Furuno gear

[wags on the water]

Your thoughts please on Furuno FCV 295 vs Furuno FCV 585. I'm in the process of replacing my current sounder for one of these Furuno babies. As a few of you know I'm running a combo but looking to retain the unit for the Chartplotter and upgrading the sounder side of things.

Would I be best chasing a 1kw transducer for the waters off Brisbane and the Sunny coast or the 2kw?

Cheers,
Wags

[TimiBoy]

Wags,

2 Kw is overkill. As you know I had one in Bubi, and all it did was drain the batteries! I've had plenty of advice in exploring the next one that 1 Kw is more than enough.

Can't answer your other question, though.

Cheers,

Tim

[Horse]

The 295 looks a great bit of kit but Its hard to justify it at double the price of a 585. My 585 runs a thru hull 600w transducer and this was selected after talking with the guys a couple of the US stores who advised against the 1kw as most of my fishing is in less than 200' and a lot of it in around 30' so even the 1kw may be overkill for much of the local scene (consider signal strength vs beam width coverage etc). Apart from a bit of misting on the screen it has held up well.

[rat_catcher]

Yeah at double the price I can't see how the 295 would be twice as good as the 585 which has had great reviews.

[honda900]

Wags,

the 1kw is for deep water > 200mtrs, I like horse, use a 600w shoot through hull, and the trymax guys had to talk me out of the 1kw (which I wanted).

Regards
HOnda

[onerabbit]

Wags,

I have a 582 with a 600w and have no probs in 250m,

have been advised also that 1kw is overkill in anything but very deep water.

Muzz

[hakuna]

I run a 585 with a 1 kw, have found nothing that is as good, have had lowrance and hummingbird. 300 to 600 ft water like the river. Gets down to what you like.
No point in having the boat to get there if you don't have the equipment to do the job when your there
You do have a problem in the river, too powerful for the depth

Cheers

[wags on the water]

Thanks for the replies guys. Much appreciated. I had spoken to a couple of people about the 295, but it appears as though the 585 is the way to go.

Now about this shoot through hull transducer.. How is this better than the standard positioning on the transom. Is this where you drill a hole through the bottom of a perfectly good boat?

Cheers,
Wags

[finga]

Now about this shoot through hull transducer.. How is this better than the standard positioning on the transom. Is this where you drill a hole through the bottom of a perfectly good boat?

Cheers,
Wags
That'll be the one Mike.
Clearer water under the hull as the transom mount is in all the rough stuff behind the boat.

Good fun installing them too.
Mark a spot and get the big hole saw out and into it...
But that's only when it's someone else's boat.

[Lucky_Phill]

IMO.

Mike, a 1KW transducer can be handy when traveling at speed ( 25knots ) and looking for fish or ground. I know guys will say the 600W is sufficient, and it is for 99% of applications.

The 585 IS the way to go, as you know I am a Furuno fan from the days of CRT, and your decision to have separate units is spot on.

In all my Furuno applications, I never ever cut a hole in the floor of a glass boat. No need...IMO. A 600w will shoot through this no worries.

Another reason for shooting through the hull is clarity of screen picture. No air bubbles = clear readings .

There are a number of ways to adapt the shoot through hull transducer.

In my experience I have:-

sika-flexed it to the floor ( being careful not to make any air bubbles ), but this method is dogey and was only done in an emergency and temporary measure.

I also fixed a PVC tube to the floor and filled it with peanut oil, screwing the transducer to the lid for the PVC, and then inserting transducer so it sits mid oil, thus no air bubbles and clear reading.


I am not a big fan of drilling holes in hulls, although it can be done with safety.

If you get advice from Furuno in regard to the through hull application, they may advise a 1KW to shoot through a thick hull.

But, if you are going to spent the $'s you may as well get it right. Right sounder, unit placement, cabling positioning ( away from electrical wiring ) and transducer size and location.

The above can make the difference between a good days fishing and total frustration.


Cheers Phill
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[honda900]

Couple of slightly different concepts being talked about.

Shoot through hull, transducer is inside the Hull no holes, sikaflexed on.

Through hull, Drill a dirty great hole in the bottom of your boat..

mine is shoot through.

Regards
Honda.

[DAZMC1]

http://www.airmartechnology.com/airmar2005/ex20/RMProducts/OpenData.asp
I use one of these on my boat and it works great with 585

[DAZMC1]

http://www.airmartechnology.com/airmar2005/ex20/RMProducts/ElectCat.asp?ProdID=52&Man=All&PageNo=99
Try this

[siegfried]

I have a 585 1kw inhull, good for 300m average after that 295 waste of money unless you go 2-3kw through the hull and those ducers were not designed for trailerboats

[rat_catcher]

Is this where you drill a hole through the bottom of a perfectly good boat?
Don't drill a hole through the bottom of your hull...just go for a transducer internally mounted in the bilge that shoots through the hull. Airmar makes them. Just pick the correct one and mount it inside the hull. They even have ones that are already all boxed up so you don't need to make all of your own in-hull mounts.

[Captain Seaweed]

I looked at these Wags when I was setting up White Rhino, I think the 295 uses 2 transducers. It seither that one or the next up. They have great features like swell compensation where they calculate and eliminate the up and down readings.
Furuno is and always has been good quality stuff, but I believe the new Lowrance gear is using digital tecnology and this is why I made my choice. I havnt looked back. I priced the Furuno for what I wanted and it was about 20k. I got into the same set up for just over half in Lowrance. I must admit it can be a little slow to process when your running everything through the Lowrance ie sounder, gps, radar and down scan at once but havnt had problems with finding fish.
I must admit it does come down to settings, and they ALL run best on "simulator mode"!! ;)

Marty

[Lucky_Phill]

Let us know how you go Mike ?

Cheers

[outsiderskip]

2 Kw is overkill. As you know I had one in Bubi, and all it did was drain the batteries! I've had plenty of advice in exploring the next one that 1 Kw is more than enough
and tim u still couldnt catch fish

wags
u will be very happy with 585 and 1 kw tranny

pete

[champion]

Hey Wags,
If you're interested, I have a 600W thru hull transducer for sales brandnew in box never used.
Cheers Dave

[wags on the water]

I will be purchasing in the New year as a bday present to myself and my boat. I won't be drilling any hole of any size in the bottom of the boat so a shoot thru (in-hull) transducer is on the cards. Pictures might be available in the new year........



No scrap that. I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks for replying with your recommendations.

Cheers.

[MEGA'bite]

come on wags u know i have the 585 with the 1kw in hull trannie, no holes in the hull. if u wud just come hme i can show u how good it is.

ps been up given ur missus a cuddle ;)

[tropicrows]

Come on WAGS, your a fitter you can do anything...... just drill the hole and stick it in.;D ;D ;D

[Cheech]

Another vote for the shoot through. I have one of the airmar ones. Good thing is they are moveable if you sicaflex the unit in. Came in handy because I had to move mine closer to the keel. Must have been some turbulence or something directly under the original location. I use mineral oil (baby oil) in my unit.

[Horse]

I had the 600 and was shooting through the hull. I was very happy with it:) . After a recent major refurb I had to replace it and went low profile through hull. For my boat it has made a significant improvement in how the system works especially in 100m +:D . Its only a little hole;D

[wags on the water]

I had the 600 and was shooting through the hull. I was very happy with it:) . After a recent major refurb I had to replace it and went low profile through hull. For my boat it has made a significant improvement in how the system works especially in 100m +:D . Its only a little hole;D

Sorry guys, but I'm not going to drill a hole through the bottom of a $70k+ boat....even if you paid me lotsa money. ;)

[TimiBoy]

Sorry guys, but I'm not going to drill a hole through the bottom of a $70k+ boat....even if you paid me lotsa money. ;)

I'm with you Wags. No holes in the hull of the Cruisey, and it's just not necessary.

Cheers,

Tim

[Horse]

Trust me. its a pretty scary feeling cutting the hole. However you cant beat the system for signal quality

[Ripples]

Hi Wags
I have a 582 with the shoot thru Furuno M260 In Hull 1kW, 50/200 kHz transducer M260-10F (http://cgi.ebay.com/Furuno-M260-Hull-1kW-50-200-kHz-transducer-M260-10F-/180564848726?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a80f056) and have no troubles at all reading fish with no clutter at 25 knots.
The most important is to keep the transducer away from electrical and engine interferance.

Ripples

[wags on the water]

Trust me. its a pretty scary feeling cutting the hole. However you cant beat the system for signal quality


Sorry Neil, but that's something I'll have to live with......well been living with it for a while now.

Once my mind is made up ----> there's not much you can say or do to change it. ;)

Hopefully the gear will turn up in the new year.

Cheers,
Wags

[bassfan]

Shoot through the hull, no question. Not only is drilling a hole in the hull a last resort 'cos it might leak, but the transducer is then exposed to damage if you hit something and can also upset the hydrodynamics of your hull & affect the boats handling at speed. Also recommend Selley's All Clear for gluing the tranny inside your hull rather than Sikaflex, & be careful to avoid any air bubbles.

bassfan