Unusual fish ID's

[Mugil]

Hi chaps

A mate sent me some pics of some of the critters he has been catching in deep water of NSW recently.
I have posted a couple of interesting ones hereabouts for the fish id specialists.
Anyone know this one?

[Mugil]

I do know this one, but thought it unusual enough to post also. Any guesses?
(It’s not an oarfish)

[reelcrazy]

I do know this one, but thought it unusual enough to post also. Any guesses?
(It’s not an oarfish)



Ribbonfish?

http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/fishfacts/fish/tjackson.htm

[mal-laurie]

i caught one the same as the first pic last year at noosa.
thought it was a nannagi

[devocean]

One is a hairtail or an oar fish and were often mistaken for sea monsters in old times. The other is a nannygai not the lutjanis type but a southern type not related to our nannys. Can tell it is a deep water species by the big eyes.

[basserman]

nope not a hairtail and not a nannygai either
caught both of them and nether of the pics are of those fish
hairtail are unmistable and don't grow that big and have teeth on them that a lion would be proud of and as for nannygais they are red all over with rough scales ;) looks close but

[Sportfish_5]

Red Snapper ??

[reel_killer]

Top one looks like an orange roughy.

[Jono_SS]

hey basserman.

just 'cause you caught a "hairtail" that looked different to the one caught by Mugil's mate doesn't mean his isn't a "hairtail" also.

I did a very quick search on Fishbase and found 21 different "hairtails" based on common names. the 21 different hairtails referred to 13 different species (based on scientific names).

Nannygai came up with 6 different common names and 6 different scientific names.

Confusing??? You bet. that's why scientists tend to use scientific names.

[basserman]

yeh thats very true what one angler calls one fish is sure diffrent to what another does in another state or even area ::)
fish mongers are even worst seen a hundred dory all sold under the same name
but i was going off the comon named fish for easten seaboard and i agree with reelcrazy just check out the mouth

[basserman]

now the hairtails mouth

[Fishinmishin]

The second one is what you get when a garfish does it with a whiting on steriods ;). The top one looks like a white tip reef shark.
Your welcome for the help.
Cheers, Jay

[Remo]

Yep I agree with bassermen

[reelcrazy]

Top one is a nannygai for sure.

[reelcrazy]

Top one is a nannygai for sure.


http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/fishfacts/fish/caffinis.htm

[mackmauler]

I would have to disagree with the nanny call reelcrazy, we catch a fair few out here in deep water, there a more uniform orange than that, and the shape is different, pic is your standard nanny.

[camsharkman]

I'm with sportsfish. It's a red snapper. Very common on the 100m+ reefs along the NSW coast.

[reelcrazy]

I'm with sportsfish. It's a red snapper. Very common on the 100m+ reefs along the NSW coast.

Red Snapper is one of the common names for the same species as Nannygai, Centroberyx affinis.

MackMauler, it's a tough call, the forked tail is indicative, the colouring less so, it could be a localized species.

[camsharkman]

Yes, they are the same Centroberyx family for sure.
Nannygai - Centroberyx affinis. 7 dorsal spines.
Red Snapper - Centroberyx gerrardi. 6 dorsal spines and a distinctive white latteral colour change.
I doubt anybody is going to count the dorsal spines before they dipatch with the fish so wee'll just call it a Nannigai. Much easier 8) 8)

[once_bitten]

Top one is a nannygai for sure.

[vertico]

this is a small mouth nannygai

[basserman]

Red Snapper is one of the common names for the same species as Nannygai, Centroberyx affinis.

MackMauler, it's a tough call, the forked tail is indicative, the colouring less so, it could be a localized species.


yeh the more i have a look at it the more i think you may be right and i think the resone for the coulor may be because it may have already been scaled giveing it a smooth appreacne with a white belly
really hard to call by the pic but ;)

[Mugil]

Thanks for the input guys.
Full marks to reelcrazy, the second fish is a ribbon fish aka dealfish of the family trachipterus.

The first one is not a northern or southern nannygai (centroberyx or lutjanus) or a red snapper (centroberyx). I think it is some kind of roughy (but not an orange roughy) or sawbelly.

Here is another pic of fish 2 with the rest of that days catch. For info they were caught in 500m.

Cheers

[kleiny]

this is a nannygai just to add another pic

[NQCairns]

Kleiny - now you are just trying to confuse ;) That fish doesn't look anything like the Nannygai I was used to until I moved half-way North, now living way North they are the only Nannygai's - Yippee!!