sand and use as an anchor point.
That is if you are still bogged after you have tried letting your tyres down to about 18lbs.
Good idea to have a Big Red ,or similiar ,compressor on board if you are Outback
Regards
Seabug

[blaze]

they used to use a simular idea for pulling and winching army trucks.
never seen them in real life but have read about the theory.
dont know if this will work

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------------v ------ ----------poles
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v = vechile
the poles are driven into the ground at 45 degrees angle away from the vehicle and the the winch is connected around the poles so that each pole pulls and anchors the one in front of it, cant quite remember how the rope goes or it may be 3 or 5 poles in the ground. They have a loop in the top of these steel poles and they are about 30 inches long and the shape of a crowbar.
thats the basic princple and my head is fuzzy on the facts as presented.
As alan said burying a tyre works to and have used this method.
did you know you can pull start a suziki by jacking one rear wheel, wrap the rope around tyre, 3rd gear and pull the rope (done this, bogged middle of nowhere, stalled with a flat battery). Now thats some useless info for ya
cheers
blaze

[freefish]

Sold a Bruce anchor off the yacht to a bloke who wanted it for recovery in sand. Said it was the best as the Bruce anchors were designed to dig in when strain is applied. Evidently lightly dig in the anchor & then when the strain comes on it digs in deeper. Less work than burying the spare. Haven't tried it myself yet. My thoughts are that an ordinary sand anchor could work nearly as well & most boats have one of those.

[Elysium]

You can purchase purpose built "sand anchors" for 4wd recovery. They are designed to dig into the sand/ground when force is applied (by winching in).

I wouldnt put too much faith in a boat anchor holding together enough to pull a potential 2 tonne vehicle (plus added force of resistance) out of a bog.

I have seen an 8000lb rated winch cable snap on a sand bog recovery...would you put your faith in a boat anchor to hold up against that strain...dam sure I wouldnt.

Because unless you are using the plasma winch rope, when the cables snap....both ends become nothing short of missles!

[akman1]

Has'nt anyone watched Russell Coight and his adventures in the outback?
Has a good one of digging his tyre in the sand ;D ;D ;D ;D

[fastmantis]

Thanks all for the replies great idea about the spare also i guess the cheapest option will use that i think if i have to until i check out the anchor option. thanks

Mantis

[boats]

Just read your dilemma.

Went to Google Aus. Typed in 4x4 Anchor and guess what

http://www.anchorright.com.au/productCategoryLandAnchor.php?id=aus

Try it SARC have been around for years. Fourbys 4x4 @ Moorooka also have one in their showroom.

Mike

[rebelone]

Just back from FNQ trip (2 months) and have just logged into the site for the first time in this period. I know this is an old thread but is of interest to me so I will renew it. I am with the local S.E.S. and we do heaps of beach recoveries so we bought one of those a few years ago and they are called "Portable Rescue Tree". Only used it a couple of times in training and then confined it to the junk heap, biggest waste of $450 ever. In soft sand it just burried so deep into the sand we had to dig it out and it still wouldn't allow us to winch the vehicle along soft sand (weren't bogged either). The winch just pulled it deep and then along under the sand like a bloody mole. Another problem we found with this and other holdfasts ( correct terminology for things burried or driven into the ground for winching anchors ) is that unless you use a long winch cable and therefore a very flat angle between the holdfast and winch, the tendancy is for the winching to pull the vehicle down on it's front suspension. An anchor point at the same height as your winch works much better. ;)

[OISTA]

http://www.blackpete.com.au/sarca_prt.html

http://www.anchorright.com.au/productCategoryLandAnchor.php?id=aus

[Lucky_Phill]

Another problem we found with this and other holdfasts ( correct terminology for things burried or driven into the ground for winching anchors ) is that unless you use a long winch cable and therefore a very flat angle between the holdfast and winch, the tendancy is for the winching to pull the vehicle down on it's front suspension. An anchor point at the same height as your winch works much better. ;)

That is a great piece of advice rebelone.

And thanks to the rest for the links and info.

Phill