going to pass on my hydraulic hy-drive steering, anyone looking to go hydraulic?

[gazza2006au]

Trying to work out the hy-drive hydraulic steering kit is another venture on my shoulders to understand how to set it all up according to the instructions u have to rotate the steering wheel 1rpm per second for 2mins or 5mins and u need5 litres of hydraulic fluid and yadda yadda just more stuff i dont wanna stress over

Im going to go with basic teleflex steering which cant fail from a leak or mishap

I scored the hy-drive unit for free but i did have to pick it up

Anyone know of anyone that may want it for cheap?

Comes with 1 ram, 2 helms, 2 steering wheels, no hoses and no plastic spacers/shims for the ram (tilt tube shims)

I read the instructions... and it seems like a complicated unit to install

[Noelm]

Te installation might sound complicated but it's not, turning the wheel is simply bleeding the air out, unless you have a power bleeder (even most dealers don't) then it's just a matter of turning the wheel back and forth. Just to add, the fittings are not cheap, so, depending on what you need, it could be an expensive setup.

[stevej]

The fluid is cheap as well
made the kids spin the wheel while I cracked the bleed nipples
It also cleans the crud out of the system

Took about 30-45 mins with the help of a 4 year old

[disorderly]

As mentioned above its really quite simple...just 2 hoses from the helm to the ram and to bleed you just need a little airtight screw in fitting on the helm connected to some plastic tube in a bottle full of fluid and a container and a bit of tube on the bleeder valves on the ram to catch the aerated fluid as you push fluid through the system till you force the air out by turning the wheel all the way one way then back the other way...repeat until only fluid comes out and there is no play in the steering..

You will find some videos on Youtube ..nothing complicated at all and will be smoother to use then a cable..

Just borrow Steve's kid for half an hour and you will be sorted.. .;)

[Mopheus]

Here's a full HyDrive install. It ain't rocket science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCBRSP47K8o

[gazza2006au]

Yeah i watched that video u ideally need 3 people

[scubapro]

Trying to work out the hy-drive hydraulic steering kit is another venture on my shoulders to understand how to set it all up according to the instructions u have to rotate the steering wheel 1rpm per second for 2mins or 5mins and u need5 litres of hydraulic fluid and yadda yadda just more stuff i dont wanna stress over

Im going to go with basic teleflex steering which cant fail from a leak or mishap

I scored the hy-drive unit for free but i did have to pick it up

Anyone know of anyone that may want it for cheap?

Comes with 1 ram, 2 helms, 2 steering wheels, no hoses and no plastic spacers/shims for the ram (tilt tube shims)

I read the instructions... and it seems like a complicated unit to install

How much are you asking & which suburb are you located?

[disorderly]

Yeah i watched that video u ideally need 3 people

Only if you were a public servant or council worker and need a supervisor as well...

Otherwise one person turning the steering wheel and one bleeding at the ram = 2 people..

Did you really even watch the video..?.the guy even shows you how to bleed the system by yourself without any help......

[gazza2006au]

How much are you asking & which suburb are you located?

$200 and pm meon suburb (fairfield area)

[Dignity]

$200 and pm meon suburb (fairfield area)

Not a bad profit margin, from $0 to $200 and the interesting question is why the original owner gave it away in the first place. Had it started leaking or something less sinister.

[scubapro]

How does one send a PM?

[Noelm]

Click on his username, then "private message"

[gazza2006au]

Not a bad profit margin, from $0 to $200 and the interesting question is why the original owner gave it away in the first place. Had it started leaking or something less sinister.

Nothing made at all it was a 3 hour drive and cost of fuel to pick it up i drive a V8 remember Digs

Original owner said the engine was moving side to side i dont think he used the shims in the kit for the tilt tube rod they were not given to me but i have mentioned whoever buys the steering will need them or a substatute

Without the shims the ram moves freely 10mm side to side they are mentioned in the video previouslg posted by someone else

[Dignity]

Nothing made at all it was a 3 hour drive and cost of fuel to pick it up i drive a V8 remember Digs

Original owner said the engine was moving side to side i dont think he used the shims in the kit for the tilt tube rod they were not given to me but i have mentioned whoever buys the steering will need them or a substatute

Without the shims the ram moves freely 10mm side to side they are mentioned in the video previouslg posted by someone else

Call me cynical but why weren't the tubing and other parts given to you as he would have had to remove them. I think you need to change your V8 to something else, I could drive a lot further than that for $200.

[CT]

Nothing made at all it was a 3 hour drive and cost of fuel to pick it up i drive a V8 remember Digs

3 hrs at the top speed limit of 100 km/hr is a theoretical maximum of 300 km traveled. Assuming 25 litres/100 km is a total fuel burn of 75 litres. At $1.50/litre, thats $112.50. That leaves $187.50 profit.

Conclusion.
Gaz courier is $62.50 per hour plus fuel.

Wow.

[gazza2006au]

Maybe he saved the hoses to siphon some liquid gold thru the saudi arabian sand Digs i have no idea..

The hoses were cut off at the helm

[Dignity]

3 hrs at the top speed limit of 100 km/hr is a theoretical maximum of 300 km traveled. Assuming 25 litres/100 km is a total fuel burn of 75 litres. At $1.50/litre, thats $112.50. That leaves $187.50 profit.

Conclusion.
Gaz courier is $62.50 per hour plus fuel.

Wow.

25 litres/100km, wow, I know V8 landcruise owners that would think that rather high. But let's get back to the thread, giving away a $900 steering system for free sounds suss to me.

[stevej]

Owned a v8 xr8 for a while it would cruise on 11-12l per 100 at 110

but that was a well serviced car with under 100,000km
think Gazza car has 400,000 km or some other insane amount of kms

[Dignity]

I can think of a number of reasons, corroded ram, O rings stuffed on helm.

[scottar]

Gazza, if you can't nut out a hydraulic steering system, there is something wrong. It's no different to bleeding a set of brakes on a car. Fit a bleed hose to the bleeder nipple, Make sure the reservoir (helm pump) doesn't get low on oil, open the bleeder, turn the wheel, close the bleeder when there is no air coming out. This is typically doable with the three bottles (a total of 3 litres) of oil in a kit. If the hoses were cut off rather than undone, all you need in the way of fittings is 4 new compression olives and the hose itself. If not, 4 complete fittings and some high pressure pipe sealant to seal them in and you are good. The spacers are nothing more than some high density plastic washers - which at a pinch could be substituted for stainless steel - that basically pack out the rod that goes through the tilt tube to stop any sideways movement. If you have a small lathe they could be made from plastic bar stock or a block in no time.

If you can get a bleeding fitting assembly ( a hose tail that screws into the filler port on the helm pump on a length of hose with a cap that fits the oil bottles) it is easier still. I usually cut the base out of an oil bottle and cable tie it up as a funnel and keep it about 1/3 full by adding oil as the wheel is turned.

If you have the time, you don't really have to even bleed the system - the air will come back to the top itself simply by continuing to cycle the steering from lock to lock over a few days. If you can leave the filler funnel and hose attached it is even easier doing it this way. You will see the air bubbles come back up the clear hose between the helm pump and the funnel.

About the only issue that regularly occurs is mixing the hoses up so the steering goes the wrong way. If you leave a small amount of slack in them so they can be swapped over if this happens, it takes about two minutes to sort it out.

In all my time messing about with hydraulics, I have only ever seen one system that had a catastrophic failure that resulted in steering loss. This happened because a plastic hose was run up to a tower helm externally and the UV weakened it so it burst. My own steering has been leaking for the best part of two years now due to a tired ram seal. I just top the helm up every so often - maybe 30 or 40 mils of fluid and carry a bottle with some fluid in my on board spares. An old squeeze sauce bottle washed out and let thoroughly dry is perfect as you don't need a funnel to add a bit of oil if necessary.

[gazza2006au]

Gazza, if you can't nut out a hydraulic steering system, there is something wrong. It's no different to bleeding a set of brakes on a car. Fit a bleed hose to the bleeder nipple, Make sure the reservoir (helm pump) doesn't get low on oil, open the bleeder, turn the wheel, close the bleeder when there is no air coming out. This is typically doable with the three bottles (a total of 3 litres) of oil in a kit. If the hoses were cut off rather than undone, all you need in the way of fittings is 4 new compression olives and the hose itself. If not, 4 complete fittings and some high pressure pipe sealant to seal them in and you are good. The spacers are nothing more than some high density plastic washers - which at a pinch could be substituted for stainless steel - that basically pack out the rod that goes through the tilt tube to stop any sideways movement. If you have a small lathe they could be made from plastic bar stock or a block in no time.

If you can get a bleeding fitting assembly ( a hose tail that screws into the filler port on the helm pump on a length of hose with a cap that fits the oil bottles) it is easier still. I usually cut the base out of an oil bottle and cable tie it up as a funnel and keep it about 1/3 full by adding oil as the wheel is turned.

If you have the time, you don't really have to even bleed the system - the air will come back to the top itself simply by continuing to cycle the steering from lock to lock over a few days. If you can leave the filler funnel and hose attached it is even easier doing it this way. You will see the air bubbles come back up the clear hose between the helm pump and the funnel.

About the only issue that regularly occurs is mixing the hoses up so the steering goes the wrong way. If you leave a small amount of slack in them so they can be swapped over if this happens, it takes about two minutes to sort it out.

In all my time messing about with hydraulics, I have only ever seen one system that had a catastrophic failure that resulted in steering loss. This happened because a plastic hose was run up to a tower helm externally and the UV weakened it so it burst. My own steering has been leaking for the best part of two years now due to a tired ram seal. I just top the helm up every so often - maybe 30 or 40 mils of fluid and carry a bottle with some fluid in my on board spares. An old squeeze sauce bottle washed out and let thoroughly dry is perfect as you don't need a funnel to add a bit of oil if necessary.

Thanks Scott appreciate a helpful post like that, if i can let the system self fill/air bleed that would be fantastic as it seemsa little overwhelming the instructions state to rotate the steering 1rpm for 5mins continous without stopping or u have to repeat the process than while turning the steering wheel u have to maintain the fill bottle too it just comes across as moderatly difficult

I will keep it but itsgoing to be floating on my mind the what if it failed and tore the engine off the transom

[gazza2006au]

25 litres/100km, wow, I know V8 landcruise owners that would think that rather high. But let's get back to the thread, giving away a $900 steering system for free sounds suss to me.

The bloke was a top guy lived in a beautiful house he was originally selling the steering kit but no one took it at $200 he relisted it for $100 and no one didnt want it i msg the bloke and he said come take it for free if i picked it up, 900 buck steering was nothing to this nice chap he owned a poded bertram 25 with a 250hp suzuki so no needto pass on judgements Digs

My V8 uses 33 litres of LPG per 100kms about 25 litres unleaded per 100km urban but it kicks ass on the highway or no stop and starts or under 80kph cruisers

If it wasnt for LPG i would have soldthe car a very long time ago i rarely drive on unleaded just to expensive, if it wasnt for my V19 i would be driving a Micra or a Festiva

[Dignity]

Scott, I like the idea of the old sauce bottle but on my boat when the pie oven is going some one will have grabbed the wrong bottle.

[scottar]

Scott, I like the idea of the old sauce bottle but on my boat when the pie oven is going some one will have grabbed the wrong bottle.

::) That's on them if they can't read the label LOL. The "special sauce" is tucked away with the rest of the tool kit under the captains seat. No chance of that happening round here.

[scottar]

Thanks Scott appreciate a helpful post like that, if i can let the system self fill/air bleed that would be fantastic as it seemsa little overwhelming the instructions state to rotate the steering 1rpm for 5mins continous without stopping or u have to repeat the process than while turning the steering wheel u have to maintain the fill bottle too it just comes across as moderatly difficult

I will keep it but itsgoing to be floating on my mind the what if it failed and tore the engine off the transom

I can do it on my own Gazza. It is definitely easier with two though.

If a steering failure rips your engine off, it was coming off anyway - just a matter of time. The only way it would potentially throw the engine to one side is if a hose has a massive rupture. A leaking seal or fitting could result in a motor going to one side but it would be a far more gentle occurrence IMO. You will have more than enough time to throttle down. I've been in cable steered boat that had the cable break out of nowhere and then had to steer back across South Passage Bar with an oar strapped to the engine - they are not immune to failure. In my experience I would say they are more prone to failure than hydraulics.

In short - you are worrying about nothing.

[disorderly]

I've been in cable steered boat that had the cable break out of nowhere and then had to steer back across South Passage Bar with an oar strapped to the engine - they are not immune to failure. In my experience I would say they are more prone to failure than hydraulics.

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Yeah I'd rather spring a leak in a hydraulic system that can be topped up to get you home, then have a cable or helm break 60km's out...

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[brett62]

I use a auto bleeder. Takes one person and 10 mins.

Hydraulic steering is much better in many ways and protection of the hoses is the most important item. 80% of the boats I built were installed with it and never had one come back with any issues. Replaced many steering cables in boats and can be a painful operations as the steering cable is one of the first items to install when fitting out a boat and most times the wiring follows the same route. Cable is fine if it has nice lazy loops and gets maintained regularly.

[brett62]

I use a auto brake bleeder. Takes one person and 10 mins.<br><br>Hydraulic steering is much better in many ways and protection of the hoses is the most important item. 80% of the boats I built were installed with it and never had one come back with any issues. Replaced many steering cables in boats and can be a painful operations as the steering cable is one of the first items to install when fitting out a boat and most times the wiring follows the same route. Cable is fine if it has nice lazy loops and gets maintained regularly.&nbsp;