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Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:30 PM
Working in environmental science (freshwater ecology) I'm fortunate to sometimes be able to combine work with pleasure - I've been engaged to do some baseline survey work on the Mary River in South East Qld as part of the proposed Traveston Crossing Dam assessment studies and was given the (most pleasurable) task of surveying for the presence of Mary River Cod populations within the upper River system using (under DPI permit) angling techniques (other forms of survey i.e. electrofishing are also being used) - while doing other work tasks I might add i.e. habitat mapping (it wasn't all beer and skittles!!) - we canoed about 8-10 km of River per day and encountered a range of fish species on lures including fork tailed catties, saratoga, bass and the beautiful Mary River Cod including several above 70cm and one almost a metre long (~95cm) see pic below - also saw shit loads of lung fish, Mary River Turtles and mega tonnes of mullet. While I can't prempt report findings I can say as a ecologist and conservation biologist that it certainly isn't the sort of place that you'd be happy to see drowned under a dam!!

Regards - Jim

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:31 PM
another view of the big cod

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:32 PM
and another

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:33 PM
time machine country - steep sided valley reaches where the riparian forest hasn't been cleared

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:35 PM
one of several bass aound the half metre mark that took some serious drag on a barra baitcaster outfit with 20lb braid (intended to get Mary River Cod boat side without stress)

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:36 PM
and another

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:38 PM
another cod of around 70 cm

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:48 PM
a sad finding was that in some of the uppermost reaches (areas that will not be inundated by the proposed dam) extreemely low flow conditions being experienced at the end of 2006 in combination with aquatic weed infestations were leading to low dissolved oxygen conditions and fish kills that included most of the larger species - mullet, bass, catties and unfortunately also the enadangered Mary River Cod (see below)

Jim_Tait
16-01-2007, 03:52 PM
and another (albeit much more decomposed!!)

cdenyer
16-01-2007, 04:08 PM
A great series of pics and story. Thanks for sharing.

I have been fortunate to have paddled a good stretch of the Mary, and I for one hope the dam doesn't go ahead. A beautiful area that should remain as it is.

Chris

themisses
16-01-2007, 04:27 PM
Great read and pics Jim. Those cod sure are a beautiful fish!! Awsome bass.
Cheers Kim. :)

bdowdy
16-01-2007, 06:11 PM
:)great piccys love the cod photos and some stonker bass , thanks for sharing ,.bdowdy ;)

Matthias
16-01-2007, 06:34 PM
Always full of good up-to-date info. Great report mate. Shame about that aquatic weed :( Seems it is doing alot of damage. See how it matts the surface :o
Any barra??

Pete.

Tim_01
16-01-2007, 09:24 PM
Awesome report Jim! ;D 8-) Great to see the Mary River Cod! Nice bass too. It's a shame about the fish kill and the weed :( I hope the Traveston dam idea is scrapped! Good luck with any further research mate.
Cheers,

Tim.

yellahunter
17-01-2007, 10:47 AM
unreal work Jim,

i cant believe the size of those cod, geez they look like a bloody murray cod.
looks like a magical place mate

wamjam
21-01-2007, 10:09 PM
Gday Jim
Any chance you can repost your pics so we can have a look ,don't know about everyone else but I'm not getting them.Please let me know if its only me.
Thanks wamjam

Jim_Tait
22-01-2007, 11:50 AM
Photos of Cod re-attached

Jim_Tait
22-01-2007, 11:53 AM
Photos of Mary River Valley, bass and dead cod in observed fish kill re-attached.

Regards - Jim

wamjam
22-01-2007, 03:05 PM
Thanks Jim nice looking country be a shame to flood it.
wamjam

turley
30-01-2007, 03:31 PM
Just wondering jim, has anyone looked into the genetic diversity of mary cod within the river and whether inbreeding will be a problem when they effectively create 2 isolated populations with the dam (presuming they ain't building a fish ladder as they never seem too).

Jim_Tait
31-01-2007, 10:25 AM
Will be a question that gets considered in the Impact Assessment Study as you say the dam wall will most likely end up being an effective disrtribution barrier for the already marginal cod population.

Regards - Jim

DaMaGe
31-01-2007, 03:05 PM
Wow, an awesome insight of the behind the scenes action of this controversial dam.

robyoung2
05-02-2007, 02:44 PM
G’day Jim, thanks for all that. The Mary River’s a very interesting subject and I wonder if flooding it would be such a bad thing.
I’m not saying it is or it isn’t, I’m just thinking of an old report done by someone doing the same as you just have.
I guess it was more than ten years ago now, but that report concluded the slow deep water needed for the Mary River Cod to breed was seriously stuffed, by unrestricted cattle access causing serious bank degradation, along with bad cultivation practices causing much erosion. I’m sure you’ve read it, or others similar.
The upshot in that report was that until the banks could be fenced off, and farmers educated, the river’s ability to realize a natural return of the cod was bleak.
I think the report I read resulted in just 3 fish for a whole week’s effort (cod I mean).

So to my way of thinking, if we could make every grazier fence off his marauding cattle, and somehow stop erosion, then arguing for the river to remain “pristine” would be solid. But as far as I can understand it’s far from pristine (regardless how pretty it may look), and is why the cod are in danger in the first place.

From the little I’ve read (and it was along time ago, so maybe thinking has shifted?); Mary River Cod need clear, slow deep water to do well. As it stands, by the impact of agriculture and grazing, the river is shallow, wider than it should be with it’s steep banks in no way the condition they need to be (gone?), and what may be worse than all this, it’s now fluvial, making the breeding success so low, well they’re endangered.


I was just thinking, that given all that, would their future be better secured if the dam was to go ahead, and a good stocking program was undertaken?

Hell, nothing I say, or anyone else much will make a big dif, so I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m just wonder what you think from your professional point of view? I’m not saying it isn’t beautiful, a shame to loose.. just from the Mary River Cod’s perspective is all.
Cheers
rob

Jim_Tait
08-02-2007, 06:12 AM
Rob,

the concerns you refer to in the report you previously read still do stand i.e. bank slumping leading to the broadening, shallowing, and increased flow velocity in the river do impact on the quality of Mary River Cod habitat - but daming of the river is not a counter solution to these impacts. I'll try to list the key reasons why it wouldn't workin the case of the upper Mary and its cod.

Generally, all Australian freshwater cod have poor breeding success in impoundments. This is because they are predominantly river channel habitat associated and rely on the hydrological cues of river flows (& temperature) for breeding success and the plankton production associated with flow events for good laval survival to fingerlings. In a dam the channel habitat is drowned and the hydrological cues and plankton reponses associated with flow events modified by the impoundment habitat.

One of the key distinctions betweeen an impoundment environment and a river channel is the riparian (water edge) zone. In a dam there is usually a broad 'dead' or bare zone associated with fluctuating water levels - in the case of the proposed Mary River dam this zone could be quite broad due to the shallow nature of the dam and the shallow gradient of its banks. This bare riparian zone is in contrast to a river channel with its less fluctuating water levels, flowing riffles, established riparian trees and other vegetation and associated snags, undercuts and aquatic plant communities. The fluctuating levels of a dam do not allow these riparian habitats to become established - all of which are important feeding, breeding and nursery habitat for cod.

In the case of the Mary River the slumped, infilled and degraded river reaches are more associated with the alluvial (floodplain) land forms of the lower catchment. While the steeper valley and incised river channel areas are in the upper catchment (thats what makes it a better dam site) - these steeper valley areas and incised river channels retain relatively more of the deeper cod hole habitat you refer to (and asociated riparian vegetation) than downstream areas due to the greater difficultly that was historically associated with clearing them and their flow characteristics which serve to better flush out bed load sediment slugs than broader and more impacted downstream channels.

In a nut shell, there is a real concern that the quality of cod habitat left post dam construction will be inferior to what currently exists in the upper Mary River catchment. Also the viability of the remnant cod population could be ifurther impacted if the dam acts as a passage barrier effectively dividing the population into two.

Also the possibility of the Mary River channel habitat being improved over time through landholder initiatives is a real one. In my experience there has been a major shift in riparian landholder attitudes along the river (and others) reflected in riparian fencing, revegetation and improved habitat conditions.

Regards and tight lines - Jim

Hardb8
13-02-2007, 07:16 PM
Hi Jim,
Awsome read!I've never caught a Mary River Cod.Not through lack of casting or effort.I've climbed gorges,Scaled cliffs,Swam pools and rock hopped,For no result.But when I do finaly get rewarded,I'd really like it to be a local fish.From the Mary.

I hope your informative research falls on the right ears,And they take notice of your findings and knowledge of this special fish,And it's required habbitat.I fear without decisive action in favour of this creature.Future generations may never experience the true jewel in our freshwater crown,In it's true enviroment.



Keep up the good work m8. Kind regards.

robyoung2
14-02-2007, 01:36 AM
Mate, thanks heaps for that. I wasn't exactly wondering if daming it would counter all the damage there, I was more in truth wondering "well if it's stuffed, why bother?" mentality.
It's encouraging to hear you're positive about landholders actually re-acting positive in time, because that's the very point I was making, I think you noticed.

My expereince with farmers (and I come from a line of them, so I mean nothing offensive) is that they consider the water edge, water itself etc all theirs, and resent anyone telling them otherwise. "Them and all them univeristy buggers.."

I did like the government's attitude at that time (the report I mentioned). Actually it was a year or so after it, maybe '95, '96? They announced graziers had to make water accessible adjacent to the creek, and fence their cattle out, or else the gov was going to fence all the waterways in the state, and bill the landholder. of course it never happened, but it gave a lot of landholders a wake up call of just who's creeks they are.

Kinda makes me think, to hell with it then, dam the thing, forget their ability to ever recover and stock the dam artificially. You have a much more encouraging outlook but.
even so, what dif will any of our views make? it'll be a political outcome I think and that's that.

I've never had the opportunity to walk around up there, let alone fish and canoe etc. It looks awsome. How is it for public access? Is it difficult?

thanks again.
rob

Jeremy87
15-02-2007, 08:48 PM
Thats great stuff. I'm very keen to get the canoe up there and have a go myself. Is that all near travestons crossing or thurther up around Kenilworth. I've fished yabba creek from the canoe before and it has a healthy population of bass from borumba dam in it. I also noticed that where you cross the Mary on the way into imbil it is choked with weed, is that normal for this time of year.

Jim_Tait
16-02-2007, 07:57 AM
Jeremy,

the reaches we canoed were from above Kenilworth all the way to Traveston Crossing working reaches between public road crossings each day.

Weed choking during low flow periods is 'normal' but in the current case of the Mary is also affected by changed flow conditions, extended drought, elevated nutient loads, reduced riparian vegetation cover and the pressence of exotic aquatic weeds.

Regards - Jim

robyoung2
17-02-2007, 01:03 AM
Thanks again, that sounds like reasonable access hey, have to give it a go maybe. Some of those bridge entrences can be forboding lol. Well, it's all good huh.

cheers
rob