Fishing Party Gone?

[far.kwirk]

Hey Guys

Is it true the fishing party is gone?

http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/Who/party_reg/deregistered/fp.htm

[fishingnottake]

they were automatically deregistered along with a few other parties, they've applied for reregistration, seems kinda dishonest they don't mention it on their site as far as i can tell.

[RASA]

Plenty of info about it on www.thefishingparty.info headed> Notice of Federal Party Deregistration and re-registration for members - 1 & 2



RASA

aka Bob Smith

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KC is on a short vacation - on a boat with his kids ...

So I thought I would step in with a few bits of information I was aware of...


Some of you may have seen in the paper that the Fishing Party was deregistered on 27th December.

In fact, every party that did not have a sitting member was deregistered at the same time. So there are about 19 parties affected.

Its not a worry.

TFPQ management knew months ago that this was coming. The Australian Electoral Commission was very informative and helpful and the registration is all in process -


Why all this paperwork and nonsense?

As far as I can figure out there were some people unhappy with a Party called a name very close to teh name of a major Party Apparently this party is really an offshoot of an opposite Party

So what they did was make a new regulation – that you can’t register a name similar to the name of another Party - without their approval. But they couldn’t back date the regulation so they just cancelled all registrations ( unless you had a sitting member) and every minor party had to start again.

The AEC web site says:

Chapter 4 of the Report included recommendations to address apparent confusion on the part of electors over party names. The recommendation for de-registration of certain parties was adopted by Parliament…


TFPQ leadership recently went through the registration as a Party in Qld - and got it through without a hitch ( except an election was called half way through the process!) . So they are full bottle on the process – and so this one is in good hands IMHO.



Bottom Line: no worries, its just a paperwork issue. I dont think its fair to call it "dishonest". Its a dull admin issue IMHO


Regards

Gary

[BAIT_MAN]

KC is on a short vacation - on a boat with his kids ...

So I thought I would step in with a few bits of information I was aware of...





Gary

For whatever reason Parties without sitting members were de-registered by the government, requiring re-registration of parties still planning to remain active - a weeding process, do you think it is appropriate for you to be speaking on behalf of TFPQ knowing that KC has such strong views on a single spokesperson for the party?

KC has gone to great lengths in these forums to explain the importance of having only ONE spokesperson for the TFPQ and on issues relating to TFPQ. He may be away on holidays, but I am sure that he has left the running and overseeing of the party to one of the senior members of the executive, and it would have been more appropriate for them to issue the response on his behalf.

As you know, the single spokesperson ruling is one of the issues that KC and I did not entirely agree on, but I understand his desire to protect TFPQ from unauthorised statements made inadvertantly or otherwise that could bring the party into disrepute.

If you have joined the Party since last we spoke and been appointed the offical party spokesperson, then I withdraw my caution.

In addition, you know how sensitive MBAA are about being politically associated whether it be real or implied. If you are still on the MBAA committee and speaking on behalf of TFPQ, that opens up a whole new can of worms and I am speaking from experience.


TFPQ has come a long way in a short time, and as fishermen, we are looking to the likes of The Fishing Party, MBAA and Sunfish to guide us to a sustainable fishing future.

Regards
Shane Boese

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If you look more carefully at the words I was reporting facts - and as clearly stated : my opinion (ie IMHO means in my humble opinion)

My opening sentence suggests that I would rather have left the topic for TFPQ to reply. However, given the potential misunderstanding that could come from people ( like far.kwirk) having half the story and coming to the wrong conclusion.

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[Cheech]

What the?!!



I was also interested to know what the story was, so thanks for the info Gary. I thought it was pretty clear that Gary commented as an independant chat room member and not as a representative of the party.

Shane, I do not know what may or may not have gone on internally within the party, but you sure seem to be more interested in trying to give Gary a public dressing down than providing info to interested members.

Intersting though that you gave some information at the start, but then went on to say that there are party rules against doing so unless you are the spokesperson.

[BAIT_MAN]

Cheech

The motivation for my post was more a caution for Gary as during my time within TFPQ, I was called to task on a personal letter and personal statements I made that made no reference to TFPQ - they were my personal opinion. I was advised by TFPQ Executive that due to my association with the party any statements I made would be deemed to be Party opinion. The resulting fallout was not pleasant.

It is public knowledge that Gary is very close to TFPQ and MBAA, and my intention was to caution him against making the same mistake I had made.

On another subject, Ausfish members do seem to be concerned about the Federal de-registration process which has affected 18 other parties including the "Queensland Greens" who are also having to go through the re-registration process.

In an earlier post RASA posted a link to The Fishing Party website where information on the Federal Registration process can be found.

Regards

Shane Boese

[kc]

This seems pretty well covered. This is an administrative issue which will be dealt with in due course. The required paperwork has been already lodged and we await some further negotiations with the NSW Branch & The AEC to finalise the registeration of the party at a federal level.

PS : Great holiday, great fishing & some preciuos time with my girls before they head off to Uni next year.

KC

[Derek_Bullock]

Welcome back KC.


Derek

[4x4frog]

Welcome back KC.
Great to hear you had a good break away with your girls.
In relation to the de-reg' issue....Is it in the cycle of yearly or whatever registration of political parties? If not is it just a grab by the Federal Govt to deregister all parities and have them re-apply for registrarion and pay another fee?
Like mentioned early on I expect it would 'weed' out all those who aren't serious about the issues they stand for and couldn't be bothered to reapply.

[kc]

This is part of a "clean out" of hobby parties and also to remove ambiguities such as "Liberals for the forests". As I understand it no names "close" to other party names, which may confuse voters will be allowed.

Strangley enough no fees are involved in this provided parties that reregister do so promptly.

TFPQ has lodged all required paperwork and now waits while it negotiates a mutually suitable arrangement with TFP in NSW before reregistration will occur in April.

KC

[4x4frog]

:o No fees...now that's a first I'll bet.
Good to see the party or any others weren't slogged a second time for registering.

[RASA]

I am concerned that some above comments may be open to misinterpretation so to put the record straight this is how the re-registration process is viewed and understood by the Federal Party.

Federally registered parties were de-registered on 26 December 2006 and invited to re-register.
Provided all of the criteria required by the AEC are met in the re-registration application, the re-registration of The Fishing Party will occur in due course.
At this point in time, there have been no indications from the AEC of any problems.
TFP(Qld), at state level is registered as an individual entity, but Federally is a state organised branch of the previously federally registered The Fishing Party. TFPQ was not previously federally registered as an individual entity, and as such is not entitled to “re-register".
“TFPQ has lodged all required paperwork and now waits while it negotiates a mutually suitable arrangement with TFP in NSW before reregistration will occur" – This statement is misleading as there has been no indication from the AEC that TFP is required to negotiate with TFPQ for re-registration of TFP to occur. TFP in NSW or Vic has no intention to get registered as an autonomous federal party at this stage and will remain in the federal system that encompasses all the states and territories to stand candidates federally.

Authorised by
Bob Smith
For TFP

[seatime]

reading between the lines in some of the posts above, it looks like TFPQ might be preparing to go it alone.
hope this isn't the case, and please correct me if I'm wrong, couldn't see a split being beneficial to fishers Queensland and Australia wide.
I'm getting a bit confused about what's going on.

TFPQ Member 996

[kc]

Hi Gelsec,

Just to clarify no TFPQ does not want to "go it alone". That said, we have had an "at arms length" relationship with TFP which has been registered federally but based in NSW and with a board made up 100% of NSW representitives. Not any point going into the nitty gritty of this but suffice to say we have not shared much in the way of communication or common goals for over 12 months.

Our understanding, & I will stand corrected, is that now that TFPQ is registered at a state level no entity can register federally without our approval, nor can we register without any other TFP legal entities approval.

Our hope is that we can negotiate an arrangement with TFP in NSW (the previuos federal entity) so that a more representitive federal body emerges with shared representation, shared input and common goals and with a democratic constitution based on voting rights from each state.

All part of the internal politics of a growing and dynamic movement......at the end of the day this will be a positive step forward for the party either way.

If Bob's position is correct, then we are mistaken and as said, I will stand corrected.

We will however try to influence the structure of the federal body. It makes no sense to TFPQ that having "made the running" during the last 2 years we have no meaningful input to the party federally, its structure, constitution, policies or goals. We are and have been stand alone through most of our brief history despite having experiences and more importantly government contacts which could benifit recreational fishing in all states.

This need not become a p$#@ssing contest.

TFPQ wants a say in the make-up of the federal organisation and based on our performance believe this should be our right & more importantly believe this would benifit everyone South of the border as well.
TFP wants a continuation of the current regime and current model and we will try to negoitate some changes. ...................Politics!!

Never dull, never without some internal power plays and all good fun ;)

KC

[seatime]

thanks for the reply KC