Large estuary plastics reel

[Teejay24]

Hey, just after any advise or preferences from experience for a new reel to put on a pflueger patriarch 8lb. Looking at fishing larger plastics for big flatties, tailor and jewies and possibly anything swimming in moreton bay.
Spend up to $300. I was looking for high drag on a light small reel. Thinking new stradic 2500 because I've had fe 1000 for a few years to pull these fish in, but got spooled the other week. Time for an upsize.

[TheSaint]

Chase up a 2nd hand Daiwa Certate 2500R mate..

[MudRiverDan]

Yeah probably a nice 2500 reel.
2500 is the bread and butter reel for estuary and the odd school Jewie pushing 7 Kilo.

Weight and drag is an issue because the more xpensive you go the lighter they get.

You really want something suited to your rod and you don't really want to go too heavy a reel on an 8lb rod or it will feel bulky to fish with.

I can say the luvias DA (8KG drag) is light and has good drag for estuary and shallow bay work (though its over yr budget), but in the end an 8lb rod will have its limitations for larger Jew and larger fish in the bay.

Actually looking at the Stradic fj specs it has an 8kg drag and weighs 260 grams (pretty light).
The C14 is lighter with lighter(198 gram , 7kg drag) drag (about 100 bucks more, less in some places).

Might be worth comparing both on yr rod as the Fj is cheaper .

No experience with the Stradic (but have a 2500 Fireblood FA which I believe the Stradic inherited a lot of features from) but I would say your on the right track with those ones.


Cheers

[braders83]

I reckon the go is reels with a 2nd spool. I have two shimano saros 2500 size (they come with an extra spool) so I have 4 line classes on the 2. 2 with mono (8 and 20pd) and 2 with braid (8 and 20pd). Gives you some flexibility if you want to chase different species. Best thing I ever did. The saros are the model under the stradic, don't know the difference off hand but all I can say is i'm happy with them. I fish regularly (I call regularly once a fortnight), but that's far from some of the better fishermen on here, and the reels serve me well as I look after them.

Let us know what you decide.

[Teejay24]

Yeh, definetly want 2 spools. I like the design and tech of the new daiwa freams, also the pflueger patriaich reel. Light, plenty of bearings and sealed carbon drag. I like the stradics but i dont think they have sealed quality drags. Does anyone disagree or had any experience with these reels. Also the new rarenium from shimano has 10 kg drag on a 2500 reel, its ci4 so ultralight too. Any one used or seen these

[TimD]

Which rod have you got is it the PPS70MH-XF (1 piece, 7 foot, MED-HEAVY/ EXTRA FAST, 8-14LB line rating)


If it's that rod i would consider going to a 3000 size reel. The daiwa sol 3000 would be perfect, they have 8kg of drag which is plenty. Spool it with some 15lb braid and you should never get spooled again, well not on big flatties, tailor or jewies anyway.



There in your budget too at around $299


cheers tim :)

[Teejay24]

I hav the 6'10 it's rated 4-10 lb. prefer fishing lighter for better challenge but wanted to upsize a bit to chase the bigger fellas. Will be mostly plastics plastic fishing so I wanted to keep size and weight down as much as possible. Probably will be a bit undersized, but really just wanted stronger drag.

Thanks for the ideas tho

[TimD]

Ok so it's a 2-5kg rod. A 2500 Sol will be perfect for that rod. Spool it up with some 10 or 12lb braid and you will be ready to take on most fish you will encounter in the bay.


I used to fish the bay quite a bit and had a 2-5kg Egrell rod and a 2500 Sol spooled with 10lb fireline. Most of the time i just ran a 12lb flurocarbon leader and this combo used to pull quite a few snapper in around the 70-75cm mark.


The 2500 Sol has 7kg of drag which will be more than enough :thumbsup:


cheers tim :)

[fishinwahbee]

sols are terrible..... Just what i have heard, do not no personally. A stradic Ci4 2500 should be fine. As long as it is for esturys. It might struggle with some bigger trevs. Sustain FG (black) would be sick but may be a tad over $300. Go into your local BCF and ask to have a feel and test there drags. Maybe even sit them on the rod too. 6lb on one spool 10 or 15lb on the other.

[softplasticsdude79]

sols are terrible..... Just what i have heard, do not no personally. A stradic Ci4 2500 should be fine. As long as it is for esturys. It might struggle with some bigger trevs. Sustain FG (black) would be sick but may be a tad over $300. Go into your local BCF and ask to have a feel and test there drags. Maybe even sit them on the rod too. 6lb on one spool 10 or 15lb on the other.

dont know who told you sols were terrible !

have a look at the daiwa freams Comes in under $300.

[NAGG]

sols are terrible..... Just what i have heard, do not no personally. A stradic Ci4 2500 should be fine. As long as it is for esturys. It might struggle with some bigger trevs. Sustain FG (black) would be sick but may be a tad over $300. Go into your local BCF and ask to have a feel and test there drags. Maybe even sit them on the rod too. 6lb on one spool 10 or 15lb on the other.

terrible colour :oops:...... terribly good reel though that plenty of tournament anglers have chosen - It's the same platform as the TD Advantage & the Caldia ....... both robust and smooth reels.
As for drag pressure ....... 4 or 5kg is plenty (more than enough) on a 5 or 6kg outfit.
If you need more then a 3000 size reel is more appropriate if matched to a 6-8kg rod ........ but this would not really be classed as a estuary outfit.

I spent last winter chasing Brisbane river Jewies on 1500-2000 size daiwa reels , 2-3kg rods and 6lb braid .........76401 lot;s of fun

[Matt_Campbell]

sols are terrible.....

Terrible? You'd do well to find a better value-for-money reel, I reckon.

[TimD]

sols are terrible..... Just what i have heard


Whoever told you that is obviously a Shimano fan ::)


I have had a 2500 Sol, 2500 Luvias and a 2500 Certate. In my opinion the Sol is "almost" as good as the Luvias and Certate and i would buy another Sol if i was going to get another estuary/bay combo.


Although i do like expenisve gear so i would probably buy a Steez or Certate just for the wank factor ;D


cheers tim :)

[Horse]

Nothing wrong with a Sol. You can get a few good deals OS on the old Sustain 2500 at the moment

[NAGG]

Whoever told you that is obviously a Shimano fan ::)


I have had a 2500 Sol, 2500 Luvias and a 2500 Certate. In my opinion the Sol is "almost" as good as the Luvias and Certate and i would buy another Sol if i was going to get another estuary/bay combo.


Although i do like expenisve gear so i would probably buy a Steez or Certate just for the wank factor ;D


cheers tim :)

Never discount the "wank factor" :P - sometimes you know a rod or reel needs to be purchased for just that ........... Steez , Morthan Branzino , Megabass /Ito reels ...... actually anything Megabass ......... all great pieces of bling

Chris

[bluefin59]

Sols are a good choice as much as I love my certate and 2000 Lucia's da , but talk about wank factor look up 2012 exist it will be released next month daiwa have a single pic on there aus site ....matt

[TimD]

Never discount the "wank factor" :P - sometimes you know a rod or reel needs to be purchased for just that ........... Steez , Morthan Branzino , Megabass /Ito reels ...... actually anything Megabass ......... all great pieces of bling

Chris


"Wank Factor" is my 4500 Saltiga S Extreme fitted to my Egrell Bear Essentials rod, i could of probably bought a 4500 Catalina and that would have done the job just fine. But the Saltiga looks sexier hahaha.


cheers tim :)

[NAGG]

"Wank Factor" is my 4500 Saltiga S Extreme fitted to my Egrell Bear Essentials rod, i could of probably bought a 4500 Catalina and that would have done the job just fine. But the Saltiga looks sexier hahaha.


cheers tim :)

Nice ......... and a bit sweeter to use than the Catalina I bet -
I wouldn't have called it for "WANK" though :happy:....... more like a necessity when targeting big fish - Well that's what I'm telling myself about the Stella 8000 I just bought :thumbsup:

Chris

[softplasticsdude79]

wish i could find big enough fish to warrant such a reel,I love bling/wank as well,ill just have to find something chrome that i can put on my trusty little legalis.

[Teejay24]

Thanks for the tips fellas. I dont mind a bit of bling as well but i think most reels these days are as blingy as each other.
Thanks for the input about how much drag i would need, i was thinking to try get the strongest drag in the reel size range. But now i think as long as its above 5-6kgs of drag i should be fine.
Do alot of fishing round the jumpinpin bar and a small amount in lower moreton bay when weather lets me. Just to give you an idea of the species i might catch.
Freams does look quality for the price.Sol does also look good on paper. Does anyone one know much about the sealed drag systems and whether i should focus on finding a reel that uses one, and how much affect does the amount of bearings have?

Preferences at the moment are Stradic FJ/Ci4 2500, Freams 2500, Sustain 2500 if its worth that bit extra, Sol 2500

Anyone know what Shimano Rarenium, Patriarch 9535 are like?
I think it will come down to what feels better on the rod.

Which one is better????

[NAGG]

Thanks for the tips fellas. I dont mind a bit of bling as well but i think most reels these days are as blingy as each other.
Thanks for the input about how much drag i would need, i was thinking to try get the strongest drag in the reel size range. But now i think as long as its above 5-6kgs of drag i should be fine.
Do alot of fishing round the jumpinpin bar and a small amount in lower moreton bay when weather lets me. Just to give you an idea of the species i might catch.
Freams does look quality for the price.Sol does also look good on paper. Does anyone one know much about the sealed drag systems and whether i should focus on finding a reel that uses one, and how much affect does the amount of bearings have?

Preferences at the moment are Stradic FJ/Ci4 2500, Freams 2500, Sustain 2500 if its worth that bit extra, Sol 2500

Anyone know what Shimano Rarenium, Patriarch 9535 are like?
I think it will come down to what feels better on the rod.

Which one is better????

Much of a muchness between those listed (Patriarch is a bit better) ........ my preference is Daiwa though. One reel I would look at and it's not on the list is the ABU Revo premier (30 size) - It would be the most sophisticated reel under $ 400 but only has a $300 price tag - good drag / very smooth & light .......... certainly worth a play

Chris

[Teejay24]

Did a bit more research on a few reels and heard that magnesium does not cope as well as other materials when saltwater fishing.
Has anyone else heard this??

Alot of high end reels are made from this to reduce weight and increase smoothness.

Is magnesium reels a bad idea for saltwater reels??

[Horse]

Did a bit more research on a few reels and heard that magnesium does not cope as well as other materials when saltwater fishing.
Has anyone else heard this??

Alot of high end reels are made from this to reduce weight and increase smoothness.

Is magnesium reels a bad idea for saltwater reels??
Magnesium can survive well in a Saltwater environment if the coating/finish is up to it but many don't hack it after a few scratches

[NAGG]

Magnesium can survive well in a Saltwater environment if the coating/finish is up to it but many don't hack it after a few scratches


What Horse said ....... Inox them before use and there will be no issue ( treated magnesium)

Chris