jeep or nissan patrol?

[airlock]

Well my not so trusty Mitsubishi chalanger has given up the ghost once and for all, so the time has come for a new tow vehicle.

i've narrowed my choice down to the jeep grand cherokee and the Nissan patrol as both are in budget with a very high braked towing capacity. but i can't seem to make the choice, i'm looking at the jeep with the 5.7 hemi with around 130K and about 05-07 year models or patrols with the 4.8 petrol motor around the 170K mark and 02 year models as these both fall into a $15Kish budget.

so far the jeep is a known entity as I've owned a similar car before in the 4.7, it was a comfortable car very nice to drive but had a few niggles with reliability, it towed very well and coped with offered duty well enough. however parts are more expensive and aftermarket support is much less then the patrol and as mentioned the reliability is not so good.

On the other hand the patrol seems a solid option with tons of space, good track record and more then enough grunt to pull the boat and gear. however they are more expensive, with higher miles and generally older.

could any one way in on this one to help me make the choice, my heart says powerful, cheaper and more comfortable jeep while my head suggest go with the more reliable Nissan with a wider range of parts and availability.

[Chimo]

Patrol is more reliable but unless you have a soft foot thirsty, but then again so will the Jeep suck ULP.
Have you looked at a Patrol in diesel? Mine is yet to hit 200K and runs like the wind.

Chimo

[PixieAU]

Check out patrol4x4.com for info on the Patrol (but be careful many of them will try to talk you into a diesel which will just open up more options)

Can't speak for Jeep but I read good things about Patrol 4.8 (I have a GQ 4.2TD). The 4.8 is a powerful motor and will pass anything but a petrol bowser!

[Rodman]

What is urge to get a V8 4x4 expensive to run and expensive rego

[hainsofast]

Never buy a jeep

[Noelm]

Patrol...even though I don't own one, but I know a few people with Jeeps, and none of them are exactly thrilled with reliability or quality, turbo diesel every time for me.

[Kondo 1]

The 4.8 whilst thirsty is bulletproof. Patrol parts are everywhere and they are ALLOT more reliable than the jeep.


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[Oceanic Dave]

Coming in late to the conversation but I hope the Jeep is off the list. All the above is true and even yourself have experienced reliability issues. Other option would be a toyota prado if 2.5T is enough towing?

[Chimo]

Or if 2.5 tonne is enough (legally) a GQ Patrol 4.2T diesel is reasonably priced and very durable.

[Mupster]

Never buy a jeep

Just Empty Every Pocket JEEP!

[scottar]

I love the Jeep add where hubby looks over the fence and then asks "What happened to the Johnson's?". As we all know from wifey's response - "They bought a Jeep". My take is said Jeep then proceeded to break down and the poor old Johnson's are now stuffed, possibly dead in the middle of nowhere :P. My take on the OP's question - If you are more interested in what bells and whistle's you get for your dollar than if they actually work - buy a Jeep. (It's a Jeep thing and they are right, I really don't understand). If you want a no nonsense, rock solid platform that just gets the job done but with a minimum of creature comforts and bells and whistles, the Patrols the go.

[Skusto]

just to throw a left field out there have you looked at the petrol cruiser 4.5? if reliability is key id look at them.

[scottar]

just to throw a left field out there have you looked at the petrol cruiser 4.5? if reliability is key id look at them.

Or even the V8. The cruiser also has the added benefit of being able to drive in low range on the black top with all four wheels after a very slight "modification". This was actually one of my own specific requirements due to a narrow street (tight corner) and a grass incline when reversing the boat in that reduced the list to Landcruiser or Landcruiser.

[Deano70]

Just Empty Every Pocket JEEP!

Just expect every problem


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[honda900]

So many Jeep owners with valued information on the forum.. all of them with WH's as well, outstanding advice...

BTW mine has done a water pump, had a couple stupid issues, however never lost a rear wheel at 100ks an hour, never had the exhaust recycled through the oil, the other 20 thousand problems with the Nissan. And the jeep can pull an empty trailer out of the water without needing low range or dumping the clutch as well as doing the speed limit towing a 3.00 tonne boat and even overtake.

One of the deciding factors is ratio % onroad off road / Comfort.

Anyway if you want an unbiased opinion PM me.


Regards
Honda.

[Noelm]

Are you saying that the Patrol won't pull an empty trailer out of the water without low range? I happen to know, as a fact, that a standard old Patrol will happily pull a Sharkcat out of the water in H2 (or H4 if it's low tide) just as I did with my mates Patrol this morning....

[honda900]

Are you saying that the Patrol won't pull an empty trailer out of the water without low range? I happen to know, as a fact, that a standard old Patrol will happily pull a Sharkcat out of the water in H2 (or H4 if it's low tide) just as I did with my mates Patrol this morning....


yeah I am,

manual desal that I personally drove, stalled 3 times trying to pull a 3.4mtr empty trailer from a boat ramp... Owner says rev the shit out of it and dump the clutch.. Fact.. And there was no issue with the car. When I yelled at the owner, wheres all the torque... was laughable.


regards
HOnda.

[scottar]

Yeah, have to think something isn't right there Honda. Sure - his car may have always been that way but it's not what I would expect from my experience with both the 4.2 my BIL owned or the 3 litre I had. If it was the 2.8 though all bets are off. They almost won't pull the skin off a custard tart.

[honda900]

Scott,

You are correct it was a 2.8 TD.

Regards
Honda.

[Noelm]

Not too sure the actual motor has a lot to do with, it's all about gear ratios, remember when in low range, you change nothing on the engine, but you can pull almost anything up almost any ramp....now to be 100% fair, I have never been in 2.8 Patrol, but can't believe the gear ratio in first would be too much different?? Never had any trouble (except for traction) towing all sorts of boats out of ramps with either my mates Patrol, or my own Land Cruiser without low range.

[Chimo]

2.8 Patrols are great machines when you drop a 4.2 TD into them.

[scottar]

2.8 Patrols are great machines when you drop a 4.2 TD into them.

Yep. They were an absolute slug. Many an unsuspecting caravaner has been caught by an unscrupulous car salesman combined with inexperience. People get caught out by asking is it a 4 or 6 cylinder - not knowing that the 2.8 was a 6. They figure it out real quick though when they strap the van to it.

[PROS]

I happen to drive brand new cars straight out of dealer pretty much most days of the week.
Cant comment much for the earlier models but current Jeep GC diesel is a one of the best in its class to drive; fast, luxury, hi tech, seems to be good economy.
On the other hand, I don't understand why Nissan insists on making the Patrol so primitive, seems to be designed for caveman, why cant they put some bulbs in to rear stop lights assembly to make it work, same drama with Mitsubishi Pajero.

Frankly, I haven't towed with either Jeep or Navara, but if I was to own one, Jeep would definitely be my current choice regardless of the feedback.

Max

[Noelm]

I would reckon all brand new cars are OK to drive, quality issues show up after you have owned the vehicle for a while, not on the first drive!

[Feral]

will pass anything but a petrol bowser!

Like that analogy! will have to squirrel it away for use!

[Dan5]

I had a 100 v8 for 5 years they can be very thirsty when pushed but are very nice to drive with the 5speed auto box and will tow anything put behind it and can be bought in your price range.......very reliable drive line with few issues parts are easy to get and most can be bought after market if you choose to go that way.

Patrol 4.8 is a good choice also with a solid reputation for reliability but is also going to be pretty thirsty but I suspect you a fully aware of the pitfalls of buying a large petrol 4wd.

[GBC]

2.8 Patrols are great machines when you drop a 4.2 TD into them.

And radiator and gearbox and gearbox crossmember and engine mounts and diffs and in some cases prop shafts too. Plenty of differences between the two.

[hookinin]

My choice would be the Patrol but I would also look at the Cruiser 100 series as both great and any petrol in that size will be heavy on fuel but that's why they are so much cheaper to buy. I wouldn't even consider the jeep but that's my opinion.

[Chimo]

Your right GBC and don't forget the air box and intercooler and the the other bits and bobs. I asked my mechanic who is doing this at the moment to his, how much to rebuild my 4.2 to match the specs of the one he is doing up in his clean room (will rev to 6500 or so) and he said around $45 so I decided to keep my 4000 odd rpm motor instead...............

Makes more sense to just buy a 4.2 Patrol or Toyota for the $s suggested as the thread budget dont ya think?

[airlock]

Well a very delayed thanks for the input and thoughts on this one. For any who are interested i ended up going with the 5.7 jeep after testing a few of both.
The 3L patrol was slightly slower then then my old 125cc scooter and the reputation really did put me off, the larger engines whent bloody well but my budget couldn't comfortable fit the TI model and i found the ST with its lack of abs and other driver aids and comfort features a little off putting untill a fatful test drive ( very wet roads) at which point i decided that the salesman locking it up at the lights was a good indicator this wasn't the truck for me.

I ended up finding a clean low KlM's 5.7 grand cherokee with a little additional bling for just over the $11K after the government took its hefty slice, while i am still a little unsure about how long its going to remain trouble free i figure that unless its a big issue i should still be a little ahead, although not nearly as much if i'd gone for the more sensible but more expensive 3.0L grand cherokee.

If my next post is asking for used jeep motors then you do of course have the right to laugh at my stupidity.

[hainsofast]

Jeep, just expect every problem

[tug_tellum]

JEEP Just Empty Every Pocket

[WildFishExpeditions]

How much is your town weight?

[The Woo]

Well a very delayed thanks for the input and thoughts on this one. For any who are interested i ended up going with the 5.7 jeep after testing a few of both.
The 3L patrol was slightly slower then then my old 125cc scooter and the reputation really did put me off, the larger engines whent bloody well but my budget couldn't comfortable fit the TI model and i found the ST with its lack of abs and other driver aids and comfort features a little off putting untill a fatful test drive ( very wet roads) at which point i decided that the salesman locking it up at the lights was a good indicator this wasn't the truck for me.

I ended up finding a clean low KlM's 5.7 grand cherokee with a little additional bling for just over the $11K after the government took its hefty slice, while i am still a little unsure about how long its going to remain trouble free i figure that unless its a big issue i should still be a little ahead, although not nearly as much if i'd gone for the more sensible but more expensive 3.0L grand cherokee.

If my next post is asking for used jeep motors then you do of course have the right to laugh at my stupidity.
I owned a 5.7 in the same WH series as yours. Being a Limited spec it will have the front and rear electronic lockers, and is therefore very very good off road.
Mine had a diff whine in the back that was repaired under warranty, and a power steering pump that failed out of warranty. New one shipped in 2 days from Just For Jeeps in the US for under $100 after Dealer wanted $500 and 8 week wait.
They do seem to eat front diff bushes so if it get a clunk in the front it's that. Otherwise they're actually a very sturdy thing, and they tow great.


How much is your town weight?
They're rated to 350kg on the tongue.

[Noelm]

Just off topic a bit, I saw a new Patrol today, looks like the Nissan design team have finally got out of the 80's, although the front does look very Patrol like, the car in general looks pretty good, not at all like it was built from a Lego kit, like the last 25 years have been.

[JulianDeMarchi]

The Y62s are the biggest disappointment if you're after a real truck. IFS front end...

The worst choice Nissan made were getting rid of the 4.2s... The second worst choice was the Y62 with the IFS front end.

[Noelm]

Know nothing about the mechanicals, just commenting on the appearance, bit hard to see stuff like IFS and motors when in traffic....