Not allowed to fix channel

[troy]

You may recall my thread on our boat ramp and dredging of channell.
A while back we had heavy rain and it washed part of the bung wall away.
We were going to fix it at our cost as we have been doing for over 40 years.
Government and Epa stepped in and told the boat club we are not allowed to touch it.
Great news and what is next as on your average weekend a 100 boaties use this facility as there is no where else.
Troy

[nonibbles]

Which one was this Troy? Molongle Creek?

[Hornblower]

Troy,

Write to or e-mail your local member and remind them of the Labor Lifestyle Policy. Highlight the dangers to the boating public, and ask them kindly, who'se name the injured person or damaged boat owner is to put on the civil writ for damages when the first incident occurs. Also putting up a public sign at the ramp stating who is responsible for the poor conditions of the boat ramp is something else you should also tell your local member you have done.

I know I went on at length about things you should do in your earlier post, but if you PM me some of the details of the ramp (maybe a photo or two) and who your local member is, I would be happy to draft up something for you to send them, mate. I hate to see people being dealt out rough hands by pencil pushers and politicians who have no idea.

Cheers ;) ;) ;) ;)

[troy]

Which one was this Troy? Molongle Creek?
Nonibbles.
That is the one.
Troy

[troy]

Troy,

Write to or e-mail your local member and remind them of the Labor Lifestyle Policy. Highlight the dangers to the boating public, and ask them kindly, who'se name the injured person or damaged boat owner is to put on the civil writ for damages when the first incident occurs. Also putting up a public sign at the ramp stating who is responsible for the poor conditions of the boat ramp is something else you should also tell your local member you have done.

I know I went on at length about things you should do in your earlier post, but if you PM me some of the details of the ramp (maybe a photo or two) and who your local member is, I would be happy to draft up something for you to send them, mate. I hate to see people being dealt out rough hands by pencil pushers and politicians who have no idea.

Cheers ;) ;) ;) ;)
Thanks mate i will try to do what you want but you cannot beat these Idiots

[Hornblower]

Mate it is a hard uphill battle, but they don't like being humiliated. I really mean my offer mate, I have had plenty of experience and so I do it just for fun now!!!

Cheers ;) ;) ;)

[kc]

Hi Troy,

PM me full details and I will send one on TFPQ letterhead direct to the new environment minister.

Regards

KC

[theoldlegend]

Good work Hornblower and kc !!

This sort of stuff is just mindblowing. Probably comes down to just who wants to take the responsibility for the maintenance, whether it's the local Council of the State Government. Of course neither body wants to do the job, but will pass the buck to the other.


TOL

[troy]

Hornblower and KC.
this was what was posted in our local newspaper.
Molongle under threat.
Recent discussions about improved protection of the bund wall has met with a negative response from government agencies .
'You are advised that EPA does not support soft or hard engineering protection on any part of the bund wall.
The great barrier reef marine park authority /queensland parks and wildlife permit only approves maintenance work and does not extend to reconstruction involving capital works after a major event.'
At a recent all government agency meeting with molongle creek boat club a case was put for the protection of the bund wall by using rock or other methods.
They referred to a paramount need for safe access for the thousands of people who use the facillity to get to their properties at cape upstart and surrounding fishing grounds.
The easter period highlighted how important boating access was when the helicopter was unable to service all stinger victims from that period.Other reasons were based on environmental grounds.,e.g. saving the bund wall from erosion would reduce the impact from extensive yearly maintenance works and would reduce the risk of this eroded material covering sea grass beds adjacent to the access channel if the bund wall is protected . This would also reduce the costs of maintenance and need for volunteers to drive the clubs swamp dozer .
The letter from the EPA referred to the 'inquiry to protect machinery access track for safety' but nothing more was said on this.. It advised that 'permits require the channel and bund wall to be constructed and maintained in accordance with conditions and the sanctioned plans.'
'These conditions and plans do not approve and protection works. '

A club spokesman said there was a real concern that the future of the facility was in jeopardy . it is ludicrous to think that after decades of work to improve the facility and service to the boating public government agencies can shut us down regardless of safety issues or concerns for the environment just because the present permit does not allow it. For years we have had to fight this mentality and believe the community will support the clubs fight for its survival.
We've had massive public support in the past and we need public support now. A spokesman urged local residents to attend the meeting of the molongle creek boat club on thursday night to express their views.

The bowen shire council is supporting the club in its endeavour and mayor ... and engineer ... will be present . Councillor .... said they would have to go through the whole process again and talk to the minister about the situation. He said they did it at a regional level previously but now they will have to get ministerial support. He describe the situation as ridiculous saying they had a pile of applications a metre high last time and they had to make a new application for each new event. It will cost us a fortune and we havent got the staff to be doing that.
the bowen mayor said their own engineer had to go through the applications while the club did a great job with the physical work because a channel was needed to service the cape . it will take a lot of lobbying with the minister.

cheers troy

[Hornblower]

Troy,

MMMMmmmmmm, Give me a day or two and I will draft something up and post it here and see if it meets your needs.

At least the Council appears to be on your side, that is a start.

Leave it with me ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Hornblower]

Hello Troy, sorry this has taken me so long to put together, but here is a draft that I have completed for your perusal and any necessary adjustments you see fit. Remember this is only the first shot in what I think will be a long battle, but I am eager to help you, even though I am more than 1000k's away.

You will have to change the red parts as they are bits that I am not aware of. Feel free to pull it to bits etc and if you like try to get other people to send in similiar, or even the same letter.

Let me know what you think ;) ;)

Cheers ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Hornblower]

PS: KC, feel free to use this yourself if you think it is okay.

Cheers, ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[FNQCairns]

Hornblower you are certainly good at that stuff, well written, now I hope it gets used.

cheers fnq

[Hornblower]

Thanks FNQ, I only hope it is all accurate, it was the best I could do with what I knew at hand. Troy must be busy - or fishing - or busy fishing ;D ;D ;D, I sent him a PM, but, he will probably check it during the week.

Cheers ;) ;) ;) ;)

[troy]

Hornblower,
Been away for 2 weeks.
Passed your draft on to the club and they were impressed.
Thanks mate and i hope someone will listen.
Troy

[Hornblower]

Hey Troy, I have been out of the loop for a week, thanks for your post and if there is anything I can do to assist, please let me know - I love stirring the pot a bit ;) ;) ;) ;)

[troy]

Keith Williams wins his battle to build a rock wall at his Resort in Cardwell.
But we cannot even touch our facilities at Molongle Creek.
He has bulldozed mangroves built rock walls and is allowed to dredge.
Where were the EPA and other departments with this.
Troy

[manchild]

Money talks my friend,unfortunately.
George

[troy]

You hit the nail right on the head mate.
Troy

[PinHead]

Keith Williams wins his battle to build a rock wall at his Resort in Cardwell.
But we cannot even touch our facilities at Molongle Creek.He has bulldozed mangroves built rock walls and is allowed to dredge.
Where were the EPA and other departments with this.
Troy

the question is...does he "own" the resort...if so then I guess he has some right to build the wall if he bought the property.

Do you own Molongle Creek???

[troy]

Keith Williams wins his battle to build a rock wall at his Resort in Cardwell.
But we cannot even touch our facilities at Molongle Creek.He has bulldozed mangroves built rock walls and is allowed to dredge.
Where were the EPA and other departments with this.
Troy

the question is...does he "own" the resort...if so then I guess he has some right to build the wall if he bought the property.

Do you own Molongle Creek???

Pinhead,
That is the type of reply i would expect from you.
Question is mate whether he owns the resort has nothing to do with it as he. does not own the land below the high tide mark.
And no i do not own Molongle Creek as you are well and truly aware.
Thanks for your help.
Troy
Ps the rock walls are for the channel he needs to allow access to the sea just like me.

[rough_shag]

The real question is WHO owns Molongle creek? don't we all have ownership(caretakership really) and therefore a duty to preserve as much of our coastline as possible? We can see the results of big money and lawyers overseas and here(Pacific Harbour-Dux creek for example),as soon as these moguls build their exclusive resorts their well healed clients begin looking for more unspoilt places to holiday and eventually in most cases the tax payer picks up the bill to rectify the environmental damage.Backroom deals and big money always win the day unless enough people protest long and loud.Jace.

Keith Williams wins his battle to build a rock wall at his Resort in Cardwell.
But we cannot even touch our facilities at Molongle Creek.He has bulldozed mangroves built rock walls and is allowed to dredge.
Where were the EPA and other departments with this.
Troy

the question is...does he "own" the resort...if so then I guess he has some right to build the wall if he bought the property.

Do you own Molongle Creek???

[PADDLES]

g'day pin head, obviously you must have been giving these guys a wind up. even if you own a property you're still not allowed to do whatever you like, especially if it affects the environment. the EPA rules still prevail, trouble is the EPA is run by the government and sometimes like manchild says ............ "money talks". i believe mr keith williams has been in hot water before in the cardwell area for a bit of mangrove "gardening/pruning" with an excavator without the necessary approvals.

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