2010 daiwa certate

[jpcqw1]

just took my certate apart because its not very smooth and noticed theres very little to no lubrication on the parts and gears!!! is this normal? and should I get it serviced. Only been used about 10 times.

[Fafnir]

Contact Daiwa service department. Doesn't sound right. I have a few Certates and love them, but I have heard a few stories about problems with them. I have found Daiwa pretty good to deal with in the past so I would recommend sending them an email. The email address is service @ daiwaaustralia and it's a .com.au. Obviously take out the spaces.

[TimD]

You have probably voided the warranty by pulling it apart yourself :-X



cheers tim :)

[Fafnir]

You have probably voided the warranty by pulling it apart yourself :-X

If purchased in 2010 would it be outside of the warranty period already? Or do Certates have more than a 12 month warranty?

[TimD]

Pretty sure it would of had a 5 year warranty :thumbsup:


cheers tim :)

[robtarr]

You have probably voided the warranty by pulling it apart yourself :-X



cheers tim :)

there's nothing too complicated in a Certate - probably not a bad idea getting comfortable stripping it down anyway

only issue I've had is with the line roller bearing - after replacing twice I now spray it after every session - from seeing other threads on Certates sounds like a weakness - still a lovely reel though

cheers Rob

[TimD]

there's nothing too complicated in a Certate - probably not a bad idea getting comfortable stripping it down anyway

only issue I've had is with the line roller bearing - after replacing twice I now spray it after every session - from seeing other threads on Certates sounds like a weakness - still a lovely reel though

cheers Rob


Rob have u got the old blue certate or the new one with the mag seal ?


I wouldn't pull any of my reels apart while there under warranty, if daiwa gave me a faulty reel then they would be fixing it.


Why void your warranty to get comfortable with pulling your reel down ?


just my 2 cents


cheers tim :)

[robtarr]

Rob have u got the old blue certate or the new one with the mag seal ?


I wouldn't pull any of my reels apart while there under warranty, if daiwa gave me a faulty reel then they would be fixing it.


Why void your warranty to get comfortable with pulling your reel down ?


just my 2 cents


cheers tim :)

not having a shot Tim just not had much faith in warranty from past experience especially after a bit of time has past since purchase

sounds like I stand corrected as well - I own the blue model so no mag seal to contend with....does it require a special tool?

[Fafnir]

I wouldn't pull any of my reels apart while there under warranty, if daiwa gave me a faulty reel then they would be fixing it.

How does that go with getting your reel serviced in a tackle store? Do they have to go back to Daiwa to be serviced whilst under warranty?

Also could they tell if they have been pulled apart? Maybe just say it feels like there's something wrong and let them pull it apart down there?

I've always found Daiwa to be pretty good, they might not worry too much about the whole warranty thing if it just needs a lube?

[TimD]

not having a shot Tim just not had much faith in warranty from past experience especially after a bit of time has past since purchase

sounds like I stand corrected as well - I own the blue model so no mag seal to contend with....does it require a special tool?


Rob i've never had to have any warranty work done with my Daiwa gear so not sure how good there warranty service is. I did have shocking warranty service once from Shimano after my offshore trolling rod snapped after only being used a couple of times, it took about 4-5 months for them to send me a replacement rod.


Regarding the Mag Seal, i'm no expert but i would think a special tool would be required to pull it apart.





How does that go with getting your reel serviced in a tackle store? Do they have to go back to Daiwa to be serviced whilst under warranty?

Also could they tell if they have been pulled apart? Maybe just say it feels like there's something wrong and let them pull it apart down there?

I've always found Daiwa to be pretty good, they might not worry too much about the whole warranty thing if it just needs a lube?


Pretty sure while under warranty the reels get sent back to Daiwa to be looked at. I'm sure the blokes at Daiwa aren't stupid and would probably have a fair idea if someone has pulled there reel apart.

[robtarr]

the mag seal doesn't look like much fun to try at home....

http://daiwafishing.com.au/?page_id=6102

[jpcqw1]

it was actually pretty easy too take apart and put back together. mag seal came off with a philips screw-driver. I will put up some photos.

[Fafnir]

I'm sure the blokes at Daiwa aren't stupid and would probably have a fair idea if someone has pulled there reel apart.

Not suggesting they are of course, but how would they know? Screw heads being a little burred? That would be the only way I could tell. Do you think anything else would give it away?

Not having a go, just curious.

[TimD]

Not suggesting they are of course, but how would they know? Screw heads being a little burred? That would be the only way I could tell. Do you think anything else would give it away?

Not having a go, just curious.


Buggers me mate, burred screw heads would definately give it away. If they pulled the reel down and found different grease to what they use in the factory that would also give it away.


You would really need to know someone in the reel repair game to know how they can tell if a reel has been pulled down.


cheers tim :)

[Brent_P]

The Daiwa Australia website seems to be down right now, but I remember that Daiwa have always said, since the introduction of the 2010 Certate, that only Daiwa 'technicians' can disassemble mag seal reels, because only they have access to their special magnetic oil, which needs to be replaced after disassembly to form a waterproof seal again. I also remember (and would've cut and pasted it if their website wasn't down) that the service section of their website says you may void your warranty if you try to service the 2010 Certate yourself - they even go so far as to say "and yes, we ALWAYS know" and talk about screw heads and non-OEM grease.

If you want to lube the gears, and you're prepared to risk it, you can access them without removing the rotor by removing just the rear cap, if you use a small paint brush (and you're very careful). You can apply grease to the drive gear and oscillation gear through this gap, and turning the handle will transfer some of the grease to the pinion gear. This is what I did with mine, and yes, the gears seemed to be bone dry.

Cheers,
Brent.

[jpcqw1]

since the reel has no oil or lubrication on the gears will adding grease on the gears and oil on the bearings make the reel alot smoother?. dont care about waranty.

[Brent_P]

since the reel has no oil or lubrication on the gears will adding grease on the gears and oil on the bearings make the reel alot smoother?. dont care about waranty.

After I greased the gears, my 2010 certate was quite a bit smoother and quieter, but I did that when it was still new. Be sure to use a quality grease, specifically made for fishing reels (or other marine equipment, at least). I usually use ZPI F/0, but there's plenty of good ones available.

You can still send your reel to Daiwa to be serviced, if you want the magnetic oil replaced. I think I saw the price for a service at around $30, but I can't check that, because Daiwa's Australian website is still down. A cyber attack from a customer who'd had one too many corroded line roller bearings? Wouldn't surprise me... ;D

Cheers,
Brent.