Juniors

[bo_sawyer]

Hey fella's
Here's a poll to see who is and isn't interested in a kid's colum. I already know a few kids that would find it useful and i think it would be too.
Thoughts are appreciated and ideas would be even better.
Cheers
(PS, thanks for the idea JB)

[jaybee]

yeh i like the idea maybe the youngsters can teach us old dogs a few new tricks..and hey then maybe we might be able to help as well. Gotta get behind our future fishers to make sure fish are there for their future fishers ;D mmm i remember a long time ago somewhere in a post someone threw the idea around of starting up a bank of old gear for new fishers..what happened with that idea ??? maybe one weekend ausfish can run a fishing clinic like sunfish..
cheers

[bo_sawyer]

Cheers jaybee

[scroman]

I'd be a hypocrit if I didn't vote for this - think it's a top idea. the world is full of learning - regardless of age.
Young guys like yourself give the others the inspiration and committment to push for the protection and development of our natural resources - keep it up guys!!!
Scroman.

[dunc]

Yeah a kids section would be good because us kids could talk about aspects of fishing with other juniors.

That s my thought anyway
Duncan

[mackmauler]

Not sure what can be improved by having a kids column, knowledge is relative to everyone, fishing is nothing to do with age, I used to catch more fish in my early years because I could fish more, didn't no how to use a computer then, Is there anything specific bo that you can't find mainstream ???

[Gazza]

Not sure what can be improved by having a kids column, knowledge is relative to everyone, fishing is nothing to do with age, I used to catch more fish in my early years because I could fish more, didn't no how to use a computer then, Is there anything specific bo that you can't find mainstream ???

Hi MackMauler and BO :D :D :D :D

Bo , I'm the bad guy http://www.ausfish.com.au/chat/images/smilies/cwm36.gif,who just voted "not a good idea" http://www.ausfish.com.au/chat/images/smilies/cwm38.gif

I think MM put the words sorta 'right' , ya can "get it all"......mainstream! http://www.ausfish.com.au/chat/images/smilies/cwm15.gif


Only "simple suggestion" I can offer, would be to give you little guys ,some age identification in the profile section (to the left) e.g. 13 or 14 or simply <16 maybe?,so us old-ish know-it-alls (me included) ,can pretend to be on our best behaviour....

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Regards
Gazza ;)

[scroman]

Back again!
Heard a good quote once "traet kids as the adults you want them to become"
At the end of the day we have a group of young people saying that they would like the opportunity to converse about fishing issues on their level - who are we to say this is not necessary?
Maybe they don't want to get involved in political issues - that's their choice - I read from a lot of you blokes that have a huge amount of experiene and time on the water that youth can't at this stage compare with - what is wrong with haveing a youth column moderated by experience that helps clarify and explain concerns? No doubt mainstream provides thousands of answers and explainations - sometimes it's not such a bad idea to make those of lesser age and experience feel a little more included and valued!
Just my thoughts obviously.
Scroman

[bo_sawyer]

Hey Gazza and Mackmauler,
It's not use older blokes having to go on best behaviour or what ever. Just
Some place were kids could learn the basics of things. I'd probaly be the only junior here that knows what the RIS is! you's sometimes forget
(not all of ya's)
that we won't get half of the things you talk about. Kid's colum would just be a place were we could talk about things in our way.
Hope you change your mind about the idea.
Cheers.

[bo_sawyer]

By the way
Fishing in my point has got something to do with age in a way. The older you get the wiser to. I never use to catch fish, but i got told first hand, and now i get my fare share of fish. Thats what I won't to happen to the other young fellas, BUT at an even earlier age. If the youth of fishing has a smart mind on fishing for the future, then there will be more fish left for our kid's and grand children.

[bo_sawyer]

And i hope i haven't offended any one, I know there are some excellent young fishos out there

[mackmauler]

Who provides the basic info Bo, the kids might not no and the big fellas might not read it ??? I'm sure us bigger boys would do our best to answer any questions you'd have. Rob

[SteveCan]

I can see little harm and only good to come of it. I would be interested to see what the young Turks have to say.

We all have something to learn
We all have something to teach.

Cheers
Steve. :D

[jaybee]

as a father i can see where bo is coming from..as much as a youngster likes to hang with dad they still need their peers..i can remember as a kid fishing with my dad ..my brothers ..my whole family..then there have been times with just my friends my own age...good way for the youngsters on the board to get to know each other as well and possibly make future fishing friend ...instead of mingling with the mainstream
cheers.

[imported_admin]

Will see how the vote goes but personaly do not think that it is a good idea to have a kids section.

1. If someone doesn't know something they should ask. If you don't know - ask. If they want to discuss something then discuss it. Shouldn't matter how old anyone is everyone should be treated equal.

2. Questions and answers would end up being in different sections of the chat boards, EG - General or Saltwater as well in Juniors.

3. By creating another section also creates extra work for the moderators.

4. By setting up a section for people under a certian age also decriminates against people above a certian age. As anglers it shouldn't matter if you are male, female, 12 or 112, we can all learn from each other.

5. In setting up such an area can also attract certian types of people that are not welcome on the chat boards, but sadly they do exist in the world and on the Internet.

[BOMBER]

Hi All,

I know what Bo is saying as both Randall and myself have gone to many fishing clubs etc doing our House Of Lures presentations and found that very few kids attend these presentations when the question is asked about the juniors the answer comes back that we don't cater to their level of fishing (ie) don't want to spend the time to teach the juniors or don't have the capacity to do so.The other most common response is that the numbers of juniors in the area interested in fishing doesn't warrant a junior membership. I see this as more a cop out than anything else there are plenty of juniors out there who love fishing but feel intimidated by the older fisho for no other reason than a age thing or not having access to these type of fishos. I also see Steves point re the junior forum and the undesirable element, so there is no quick fix but what I can suggest is that maybe we should have a Ausfish junior day just as said in a previous post the sunfish deal THE TAKE A KID FISHING programme but through this medium. I for one would be happy to volunteer THE HOUSE OF LURES as a contributor to this and would also be happy to answer any junior anglers questions if they feel the need to ask me one. I'm not any sort of Guru but have learnt a great deal from fishos such as Rod Harrison, Gary Fitzgerald, Brett Finger, George Voisey the list goes on. So I think in short term something can be done through this forum to help the junior anglers that reside here without the need for a separate forum.

Regards,

THE BOMBER

[bo_sawyer]

Hey guys,
wasn't pressuring the idea or anything, it was just an idea i had. And i wouldn't want to be responsible for giving the moderators more work either. And IF we did have one, i would be happy to do any of the work im capable of and allowed to do. Even if it means running the hole thing.
Cheers.

[gruntahunter]

Hey fellas, I think Steve (AUSFISH) is right. You young fellas should just join in with us old farts and we can learn something from each other because the fish don't know how old the person holding the rod is...now does he?
Just on a different note, there is book called "my mate moby" which is about a whiting that could talk, and I'm sure you youngans would really enjoy reading it as would the ancient variety so see if you can find it and have a read.

[bo_sawyer]

i'm not that young mate lol

[jaybee]

good thoughts bomber..i can also see where ausfish is coming from..however if there was a specific area for the youngsters to ask a question it may be easier for us older folks to answer them..no pressure bo..i have seen some of your previous posts and some answers even confused me..guess what i'm saying is if a post is up in a certain area and you know the person is under a certain age we could be less technical..or maybe even a special icon for the youngsters ausfish?? nothing ventured nothing gained..see what the end result is..you may end up with a win / win situation bo and ausfish
cheers.

[bo_sawyer]

Thanks JB,
I reckon that a special icon would probaly help alot, then (as you said) use older blokes could explain things in less technical terms. Sometimes use do explain things pretty complicated and i rekon you shouldn't have to change that for us kids. But a special icon thing would probaly solve this problem and would be easy as well
Cheers

[Big_Kev]

I feel that one of this sites greatest attributes is that has full involvement
of all its members without prejudice .
Everyone respects the oppinions of others and gives them fair play .
It is a good family orriented site,with a G rating .And I would have no fear at my own son being involved .
Although I have not yet seen it but should any problem arrise the membership would soon take it to hand so to speak .
I have no problem with the junior membership interacting with the seniors as per current situation .
I do not feel that for them to have a board of their own would reflect upon the true value of what we have here .
I will for one give them the greatest of encouragement and assistance in helping them to become a better fisherman and can only hope that everyone else will do the same .
Keep up the good work all the juniors ,
Regards Reel Hard .
PS Good call on the icon idea JB . Maybe it should be placed on all us older fellas but so the young fellas know when they are talking to a geriatric and can talk in a language we can understand .

[scroman]

Hey Bo - nice way to generate discussion!!
Gotta agree with JB - an icon would be a simple solution in how us older guys should assist in adapting our explainations. When you are passionate (and to a degree knowledgeable) about a topic it is very easy to let your tongue run faster than your mind and before you know it you've confused everyone and forgotten what the question was.
ReelHard is right - as we are all passionate about fishing and protective of it's future we are all responsible for education and learning.Us older guys were probably largely influenced by our fathers or grandfathers and even in todays age of tecnology we can still reflect back to "when i was your age we ....." Sometimes that's the easiest form of explaination.
Good on ya Bo for raising the issue - it is apparent from the number of replies that people of all ages value our young guns - get in to it and enjoy it!
Scroman

[bo_sawyer]

Scroman,
thanks for all of the encouragement mate
Cheers

[Big_Kev]

Yep definitly good post BO .
Good to see juniors having a go at speaking their mind , and saying what they believe .
cheers Reel hard .

[Harrya]

Hi all I feel that I would like to agree with what has been said by JB Realhard and others on the same theam.
Let the younger one's have there say
without discrimnation.
if they would like to have a badge or something to let us older foge's know that it is the younger generation we are addressing so be it.
And that my 2cent worth aey.
Harrya

[bo_sawyer]

thanks for the comments harrya, although i agree with most of your comments, it has got nothing to do with discrimination. Use older guys do treat us as equals, but thats the problem... Use talk to us in complicated terms. And of course you mean well but we can get confused.
Cheers.

[blaze]

Hi all
I send a private message to the admin on the subject of the youngins havin their own forum when the kids first started posting.
My thoughts at the time is so they had a sense of ownership, but after the reply i received from admin i was extremely happy with the response i recieved.
Maybe the icon idea is the way to go or add some thing to your personel text such as "take it easy i am a youngun"
Any way yuongun's i am reading your post to see if i can learn any thing, so keep up the imforative post
cheers
blaze
ps- just an old fart