First extremely basic waeve attempt.

[Bream_Reaper01]

Ok so i thought i'd have a go at this caper just doing some basic letters to start with.Size C thread was used so i guess that's why some gaps in the black in the word "hello".Didn't actually look that bad to the eye until the photo.Also ivé no way yet of holding or returning the rod to the exact top of the work as you'll notice towards the end of the word as it goes uphill slightly.Found a left list for little more fancier letters so gave that a go this morning.Will have to get weaving jig soon as pain in the bum trying to keep all threads straight and in order with tape.

Regards,
Bream Reaper.

[Owen]

BR,
Good on you for having a go.
the gaps are most likely from too much tension. Either when going left/right or in the final tightening.
The less rotations under the section, the easier it is to over tighten.
If a thread is visible for only one turn it is even possible that it will disappear under the two adjacent wrap threads if you're too heavy handed.
The drifting is from not keeping the threads aligned along the axis of the rod.

Jigs will definitely help in that regard and you'll find the whole process more appealing.
I only tried one weave with tape immediately after watching Doc Ski's video.
NEVER AGAIN!
The guy's a freak LOL

[Bream_Reaper01]

The less rotations under the section, the easier it is to over tighten.



Thanks Owen,not sure what your trying to tell me here.That's how new i am to this.

Also just realised i can't spell weave either.

[Owen]

The less rotations under the section, the easier it is to over tighten.

Thanks Owen,not sure what your trying to tell me here.That's how new i am to this.

Ok, let me see if I can explain it better.
Once you've laid out all your threads along the length of the blank, there is a "soft region" where those threads lay.
When you start wrapping your main thread around, it can't compress the blank, but it can compress those threads slightly. You end up with a bit of an egg shape.
The more layers in the weave, the more "spongy" that area is.
OK..
So we start weaving and bring a thread back over to the left.
We do a few rotations and bring it back to the right.

might look like this in section.
......______
OO/OOOOO\OOO
~~...............~~~~

The O's represent the wrap thread
The tilde's ~ represent when the design thread is under the wrap thread
the lines ___ represent when the design thread is above the wrap thread (and will be visible when it's finished)

Now if you look at the point where the thread comes up from underneath the wrap thread (between the second and third O)
If you put too much tension on the thread when you take it to the left, you will get a gap like in your weave.
This is exacerbated (word for the day) when there is only one one or two consecutive threads before the movement, because it is easier to push two threads aside than 20.

Likewise, when you have finished and begin tightening.
If there a bunch of threads between left and right movement like shown above then you can apply plenty of tension without a problem (till you snap the thread)
But if there is only one or two rotations between left & right like this

.......... _
OOOO/O\OOOO
~~~~..... ~~~~

Now if you pull too hard on your thread you can force the wrap thread down too far (spongy underneath)
The two adjacent wrap threads move over and close the gap.
then your single spot thread disappears.

[Bream_Reaper01]

Ahh that's better now i got it,thanks Owen.Can't wait to do some more.

[sid_fishes]

you just lost me , my friends
i need a weaving day with the masters apprentice
[ and no mate i,m not taking the piss out off you]

[trout head]

Ian I agree , I think just to be able to see it done would help heaps , my wife got me a book on weave , but I can't make heads or tails of it . Owen what video is there that is good to start with , and Mr bream reaper it will be good to follow you on this thread as we can learn along the way too .

[Owen]

Trout head.
You can get Doc Ski's video.
I have a copy here somewhere if you're local.
It's pretty old, but well worth having.
about the only thing on it that you'd skip is using tape like Doc used to. If I had to do that I'd quit.
I have a few videos on you tube. really shitty quality but the content might help you.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PicToWeave

Skip the ones that just deal with P2W and look at the weaving workshop ones.



Ian,
Any time you want to drag your sorry arse round you're welcome.
Rod room is almost set up. Have to save some pennies for A/C though . Having a metal ceiling fan around graphite blanks gives me the heebie jeebies :wreck:

[sandyd]

Trout head.


Ian,
Having a metal ceiling fan around graphite blanks gives me the heebie jeebies :wreck:


Does that have anything to do with the first rod you built Owen? ::)

[sid_fishes]

are you going to give something away sandy or is it just a private thingy??

[Owen]

No big secret Ian.
The first rod I built I was turning it over and it hit the ceiling fan. not a big hit, fan was on low, but first time I flexed it the thing broke 3" from the tip. The old bottom lip quivered a bit.
Graphite & fans don't mix :(
Re-wrapped it to the shorter length and it's been a champion.