GVM upgrades

[NAGG]

Hey all

6 months ago I bought myself a new Nissan Navara STX & replaced the tub with a nice Norweld tray - Very nice .

The intention was always to fit a Norweld canopy - which was a jack off giving me the flexibility to have the canopy & the tray back ute when required.
This will be a sweet set up for my long distance trips away …… lots of room (all wired to run fridges etc) - very happy.

I'm still a month away from fitting the canopy but I've started to think about the GVM …… I'm lead to believe that the canopy / tray will add about 250kgs over the cab chassis ( with tub removed) …… & it's here that I've started to consider the payload . I've worked out that once the canopy is fitted , me inside & a full load of fuel Ive got just 400kgs of payload left :o

today I bought myself a Hayman reese towball weight scale & low & behold …. there is another 180kgs that the Barcrusher adds … leaving me 220 kgs …. add a deckie = 120kgs .

120kgs has to cater for all of my camping gear ( Engel weighs 40kgs empty) … tent , poles & pegs @ 80kgs .& I've blow the budget . So need to go for a GVM :(

Has everyone one done their weights ? …….. most of us think about what we tow , but who gives too much thought to what they carry … or the extra weight via bull bars , tow bars , canopies …… gear & how many people in the car

It's a horrifying exercise …… but necessary if you want to keep your insurance in the advent of an accident

chris

[shortthenlong]

I don't have a boat of any weight so it isn't currently a problem for my 100 series but there is plenty of info out there particularly on 4wd/caravan sites. It will do your head in and then they start trying to "discuss" the difference between GVM and GCM. Anyhow is there a GVM upgrade available for the Nav? Most only give you an few hundred extra KGs but that is usually enough to get you out of trouble otherwise put the deckie on a diet?

Cheers Matt

[Homer_Jay]

I have a Lovells GVM upgrade on my LC Ute.
just keep in mine the GCM isn’t increased, so if you are towing on your maximum tow capacity you will still have problems.

if your near Sydney, look up Utimate Suspension, have had their setup on Hilux Ute and it was a great set up for the money.

[scottar]

Yep - no increase in GCM so max towing is an issue. Rules vary from state to state and between pre and post rego. Also beware of the fact you are giving the car company a big out if you have any warranty issues. "You have overloaded the vehicle" will probably be the phrase used.

[NAGG]

I don't have a boat of any weight so it isn't currently a problem for my 100 series but there is plenty of info out there particularly on 4wd/caravan sites. It will do your head in and then they start trying to "discuss" the difference between GVM and GCM. Anyhow is there a GVM upgrade available for the Nav? Most only give you an few hundred extra KGs but that is usually enough to get you out of trouble otherwise put the deckie on a diet?

Cheers Matt

I went to Pedders yesterday & got a quote for their GVM upgrade for the coil sprung Navara …… $3930 for just an extra 160kgs increase :( So while I'm not excited - it will be adequate

I don't have to worry about the GCM as I'm towing around 1.8 tonne .

The next thing will be to weigh the boat (fuelled up) & see what wiggle room I may have for cartage of some of my gear ….. or possibly move the axles & take some weight off the towball. (last resort)

Chris

[NAGG]

Yep - no increase in GCM so max towing is an issue. Rules vary from state to state and between pre and post rego. Also beware of the fact you are giving the car company a big out if you have any warranty issues. "You have overloaded the vehicle" will probably be the phrase used.

It's the stuff you learn after the fact ::). I should have had the work carried out prior to registration as a new car - The car would then comply nationally & probably saved me a grand as well. No doubt I'm going to have to watch the weights carefully .

I'm even going to go to the length of weighing what I normally carry & put it on a spreadsheet for easy calculations for trips away .

Chris

[Dignity]

Chris, try some of the 4wd outlets for a quote, the prices can vary significantly. Last time I got a quote from Pedders I found that it was excessive compared to other companies including ARB and Opposite Lock. There is a suspension place on the sunshine coast that is very reasonable.

[Sheik]

I don't have a boat of any weight so it isn't currently a problem for my 100 series but there is plenty of info out there particularly on 4wd/caravan sites. It will do your head in and then they start trying to "discuss" the difference between GVM and GCM. Anyhow is there a GVM upgrade available for the Nav? Most only give you an few hundred extra KGs but that is usually enough to get you out of trouble otherwise put the deckie on a diet?

Cheers Matt
Better still, put the deckie on the transom to reduce the towball weight?

[NAGG]

Better still, put the deckie on the transom to reduce the towball weight?

I had to laugh …. Yesterday I was checking the weights on my own & I wanted to see what difference weight distribution made - guess what , I stood on the transom ( video taped the change) - that made a 30kg difference to the tow ball weight

Chris

[Chimo]

The way things are going it will be cheaper and easier in the long run to forget the available utes and simply just buy a truck such as a petrol or diesel RAM or Ftruck of GM version.

A mate of mine just sold his HiLux and bought a 1500 RAM 5.7 lt V8 petrol. The thing turns off 4 cylinders when cruising and is quite economical not to mention that it sounds really good too........

The other interesting thing is that apparently the demand for RAMS in Aust is such that they are going to build them RHD in North America (Mexico?) so the conversion costs and headaches could also be a thing of the fast as early as 2020.

Another mate had his Toyota 200 upspeced to tow his off road van but even with the upgrade he was not legal when the family got into the Toyota. His solution was to buy a 2500 Mega Cab RAM with 6.7 lt diesel and RAM side boxes etc. Big $s but a nice ride.

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2019-ram-1500-express-swb-auto-4x4-my19/OAG-AD-17617684/?Cr=0&gts=OAG-AD-17617684&gtsSaleId=OAG-AD-17617684&gtsViewType=Showcase&rankingType=Showcase

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[Sheik]

I had to laugh …. Yesterday I was checking the weights on my own & I wanted to see what difference weight distribution made - guess what , I stood on the transom ( video taped the change) - that made a 30kg difference to the tow ball weight

Chris
I reckon I would put a bigger dint in it than that.

[Sheik]

The way things are going it will be cheaper and easier in the long run to forget the available utes and simply just buy a truck such as a petrol or diesel RAM or Ftruck of GM version.

A mate of mine just sold his HiLux and bought a 1500 RAM 5.7 lt V8 petrol. The thing turns off 4 cylinders when cruising and is quite economical not to mention that it sounds really good too........

The other interesting thing is that apparently the demand for RAMS in Aust is such that they are going to build them RHD in North America (Mexico?) so the conversion costs and headaches could also be a thing of the fast as early as 2020.

Another mate had his Toyota 200 upspeced to tow his off road van but even with the upgrade he was not legal when the family got into the Toyota. His solution was to buy a 2500 Mega Cab RAM with 6.7 lt diesel and RAM side boxes etc. Big $s but a nice ride.

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2019-ram-1500-express-swb-auto-4x4-my19/OAG-AD-17617684/?Cr=0&gts=OAG-AD-17617684&gtsSaleId=OAG-AD-17617684&gtsViewType=Showcase&rankingType=Showcase

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And they would probably go over the top of all but the biggest channel country reds, so no need for a bull bar.

[seastrength]

Hey all

6 months ago I bought myself a new Nissan Navara STX & replaced the tub with a nice Norweld tray - Very nice .

The intention was always to fit a Norweld canopy - which was a jack off giving me the flexibility to have the canopy & the tray back ute when required.
This will be a sweet set up for my long distance trips away …… lots of room (all wired to run fridges etc) - very happy.

I'm still a month away from fitting the canopy but I've started to think about the GVM …… I'm lead to believe that the canopy / tray will add about 250kgs over the cab chassis ( with tub removed) …… & it's here that I've started to consider the payload . I've worked out that once the canopy is fitted , me inside & a full load of fuel Ive got just 400kgs of payload left :o

today I bought myself a Hayman reese towball weight scale & low & behold …. there is another 180kgs that the Barcrusher adds … leaving me 220 kgs …. add a deckie = 120kgs .

120kgs has to cater for all of my camping gear ( Engel weighs 40kgs empty) … tent , poles & pegs @ 80kgs .& I've blow the budget . So need to go for a GVM :(

Has everyone one done their weights ? …….. most of us think about what we tow , but who gives too much thought to what they carry … or the extra weight via bull bars , tow bars , canopies …… gear & how many people in the car

It's a horrifying exercise …… but necessary if you want to keep your insurance in the advent of an accident

chris

Hi Chris

I went through a similar exercise when my wife and I started long distance travelling around Oz in our BT50 / slide on camper combo some years ago. After realising the slide on camper weighed 720kg empty (despite being told under 400kg by the manufacturer) we decided to go with a Pedders TrakRyder GVM upgrade. This included replacement shocks, coils and springs to increase GVM from 3.2 to 3.5 tonnes at $3349.00. We hoped this would easily cover the additional weight of a fully loaded camper. However, the weighbridge weight with myself on board, full fuel (130litres diesel), 90 litres water, 2 house 120amp AGM house batteries, empty fridge and freezer, esky, recovery gear, tool kits, compressor, poles for side awning, full 9kg gas cylinder and assorted odds and ends for bedding, cooking, clothes and fishing was 3.44 tonnes! This only left 60kg for wife, food and beer! What to do next? Ended up reducing payload by one battery and carrying less water on each trip.

My understanding from other 4WD forums is that insurers will not cover the vehicle in an accident, if deemed to be overloaded. They pick up all the broken pieces and take them to a weighbridge to check your weight after any accident. I hope that the fuel and water tanks are not full if we have an accident on an outback road as we will go close to our 3.5 tonne GVM limit on occasions.

On another note, Scottar is dead right about suspension modifications "voiding" warranty. I had paid for additional 2 years on the standard 5 year Mazda warranty with local servicing only to be told that they would not replace a front AC joint at 2 years and 26000 klm (apologies if this is not the correct term as I am not mechanical) because the suspension had been "lifted". This was not the case as I had carefully measured the chassis height before and after the upgrade and they were no different. However, I did upgrade to 265/70R16 Toyo AT tyres which were slightly bigger diameter than the standard Dunlop AT tyres that came with the vehicle. Despite my contacting Mazda head office and repeated explanations, they would not cover the AC joint replacement. Be warned!

By the way, my 6.2M alloy CC comes in at 1.7 tonnes fully loaded with fuel, ice and fishing gear, somewhat similar to your BC. Which means, I cannot tow the CC with the slide on camper on the tray. I justust have to manage with a swag on the tray.:'(

I have been thinking of replacing the Mazda BT 50 but cannot find a suitable vehicle without spending the extra dollars on a GVM upgrade. I will be interested to hear how you go with the Navara. I know the standard Ram and Ford utes will do the trick, just not sure if this is the way to go into the future with fuel prices going up.

Cheers SS

[NAGG]

Hi Chris

I went through a similar exercise when my wife and I started long distance travelling around Oz in our BT50 / slide on camper combo some years ago. After realising the slide on camper weighed 720kg empty (despite being told under 400kg by the manufacturer) we decided to go with a Pedders TrakRyder GVM upgrade. This included replacement shocks, coils and springs to increase GVM from 3.2 to 3.5 tonnes at $3349.00. We hoped this would easily cover the additional weight of a fully loaded camper. However, the weighbridge weight with myself on board, full fuel (130litres diesel), 90 litres water, 2 house 120amp AGM house batteries, empty fridge and freezer, esky, recovery gear, tool kits, compressor, poles for side awning, full 9kg gas cylinder and assorted odds and ends for bedding, cooking, clothes and fishing was 3.44 tonnes! This only left 60kg for wife, food and beer! What to do next? Ended up reducing payload by one battery and carrying less water on each trip.

My understanding from other 4WD forums is that insurers will not cover the vehicle in an accident, if deemed to be overloaded. They pick up all the broken pieces and take them to a weighbridge to check your weight after any accident. I hope that the fuel and water tanks are not full if we have an accident on an outback road as we will go close to our 3.5 tonne GVM limit on occasions.

On another note, Scottar is dead right about suspension modifications "voiding" warranty. I had paid for additional 2 years on the standard 5 year Mazda warranty with local servicing only to be told that they would not replace a front AC joint at 2 years and 26000 klm (apologies if this is not the correct term as I am not mechanical) because the suspension had been "lifted". This was not the case as I had carefully measured the chassis height before and after the upgrade and they were no different. However, I did upgrade to 265/70R16 Toyo AT tyres which were slightly bigger diameter than the standard Dunlop AT tyres that came with the vehicle. Despite my contacting Mazda head office and repeated explanations, they would not cover the AC joint replacement. Be warned!

By the way, my 6.2M alloy CC comes in at 1.7 tonnes fully loaded with fuel, ice and fishing gear, somewhat similar to your BC. Which means, I cannot tow the CC with the slide on camper on the tray. I justust have to manage with a swag on the tray.:'(

I have been thinking of replacing the Mazda BT 50 but cannot find a suitable vehicle without spending the extra dollars on a GVM upgrade. I will be interested to hear how you go with the Navara. I know the standard Ram and Ford utes will do the trick, just not sure if this is the way to go into the future with fuel prices going up.

Cheers SS

Good read there SS - That's an interesting question on Warranty after doing a GVM upgrade . My understanding is that if it is done properly through someone like lovells / pedders etc with an engineers certificate - you wont void the warranty …….. but it is something that I will check .

Chris

[GBC]

The 1500 Ram has less payload than both the Navara and the Mazda mentioned above having issues with GVM already. Need to go to a 2500 to carry anything substantial.

[Jason Green]

Good read there SS - That's an interesting question on Warranty after doing a GVM upgrade . My understanding is that if it is done properly through someone like lovells / pedders etc with an engineers certificate - you wont void the warranty …….. but it is something that I will check .

Chris

Hi Chris I think the warranty comes down to the vehicle manufacturers maximum axle weight specs and there stock rims on in the end
With my Toyota Ute I got it done before it was registered so it was nationally legal
The ARB upgrade was the only one that set there limit to the published vehicles maximum weight the others where above it
The GVM now is 3780 kg’s and if I am fully loaded I can only tow 3020 kg’s
When I took delivery of it I fuelled both tanks up and put it over the scales with nothing in it
It came back at 2580 kg’s so that gave me 1200 kg’s to play with which is not much when my welder ways around 550 with out leads and one tool box is around 250 loaded and then there is everything else to put in it including passengers but if I had not done it I would have been only able to put 720 on and in it so legally I would have been stuffed but also the genuine Toyota springs don’t last long so eventually I would have had to replace them with something more substantial
The biggest thing with it is if you don’t have it loaded up it can be like a cut snake on the road as everything is beefed up and I am also pretty sure it came back around $5000 installed but it probably was a substantially bigger upgrade weight wise then yours



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[NAGG]

Hi Chris I think the warranty comes down to the vehicle manufacturers maximum axle weight specs and there stock rims on in the end
With my Toyota Ute I got it done before it was registered so it was nationally legal
The ARB upgrade was the only one that set there limit to the published vehicles maximum weight the others where above it
The GVM now is 3780 kg’s and if I am fully loaded I can only tow 3020 kg’s
When I took delivery of it I fuelled both tanks up and put it over the scales with nothing in it
It came back at 2580 kg’s so that gave me 1200 kg’s to play with which is not much when my welder ways around 550 with out leads and one tool box is around 250 loaded and then there is everything else to put in it including passengers but if I had not done it I would have been only able to put 720 on and in it so legally I would have been stuffed but also the genuine Toyota springs don’t last long so eventually I would have had to replace them with something more substantial
The biggest thing with it is if you don’t have it loaded up it can be like a cut snake on the road as everything is beefed up and I am also pretty sure it came back around $5000 installed but it probably was a substantially bigger upgrade weight wise then yours



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The payload is the critical issue …… I've already worked out that theoretically …. I can avoid a GVM upgrade if I fill the boat and use it as a trailer - not that I want to go this path …. but ultimately I'll need a boost to the rear end & probably airbags - spend $1500 but forego the payload ,,,, or go the GVM @ $4000 to carry more in the car (tents / tarps / poles / esky etc)

Chris

[Jason Green]

The payload is the critical issue …… I've already worked out that theoretically …. I can avoid a GVM upgrade if I fill the boat and use it as a trailer - not that I want to go this path …. but ultimately I'll need a boost to the rear end & probably airbags - spend $1500 but forego the payload ,,,, or go the GVM @ $4000 to carry more in the car (tents / tarps / poles / esky etc)

Chris

Sell your trailer and get a heavier capacity one no doubt you probably don’t have much to play with the one you have I know mine has bugger all but also like Dignity said once unregister it upgrade the suspension and braking then re register it don’t know whether it works south of the border but might be worth looking into it


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[Chimo]

Why do you need to de register the trailer?
I upspecked a Tinka with hydraulic brakes etc and had the changes applied to the registration details in Qld by taking in a letter from the qualified man who did the upgrade.
Done for safety and most importantly insurance purposes without fuss.

On the tow riig side, once RAMs are available here imported as right hand drive direct from their factory the prices should come down a fair bit and they will definitely be worth considering.

[Jason Green]

Why do you need to de register the trailer?
I upspecked a Tinka with hydraulic brakes etc and had the changes applied to the registration details in Qld by taking in a letter from the qualified man who did the upgrade.
Done for safety and most importantly insurance purposes without fuss.

On the tow riig side, once RAMs are available here imported as right hand drive direct from their factory the prices should come down a fair bit and they will definitely be worth considering.

It’s probably the easiest way if you where going to modify it yourself


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[tunaticer]

It is the vehicle supplier's disgression whether to warrant any issues that possibly could come from after market upgrades or alterations. No amount of certificates will change that. It may be legal to use these upgrades if certified but the manufacturer does not and most likely will not entertain warranties. They warrant what they provided for you as is, un-altered.

Look at increasing the cartage payload on the trailer rather than getting the last KG out of the vehicle. The trailer will tow better heavier than lighter.
Even if that means you run up with fridges etc in the boat then put them into the ute when at camp.

[Dignity]

It’s probably the easiest way if you where going to modify it yourself


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Most definitely. Also putting hydraulic brakes on won't give you an automatic upgrade unless your rims and tyres have the required rating. Generally trailer manufacturers only use ratings to what the advertised load is for their trailers. I know of instances (neighbour was insurance accident investigator)where insurance has been voided on rollovers due to under rated rims/tyres.

It's becoming more difficult these days, had a mate who had a puncture on his car and drove it around the corner to the local tyre mob. He asked them to put the spare on while they fixed/repaired the faulty one. They wouldn't do it because his spare was out of date. Seems that the legal system has bitten them on this issue before,.

[NAGG]

It is the vehicle supplier's disgression whether to warrant any issues that possibly could come from after market upgrades or alterations. No amount of certificates will change that. It may be legal to use these upgrades if certified but the manufacturer does not and most likely will not entertain warranties. They warrant what they provided for you as is, un-altered.

Look at increasing the cartage payload on the trailer rather than getting the last KG out of the vehicle. The trailer will tow better heavier than lighter.
Even if that means you run up with fridges etc in the boat then put them into the ute when at camp.

There are a hell of a lot of government fleet vehicles that are bought & the GVM needs to be upgraded for the job at hand ….. ditto for mines vehicles , tradies etc - I couldn't imagine that car makers would ignore this segment & say no in the advent of an insurance claim ……. wouldn't you think ?
I'm also inclined to think that fleet managers would be all over this like a rash .

I will check with Nissan though

Chris

[Darren J]

I will check with Nissan though

Chris

Nissan refused warranty issues (for me) in rear suspension/driveline on the basis of unrelated aftermarket accessories. Example non factory wheels (although identical size and offset) and non genuine bullbat (Arb not Nissan). They chased their (acknowledged) issue at every service for 3 years unsuccessfully, and then scrambled to back out of responsibility when I bought a Toyota.

So I would not trust anything those criminals say.

Even the dealers were embarrassed and appalled at Nissan au actions, and the dealers can at times be about average in their approach to warranty.....
PS. No gvm upgrades here, so that would be a real easy one for them to hide behind.

I would think no gvm increase could however be a fair validation of no increased max load, depending on what broke...





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[NAGG]

Nissan refused warranty issues (for me) in rear suspension/driveline on the basis of unrelated aftermarket accessories. Example non factory wheels (although identical size and offset) and non genuine bullbat (Arb not Nissan). They chased their (acknowledged) issue at every service for 3 years unsuccessfully, and then scrambled to back out of responsibility when I bought a Toyota.

So I would not trust anything those criminals say.

Even the dealers were embarrassed and appalled at Nissan au actions, and the dealers can at times be about average in their approach to warranty.....
PS. No gvm upgrades here, so that would be a real easy one for them to hide behind.

I would think no gvm increase could however be a fair validation of no increased max load, depending on what broke...





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Interesting when the Nissan dealer is offering & fitting non genuine accessories ….. towbars , bullbars (ARB) Simmons wheels etc …….

Who is liable for a warranty claim ?

Chris

[tunaticer]

Interesting when the Nissan dealer is offering & fitting non genuine accessories ….. towbars , bullbars (ARB) Simmons wheels etc …….

Who is liable for a warranty claim ?

Chris
If the nissan dealer fits the non-genuine items he must offer warranty unless they have you sign a waiver contract.
Nissan would be one of the worst groups at avoiding warranty claims, at least on par with Ford and Mercedes.

[NAGG]

If the nissan dealer fits the non-genuine items he must offer warranty unless they have you sign a waiver contract.
Nissan would be one of the worst groups at avoiding warranty claims, at least on par with Ford and Mercedes.

Well that's exactly the scenario at Penrith Nissan …… they fitted the new wheels & tyres - & arranged the fitting of a Norweld tray through them

I'm thinking based on those examples - they wouldn't have a leg to stand on

I've sent an email off to the dealer .. re GVM upgrades & warranty - asking for an unambiguous response...…. I'll share the response

Chris

[Darren J]

They fitted all mine at point of sale (new) and packaged it all into the sale price...


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[NAGG]

They fitted all mine at point of sale (new) and packaged it all into the sale price...


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so are you under the impression that your warranty covers these upgrades ?

Chris

[Darren J]

so are you under the impression that your warranty covers these upgrades ?

Chris

Not at all. But I am of the opinion using a bullbar as an excuse not to fix a diff backlash issue is. Beyond p&$$ poor.

First it was non factory leaf springs, so we changed them back to stock, just to prove unrelated. The Busan mechanic was of that opinion to begin with. Then it was front suspension as an excuse, even though it was diagnosed by them as a rear end problem. Then after that, the bullbar was at fault. Then the wheels. The dealer Actually asked them if the brake controller would be an acceptable modification????? I listened to the call. After checking with someone else, the Nissan au person confirmed that as ok... very reasonable of them.

In the end they admitted, they would raise every non Nissan branded part on the car before they would look at the actual issue, which they agreed was in the driveline.

This attitude came to a head when they heard I bought a Toyota and they immediately wanted nothing to do with solving the issue anymore.

Crooks in every way. I Leased and drove their cars for ten years. That will be the last for me in my lifetime.

PS Chris. We are not talking about warranting after market parts here.


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[Lovey80]

Darren J. Just listening to your story on top of all the people that had issues with blown 3L engines and how they were treated, means I’ll never buy a new Nissan in my life also.

[Ah Me Ting]

This is slightly off topic but interlinked given the comments and discussion in this thread...

Warranty on cars is the responsibility of the SELLING dealer. It's NOT the manufacturer. It's covered by the "Australian Consumer Law" and applies equally to cars as it does things like fridges, washing machines, phones, tents, etc.

So BEFORE you get stuffed around by any dealer, make sure you know the law and where YOU stand.

You do not have to call the manufacturer, it is not up to the manufacturer, it is up to the dealer who sold you the vehicle.

There is currently no precedent case law on vehicle warranty though. Why? Because dealers who get taken to court by consumers quickly settle and do not risk having a court judgement. The manufacturers help the dealers keep it this way.

So, any fight, argument, over warranty is between you and the dealer who sold you the vehicle. The dealer then has to deal with the cost and any back charge hold back offset with the manufacturer.

Before arguments with a dealer, get some legal advice. Might cost you a couple of hundred dollars but being armed with the law will quickly put the argument in your favour.

And, remember the power of social media and posting recordings of conversations is VERY POWERFUL. Just make sure you follow the laws in relation to recording a conversation applicable to your state. Best person for advice is a Private Investigator, they know all the laws for this type of stuff. Once you know the rules, use them to always record conversations with any dealer in relation to warranty issues.

I've had plenty of battles with car dealers over warranty and know that once the law is quoted to them with exact phrases the whole conversation changes. Get advice for yourself.

PS: key phrase 'fit for purpose' and always keep the brochures and marketing stuff they used at the time of sale... 'false and misleading advertising' is rife in the industry.

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[bluefin59]

look up accc it’s all their,they can’t just wipe there hands of warranty even if you alter the vehicle they have to prove it affected the parts mentioned . Matt

[NAGG]

It is the vehicle supplier's disgression whether to warrant any issues that possibly could come from after market upgrades or alterations. No amount of certificates will change that. It may be legal to use these upgrades if certified but the manufacturer does not and most likely will not entertain warranties. They warrant what they provided for you as is, un-altered.

Look at increasing the cartage payload on the trailer rather than getting the last KG out of the vehicle. The trailer will tow better heavier than lighter.
Even if that means you run up with fridges etc in the boat then put them into the ute when at camp.

I decided to put my boat & trailer over a weigh bridge today & was pleasantly surprised

Full of fuel , Seat box & mackerel box , Minn kota & batteries - normal safety gear / gaffs etc & I came in at 1740kgs - I have an ATM of 2000kgs …… so throwing in another 120-150kgs of camping / fishing gear wont be a drama.

I wish I could say the same for the Navara which came in at 2300 kgs with a full fuel load

That leaves me with 610kkgs
I've been told the canopy will come in a 210kgs …… leaving me with 400kgs - less driver & deckie …… 200kgs left - Towball weight of 160kgs giving me a very sad payload of 40kgs to stay under the limit - :'(

It's pretty clear that I wont get away without a GVM if I want to carry even basic camping gear perishables & a fridge in the back - the 160kg GVM upgrade is looking like a necessity

either that or throw the deckie in the boat as well :P

Chris

[Chimo]

Or just put your $s into a more capable truck and be done with it !!!!!!

[NAGG]

Or just put your $s into a more capable truck and be done with it !!!!!!

Not after just buying the Navara & putting on the Norweld tray & shortly the canopy …. etc

I'll just need to make it work in what I carry in the car & in the boat ……. the GVM upgrade will allow me to carry everything I want in the car & still leave me with spare capacity.

Chris

[Chimo]

Hope it works out OK for you, good luck with it and by the way have a great Xmas too.

Chimo

[NAGG]

Hope it works out OK for you, good luck with it and by the way have a great Xmas too.

Chimo

Appreciate that …. Ta

As much as anything this exercise has raised my awareness of the whole subject …… A lot of people concentrate on the towing capacity & the GCM ….. but it's when you look at the GVM of your vehicle & what you put on it - bull bars , tow bars , duel batteries , canopies , roof racks …..., then add your load inside the car + people …… the GVM quickly is stretched and exceeded with the trailer added on the towbar. I bet there are a hell of a lot of cars out there towing that are exceeding their weights .

Chris