what knot to tie briad to reel

[rustymarlin]

Hi all just wondering what knot to use to tie my braid to my new stella i am using 50lb braid then top shotting with mono also what is the best knot to join the two different lines\


Thanks Rusty

[tenzing]

Rusty, I just use a uni knot on the mono to the spool so you can cinch it up really snug., then a uni to uni braid to mono. It is not going to matter about knot strength etc anyway as if you get to see this one again you are respooling anyway ( either by choice of you or the fish)
Brendan

[diabolical]

Ten wraps on the spool before you tie the knot. That is if you go direct braid to spool. Saves dicking about and it works.

[ffejsmada]

Why are you putting braid on the bottom of the spool and top shotting with mono????

I'm curious as to your reasoning behind this.

Jeff.

[Pistol_P]

Good thing to do IF you prefer mono but want large line capacity.

Pete

[bluefin59]

I just put a few wraps of plumbers thred tape on the spool and then load up with braid ...matt

[Bear001]

I just put a few wraps of plumbers thred tape on the spool and then load up with braid ...matt


Great idea, thanks Matt.


I use twisted leader knot for Braid to mono...never let me down yet.

Cindy

[Platitudinus]

I use about a 10% of the depth, stretch of mono on top of my braid. E.g. in 60 metres use 6m of mono when fishing over reef. Still get the benefit of braid but also get a little stretch from the mono and it bears the scars from the reef better, especially when floatlining. Usually tie with a uni knot or a cats paw when using lighter lines. Cats paws on heavy mono can be a problem in rollers at end of rod and can give casting problems if floatlining. Throw the mono away after each days fishing or sooner if chaffed.
Cheers
Plato

[NIZ180]

FG knot as it is very strong & runs thru the guides nicely. Pretty easy to tie once you get the hang of it

[Brent_P]

If you've bought one of the new Stella SW's, make sure you use the little rectangles of silver tape provided with the reel (or some other tape) when you tie the line to the spool. The spool has a ceramic coating all over it, which is extremely slippery - it might be so slippery that even mono would slide around the spool.

I bought a Stella 5000SW recently, and I used the tape that comes with the reel as well as three or four feet of mono "backing", just to be sure. Even the mono was sliding easily with the uni knot as tight as I could pull it, though that might not happen when the spool is full of line. I had braid slide around a reel spool once before, about 12 years ago, so I've been careful about it ever since.

As far as braid/mono connections go, I usually use a plaited double with Geoff Wilson's braid leader knot or a plait/improved albright with the end of the braid woven through the mono loop a few times when completing the knot (instead of just once), to lock the braid in place. The slimmer Asian jigging and popping knots are probably a better idea, though, if you're expecting the knot to be travelling back and forth through the guides a lot, under a lot of strain.

I used my Stella 5000SW offshore for the first time last Sunday. It's an awesome reel to use - rock solid and super smooth. It's physically smaller than a Daiwa Caldia Kix 4000, but with 13kg of drag (supposedly - I haven't checked it). I caught some small kingfish to 4kg and a good-sized bonito on a 150g jig, and had a lot of fun doing it. I couldn't believe how solid such a small reel felt under pressure.

Sorry if I got a little off-topic there.

Brent.

[Jurkyjj]

Why are you putting braid on the bottom of the spool and top shotting with mono????

I'm curious as to your reasoning behind this.

Jeff.

Jeff,

I agree with you.....why would you want to top shot with mono; unless you are talking about a mono leader???:-/
It traditionally is the other way around. You put the mono directly onto the spool and then top shot with braid. What the mono does is help with allowing the braid something to grip on to. The braid will actually slip if there is nothing to "grip" to. The braid will bed in and grip to the mono making it less likely to slip.
Just some food for thought.;)
And of course, just my opinion!!

Jason.

[NIZ180]

Jeff,

I agree with you.....why would you want to top shot with mono; unless you are talking about a mono leader???:-/
It traditionally is the other way around. You put the mono directly onto the spool and then top shot with braid. What the mono does is help with allowing the braid something to grip on to. The braid will actually slip if there is nothing to "grip" to. The braid will bed in and grip to the mono making it less likely to slip.
Just some food for thought.;)
And of course, just my opinion!!

Jason.

I know allot of the LBG guys do it to increase capacity. That way you can use a much smaller reel for the same line capacity. I plan on doing it with my new Saltist as the reel is designed to run braid but I still want the benefit of mono offshore. You can always put a bit of tape on the spool b4 the braid goes on to stop the slip.

[Chamelion]

A bit of tape to stop the slip and whatever knot you choose... If you get down to that knot it won't matter what's there, you've been spooled!

[Jurkyjj]

I know allot of the LBG guys do it to increase capacity. That way you can use a much smaller reel for the same line capacity. I plan on doing it with my new Saltist as the reel is designed to run braid but I still want the benefit of mono offshore. You can always put a bit of tape on the spool b4 the braid goes on to stop the slip.

I fully understand that line capacity on the spool is important, but, when you lay a "small" bed of mono on the bottom of the spool, you are not putting 300metres on before applying the braid.It is merely 40metres to allow the mono the chance to grip. ;)

YES, I understand quite well that you can use a bit of tape as well, but the question I asked was, why top shot with mono???

You say that you want the benefit of mono for offshore......but what is the good of filling the spool up with braid, for line capacity reasons, if you want the benefit of mono???::) This doesn't make any sense to me.

Why not just fill the spool with mono???

If you hook a fish that takes a big enough run, it will run you out of mono and into the braid backing on the spool anyway!!!
Rusty mentioned that he wanted to "top shot" with mono. A top shot is not more than half the spool IMHO. A "top shot" is merely a small amount of mono line attached to the front of the spool to give you a small amount of stretch that the braid does not give you.
I fail to see the reasoning behind filling the spool with braid if you want the benefit of mono:-/ :-/

Jason.

[Lovey80]

Absolutely no need to back a stella up with mono. Just wrap the braid around 5-6 times then tie off with a blood knot. Both my 5000SW and 18000SW are done this way and it works great.

Cheers

chris

[NIZ180]

I fully understand that line capacity on the spool is important, but, when you lay a "small" bed of mono on the bottom of the spool, you are not putting 300metres on before applying the braid.It is merely 40metres to allow the mono the chance to grip. ;)

YES, I understand quite well that you can use a bit of tape as well, but the question I asked was, why top shot with mono???

You say that you want the benefit of mono for offshore......but what is the good of filling the spool up with braid, for line capacity reasons, if you want the benefit of mono???::) This doesn't make any sense to me.

Why not just fill the spool with mono???

If you hook a fish that takes a big enough run, it will run you out of mono and into the braid backing on the spool anyway!!!
Rusty mentioned that he wanted to "top shot" with mono. A top shot is not more than half the spool IMHO. A "top shot" is merely a small amount of mono line attached to the front of the spool to give you a small amount of stretch that the braid does not give you.
I fail to see the reasoning behind filling the spool with braid if you want the benefit of mono:-/ :-/

Jason.

I don't think u'r getting my point. Have you seen the new Daiwa Saltist Lever drag reels & the new Shimano Talica due out??? They are tiny!!! you will not fit much mono on there thus the use of braid with a topshot of mono.

[Jurkyjj]

No...I do get your point!!!
BUT, what you are saying is that you want the benefit of mono.
What benefit are you getting when you are top shotting with mono???
If you want the feel of mono, but, cannot get the amount of line on the reel, then maybe you need a larger reel!!!

Jason.

[NIZ180]

No...I do get your point!!!
BUT, what you are saying is that you want the benefit of mono.
What benefit are you getting when you are top shotting with mono???
If you want the feel of mono, but, cannot get the amount of line on the reel, then maybe you need a larger reel!!!

Jason.

obviously not!!!! i don't want to run a larger reel. Is it really that hard to understand? It's not that hard a concept but I really couldn't be arsed trying to explain it again. Your right I'm wrong lets leave it at that::) LOL

[deepfried]

Dont worry NIZ some of us understand.

Rusty might explain why he is doing it himself.

I do it as well for land based live baiting. Maybe not topshotting but 300m of braid under 300m 25lb mono, why ? to increase spool capacity while getting the benefits of mono, simple. Lighter reel = more comfort holding your rod for hours. How about casting metals and poppers. Want the added distance of braid but also want the benefits of mono at the end. Lots of other reasons to do it.

[rustymarlin]

The reel is a steela 20000 it will be used for marlin fishing and in our area the fish average 80 to 120 kg so line capacity is important it has also been found that a topshot of 50 to 100meters helps with shock absorbtion with billfish this helps to keep the hooks in this has been through trial and error. But really why do people get out of shape if thats what I want to do I fish because its fun and relaxing and trying new things is what makes the sport fun if we didnt try things to see how it works or if its better or worse then we dont learn. I just wanted to know about a knot thats all to try and see what others use again to see if there were any improvements on what I have done in the past.Thanks for everyones input

[whatscracken]

I use a locked allbright to join lines, seems to do the job

[Jurkyjj]

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Sorry guys for all the rott!!:-[

All good NIZ180...no hard feelings!! Sorry mate.:)

Jason.

[grave41]

Hi, i use the shout pr knot with a fly tying bobbin and plastic thread spool.Loop the thread around the arm of the bobbin twice only as the plastic thread spool doesn't spin as freely as the alloy bobbin but it's only $12 instead of $190for the real deal.Iuse this on all my reels .Stella's, torsa"s,accurates,van staals,daiwa's.
It's the only knot besides the fg knot to usefor leader knots. It comes out like a bimmini .
IMO graham

[NIZ180]

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Sorry guys for all the rott!!:-[

All good NIZ180...no hard feelings!! Sorry mate.:)

Jason.


All good mate!!

[billfisher]

No...I do get your point!!!
BUT, what you are saying is that you want the benefit of mono.
What benefit are you getting when you are top shotting with mono???
If you want the feel of mono, but, cannot get the amount of line on the reel, then maybe you need a larger reel!!!

Jason.

You use the top shot for fishing/ casting. There are plenty of reasons for wanting to fish with mono, eg better abrasion resistance, better behaved for distance casting with overheads, for instance. There are plenty of reasons for not wanting a larger reel too. Eg for spinning off the rocks small/ medium overheads cast better with a wider range of lures than large overheads. For the kingies of Botany Bay I use braid backing and a 100m topshot of 50lb mono on my Tynos 20. I find the small reel more comfortable use on a 4.1m boat and don't want to use braid at the business end for a variety of reasons (tangles, poor abrasion resisance, hard on the fingers, etc).