New overhead reel for 1770 trip- 15KG Rod

[Nicholas2230]

Hi Guys

Bought a new rod at the tackle show yesterday that I need to pair up with a reel. My budget for the reel would be up to $350.00- $400.00 and I am a big shimano fan but happy to look at something else.

I want to use this to do some bottom bashing and jigging.

The rod it's going on is a Gary Howard Outsider 15kg full roller overhead.

Cheers and thanks for any help you can offer.

Nick

[Jsmfun]

diawa saltist 35 2 speed $399 great reel can be used for bottom bashing / floatling lining / jigging/ idealy for 50 pound braid

[Horse]

I'm not sure that a full roller rod is going to be suitable for bottom bashing and jigging. Perhaps you could exchange it for something like a venom. For what you are planning I would grab something like a Torium or even a Release SG. Keep it light

[Jakers 69]

Agree 100% with Horse. 1 Torium 20 for $ 159 left at BCF Burleigh.

[SUPERDAFF]

Shimano TLD is a perfect match (and great value for money) on the Gary Howard Outsider 15kg (yes, I've got one too) and it also doubles as a great rig for small blacks, wahoo and dorado. IMHO, the biggest mistake made by some is that they put too much lead on for bottom bashing in an effort to race it down perhaps 70-100m. They send it screaming past the quality fish sitting higher in the water column. Wafting baits down to the bottom provides a higher much higher yield of quality fish. The Torium is a top reel, especially with the thumb flick lever - have one mated to a Texalium - another very good rig. Would be happy with that on the GH as well. Venoms are pretty remarkable with their 40lb dead lift teamed with a Tyrnos, but I've seen one sprung out of its seats by an XXXOS cobe. Also proved the quality and robustness of the first line guide. Just a couple of thoughts but again, you can feel pretty confident with the TLD if you are going to target anywhere from the Cathedrals, 35's and 100m off Brisbane up to the reefs off 1770 and wide of Gladstone.

[hilta1]

Have a look at the Finnor Marquesa MT30, fast retrieve and great reel.

[Nicholas2230]

Thanks very much for all your suggestions guys! Much appreciated. Horse is there any reason why you wouldn't recommend a roller rod for jigging or bottom bashing? This is my first proper overhead set up so there is probably something I have over looked. Problem is I don't think I can return it as I bought it at the tackle show. Super daff what size TLD would you suggest? A 15? I will also check out the torium 20
as that seems like sensational value. Would it be ok on this rod or what I have to swap it for the venom rod? Would you guys load these with braid? Cheers

Nick

[Jakers 69]

Nick, we use fully rolled rods mainly for bill fish and their by catch, mainly due to the high friction and tension that can occur during the hookup. They are also high maintenace rods that needs to be cleaned and serviced on a regular basis. There action is not really designed for jigging or bottom bashing. TLD's are proven work horses at the bottom of the range and great value for money, and yes I would recommend braid from around 50pd for jigging and bottom. A great all rounder would be a Simano T Curve 200 O/H jigging rod( they are a bit taller than the normal jig rods and a softer tip)around $ 250, and a Toruim 20 reel( 10kg drag) I only recommend the Toruim because I think it is value for money. I use a Talica 16 0n my Live Fibre Venom's and T Curve. Its all about horses for courses at the end of the day.

[diabolical]

some good options in that budget, for a bit more Talica/Torque.

1. Talica
2. Fin Nor Marquesa
3. Okuma Cedros
4. Penn Fathom/Torque

Venom or Tcurve 200 with 50 or 65lb

[Tangles]

You need 2 rods i reckon for Agnes but seeing as you have a trolling rod why not make it 3 outfits

1: Trolling outfit ie your roller rod. Get yourself a Tyrnos20 and load it with 20-30 pound mono, nice spanish up there. Thats what the rods built for and it will be an awesome trolling outfit.

2: Bottom Basher, seems your thinking of an OH so basically 2 options, a jigging stick or a more traditional 15-24 kg OH, ( can double as a trolling outfit but you have that)

: T-Curves, Ugly Sticks or Fin Nor etc... then theres the Venom which i would go, ie the Venom 250 or 350 OH ( I use a Venom 250 and have landed some good reds on it but would get a 350 next time)
: any good OH 15-24 kg stick like a live fibre or Gary Howard Ugly Stick etc

3: A light spin stick 6- 8 kgs, so can flick placcies, or throw small baits into bombies or use as a bait jig stick as well, also good for spanglies in the lagoons at night.

With reels i reckon get into a tackle store and just see what suits you best, theres a big range or brands and prices

If your into a lighter bottom bashing outfit which will knock over most fish there is a new Venom 7 foot OH 2-5 PE which are like the old live fibres but a lot lighter, i have that with a Talica 16 with 65 braid and bloody awesome! knocked over a 12kg red earlier this year with ease.

One rod isnt enough mate, its fine, you cant die with too much tackle!

[bannana]

The softer the rod the better in my opinion so that's why I use a "bring it on". I don't even like a 15-24 Wilson live fibre. Too stiff for my liking but I'm only chasing fish to 10kgs. Line 50lb bionic (pink). Reel -Torsa 20 or 30.

I think the main problem is guys fish way to heavy. 80 lb braid and 100+ lb leader. It's way over the top unless your fishing for the big boys. I'd rather fill the box and catch consistent quality as opposed to going really heavy and landing that one fish. If the fish are of the chew I drop back to fishing 30lb mono on the same rod with no leader and a running ball sinker.


I also like the Tyrnos 20 if the Torsa's out of the price range.

good luck I hope what ever combo you end up with belts a few quality fish on your first hit out with it.

cheers

[Daintreeboy]

It's worth pointing out the FinNor offshore rods are selling for as low as $129 right now so that puts them right into contention. Chuck a Talica 8, Saltiga 30 or Penn Torque 15 or 25N on the 50lb rod and you'll have a pretty sweet set up.

[Nicholas2230]

loving all of the input guys!!

I will run this by you.

Thanks to a combnination of all of the information above I am now thinking of running 3 set ups.

1. Stradic FJ 5000 (30LB power pro) on Terez 7ft 15-30LB Medium action- I already own this set up. (throwing small metals, soft plastics)

2. Tyrnos 20 2 speed (50LB power pro) on Gary Howard Outsider 15kg. (trolling, Live baiting) $400.00 for the Reel including Braid.

3. Shimano Saragosa 10000 SW (50 LB Power Pro) on a custom made "bring it on" $400.00 reel including braid, $350.00 rod.


A little over budget but what do you guys think of the set ups? What are your thoughts on the Saragosa spinning reel bang for buck?

[Bull]

loving all of the input guys!!

I will run this by you.

Thanks to a combnination of all of the information above I am now thinking of running 3 set ups.

1. Stradic FJ 5000 (30LB power pro) on Terez 7ft 15-30LB Medium action- I already own this set up. (throwing small metals, soft plastics)

2. Tyrnos 20 2 speed (50LB power pro) on Gary Howard Outsider 15kg. (trolling, Live baiting) $400.00 for the Reel including Braid.

3. Shimano Saragosa 10000 SW (50 LB Power Pro) on a custom made "bring it on" $400.00 reel including braid, $350.00 rod.


A little over budget but what do you guys think of the set ups? What are your thoughts on the Saragosa spinning reel bang for buck?

With your second set up I would just buy the single speed I doubt you would ever use the low gear and I would run 10 or 15kg mono for trolling you will fit about 500m of 15kg on the Tyrnos 20. Then you could use this reel for float lining as well.
Cheers Brett

[Daintreeboy]

1. That'll work and you already have it.
2. Yes again but as above the two speed is a luxury and with that line class you don't really need it so can save money on the single speed. I'd go even further and look at a TLD or Penn Squall to save even more cash.
3. Yes on the reel. A Daiwa Seagate 4500 would also be a good option for a cheaper reel (not to mention others as well but the Gosa will be good). Any links to that rod? What blank is it?

[Nicholas2230]

1. That'll work and you already have it.
2. Yes again but as above the two speed is a luxury and with that line class you don't really need it so can save money on the single speed. I'd go even further and look at a TLD or Penn Squall to save even more cash.
3. Yes on the reel. A Daiwa Seagate 4500 would also be a good option for a cheaper reel (not to mention others as well but the Gosa will be good). Any links to that rod? What blank is it?

Thanks for your replies mate, I am sorry to have so many questions its jut that I grew up fishing the Maroochy river and am not familiar with offshore gear (yet)

I think I will end up going with the Saragosa as I really do like Shimano and their 10 year warranty. Do you think this will be an ok reel for deep jigging and bottom bashing? Is the retrieval rate fast enough for jigging, It cranks at 102cms per turn. Has up to 15kg of drag and will hold roughly 400 metres of 50LB power pro. I am now considering going a Terez again as I like the guides and feel of them, out of the two below which do you think would be more suited to the 10000SW and for jigging and bottom bashing on 50LB braid?


TC4 Terez Spin 7'2" Med-Hvy (Fast)

2.18M

1

30-50Lbs



TC4 Terez Spin 7' X-Hvy (Fast)

2.13M

1

40-80Lbs





Cheers

Nick

[Jakers 69]

Nick, the Gosa is a fine and good reel and will work fine for various styles of fishing, but I would not recommend a Terez for Jigging. I own a couple of Terez rods, but I don't use them for jigging.
Look at previous comments for advice on Jig rods.

[outta line]

Iam with Keith( bannana) on this ... the trip I went on with him I was using a 450g venom and 80lb braid and the boys were getting a lot more fish than I was on there lighter rods .. So I sold the venom and now have a bunker syndrome a bit heavier rod than the bring it on built with the same blank .. Here's hoping I get to get back up there soon to give it a flogging .... Mick

[Nicholas2230]

Once again thanks for all the replies guys, do you think I could do a bit of bottom bashing and jigging with the Bring it on/ Bunker Syndrome? Or am I better to go some type of T -curve as an all rounder?

Cheers
Nick

[Daintreeboy]

Sorry I missed the part about primarily jigging. I would advise against those rods. The Fin Nor I mentioned will be better due to the shorter length. The T curve 200 even better so its a price thing. The reel will be ok although that retrieve is a little on the high side for Jigging. Try to aim for a rod no longer than 6 foot. You won't go wrong with the two rods I've mentioned or some of the others people have pointed out.

[bannana]

Iam with Keith( bannana) on this ... the trip I went on with him I was using a 450g venom and 80lb braid and the boys were getting a lot more fish than I was on there lighter rods .. So I sold the venom and now have a bunker syndrome a bit heavier rod than the bring it on built with the same blank .. Here's hoping I get to get back up there soon to give it a flogging .... Mick

Mick,

mate the boats back in the water up there as of Friday. Let me know what days your free and I'm ready to roll.
Keen to get a double bag on trout and reds.

[bannana]

Once again thanks for all the replies guys, do you think I could do a bit of bottom bashing and jigging with the Bring it on/ Bunker Syndrome? Or am I better to go some type of T -curve as an all rounder?

Cheers
Nick

Hey Nick,

mate if your going to jig don't even bother trying a "Bring it on" or a " Bunker Syndrome". As I said there an extremely soft rod. I should get out next week and I will do a report and take a few pics of my set up.
I have fished with a heap of guys and almost everyone has gone away from the broomstick approach.

[Daintreeboy]

The way this cyclone is tracking no one is going anywhere!!

[bannana]

The way this cyclone is tracking no one is going anywhere!!

Fingers crossed perhaps.

I'll fish the creek if I have too.

[outta line]

Mick,

mate the boats back in the water up there as of Friday. Let me know what days your free and I'm ready to roll.
Keen to get a double bag on trout and reds.

SH#T Keith wish i seen this post last night.. i would be up there mate ..looks like there is a window up there for fri-sat.i had today off work and fished 85m ground off pin ....did 90km trip for 2 snappa....lol...... the current was roaring drifting at 6kph water temp 27.2 couldnt hold bottom towed lures for a few hours for no joy.......cheers for the invite again mate ill give you a buzz next week..... hope you get a chance to get out bud and get onto a few .. mick

[Nicholas2230]

Hi Guys

made some new purchases today

Saragosa 10000 SW to run on following rods 6'9 terez X Heavy 40-100lbs for bottom bashing and live baiting and a T curve deep jig 200 for jigging and a bit of live baiting also- I may eventually by another spin reel for jigging but the guy at the shop seem to think the 10000 will be great for both.

Had a look at the demon bloods in the same sizes but the Shimano rods just felt a little better in my hands. I'm pretty sure it's because of the larger grips. I have to say that I was impressed with the Daiwa gear and it was a tough decision.

i will also be ordering a "bring it on" overhead to pair with a reel yet to be chosen