Help with anti reverse

[Funchy]

Gday
reasonably new to reels with bails, bearings etc. I have a quantum Accurist 30 loaded with10 lb braid. I have researched some youtube info on lubricating and regularly keep it oiled. All the movements etc are moving smooth as silk but lately the anti reverse is not working. I have lubed etc down around the switchy thingy but it is playing up It just has me baffled. Sometimes it just doesnt work at all, then it will do 2 or 3 reverse revolutions then kick in and other times it comes good and no dramas. Very confused. Any help greatly appreciated. ;D

[Agrav8_and_Lulu]

Hi Funchy

I had some problems with mine I have got a diawa 3i 2500. Mine rotated back just under a quarter of a turn, where when I bought the reel it locked in straight away. So I dismantled the main shaft, remembering to lay all the parts out in order of which they came out, even with the washers and bearings facing upright. Cleaned all the factory oil off the parts, and put sewing machine oil on them (thanks Alleycat).

When I was putting the oil on the parts, as I was assembling it back together a small drop of oil on my first finger rubbed together with my thumb, the parts eg pinion, bearing sleeve, bearing cover ect. With the bearings themselves one small drop. Any springs, also a little drop of oil as sometimes these can seize and won't retract.

After putting it all back together it worked like brand new. Hopefully this might help you out, this might not be the easiest of ways or the right way, but it worked for me.;)

[Horse]

Thats the first thing to try. Lay your parts ouit in order and clean them. It only takes something to be a little sticky and the antirevers will be slow to kick in

[Stik-ugly]

Try a site called Fishing Reel Repair by Alan Tani .Lots of info on repairs and servicing of reels.

[Brent_P]

Funchy,

My guess would be that you have an excess of oil (or diluted grease) in the anti-reverse / one way roller bearing. Both the Shimano and Daiwa website FAQ's state an excess of oil in the one way roller bearing as being a common cause of the anti-reverse slipping or being slow to engage. You probably don't need to completely disassemble your reel - I don't believe that anything under the sideplate could be causing the anti-reverse to slip. Just take the rotor off and access the 'clutch unit' (as Quantum call their one way roller bearing assembly).

Looking at the schematics, I can see that the anti-reverse in this reel is quite different to both Shimanos and Daiwas, in that what is usually two or more (in Daiwas) parts is only one part. This might make cleaning out the excess oil much more difficult, if you cannot see the individual rollers inside the 'clutch unit' (because there's a keyed metal sleeve inside it, which can't be removed). Without actually seeing this 'clutch unit', I can't be sure - usually spinning reels have an extra keyed metal sleeve which fits inside the one way roller bearing, and the shaft of the the pinion gear sits inside that. With the Accurist, maybe the pinion gear shaft contacts the rollers of the one way roller bearing directly - I don't know.

After removing the one way roller bearing ('clutch unit'), if you can see the little rollers, just thread a cloth through the middle of the one way roller bearing and twist it back and forth to remove the excess oil - I have attached a photo of an old rusted one way roller bearing, which shows the individual rollers inside, so you know what I'm talking about. Remove any grease or excess oil from the pinion shaft too. If you can only see a metal sleeve inside the one way roller bearing/clutch unit, you could try flushing it out with the thinnest oil you can find, maybe letting it sit for a while, and then use compressed air or something to force most of the thinner oil out the other side. Don't use a solvent to clean it out, because the inside of one way roller bearings are usually plastic. Also worth mentioning is that you don't want the parts completely dry. A light film of very thin oil does not usually affect the operation of one way roller bearings and gives some corrosion protection.

In future, I wouldn't put oil in the anti-reverse switch and only one drop on the shaft (and only if the reel feels like it needs it).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Brent.

http://www.quantumfishing.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts.aspx?ProductID=4072

[Funchy]

Thanks for all the advice fellas

Brent, I think you may be on to something for sure mate. I only started having this problems from when I oiled it last. I also remember thinking you surely can't have too much oil on these parts. Oh well, you live and you learn! ;) :thumbsup:

[Brent_P]

I just added a bit more explanation to my post and a photo of an old one way roller bearing, similar to the ones in Daiwa spinning reels - and the Accurist, by the look of the schematics. A one way roller bearing like this will be incased inside the Accurist's 'clutch unit'. I've never worked on a Quantum reel, but the differences in how the instant anti-reverses actually work are not that great, for different spinning reels.

Cheers,
Brent.

[rabbi]

I use Marine grade outboard gearbox oil on normal roller bearings as its very resistant to water and sticks like s**t to a blanket.
I too learnt the hard way with putting oil on the one way bearing and they stop working at the most inconvenient time too and reel handles are like boat trailer winch handles spinning backwards at a great rate of speed.
Even a tad too much grease on the pinion gear will eventually work itself into the clutch bearing.
I usually use lanolin spray on the one way bearings (in moderation) and also on reel handles,bail arms and all over exterior for saltwater protection.
Rarely have to touch my freshwater gear as they dont go anywhere near the salt.
cheers.