I'm a complete muppet...

[scottishguy]

...second outing with my shiny new Daiwa Saltwater spin rod and I've managed to snap the end off trying to free my snagged line.:'(

when I heard that rod snap, something inside died a little...

Is there any way this is covered under warranty or can be repaired?

[hooknose]

Its a learning curve mate( most have broken at least one rod in one way or another), no warranty, rod wouldnt be worth fixing as it will never be the same, you could put a tip runner on where it broke and use it with another reel for another purpose perhaps.
Bad luck mate !!

[plastic_paul]

you can play dumb and say it snapped on a fish and take it back, alot of rods (expensive and cheap) all come in a big box, no rod tubes etc, so whose to say it wasnt damaged in transit and caused a weak point on the blank that only became apparent when loaded? and whose to say it wasnt miss handled in store by a customer or junior staff that dont get graphite? i've seen a young bloke at a shop carry a bunch of tcurves (6-10) out to the shop floor all bunched together blanks slapping everywhere and even hit a hanging sign....


theres definately a good chance it'll get replaced...

[griz066]

you can play dumb and say it snapped on a fish and take it back, alot of rods (expensive and cheap) all come in a big box, no rod tubes etc, so whose to say it wasnt damaged in transit and caused a weak point on the blank that only became apparent when loaded? and whose to say it wasnt miss handled in store by a customer or junior staff that dont get graphite? i've seen a young bloke at a shop carry a bunch of tcurves (6-10) out to the shop floor all bunched together blanks slapping everywhere and even hit a hanging sign....


theres definately a good chance it'll get replaced...

Thats a bit dodgy I couldn,t do it if I stuff up and snap a rod its my fault not the store owners. I hope you were only having a go at him and you would seriously never do it.>:(>:(>:(>:(

[reddybayfisher]

This happened to me a little time ago - the rod was under warranty (it had a 3month warranty against snapping: I asked before purchasing as it was worth $500) and the shop replaced no questions asked....

[plastic_paul]

but can you seriously be 100% sure that it hasnt been mistreated in shipping? or by dodgy customers... if this was the first time it was loaded i'd definetly be trying to take it back...

[griz066]

but can you seriously be 100% sure that it hasnt been mistreated in shipping? or by dodgy customers... if this was the first time it was loaded i'd definetly be trying to take it back...

Yee of low morals, that's just Dodgy mate real DODGY >:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:( He already said it was his second outing and HE broke it while trying to free a snagged line. You can't go running back to the store and LIE and say it broke while fishing. Well I couldn't but it seems some can.

[plastic_paul]

if i was yanking at it or i had snapped it in a car door i wouldnt take it but, but he doesnt state that. i was meaning if he was just loading it up to get the rig off the snag.

If you told them in the shop you did it when snagged you wouldnt have a hope in hell, however if you said it was on a fish, they'd more than likely get the rep to have a look at it, in which case you would actually be able to find out if it was mistreated in it previous unpurchased life

im not trying to sound dodgy just think there can be other unseen elements here that are worth a look.

maybe even tell them what happened and see if they'll pass it on to the rep???

do you get what i mean?

[hooknose]

P Paul Like Griz says- very dodgy- says a lot about a person the way they handle something like this( like what do you do if you run into someones car in a carpark: leave a note with contact details or do a runner), it was obviously,as admitted by scottsguy(and good on you for admitting it mate) "broken while unsnagging" and it would be reasonable to assume it was high sticked, you should do the right thing, learn from the experience, and dont do it again. You might still be able to use the rod for some purpose just not the original purpose.

[Crunchy]

I did exactly the same mate, had a new tip runner put on and it works (Almost) as good as new....how many cm's did you lose? But do go and get it fixed, it helps that sinking feeling go away.

[Jungle Jim]

Important lesson to be learned regardless of whether the rod gets replaced or not.

NEVER BEND A ROD TRYING TO FREE A SNAG.

I can’t think of too many lures that would be worth breaking a rod over.

While we are at it. . .

NEVER PUT A ROD DOWN (UNSECURED) WHEN THE LURE OR BAIT IS IN THE WATER.

You’ll only make that mistake once too.

:( I’ve had one pulled over board....never again.



My advice.... consider this mistake a learning experience and think of all the money you'll save by never doing it again.

JIM

[plastic_paul]

P Paul Like Griz says- very dodgy- says a lot about a person the way they handle something like this( like what do you do if you run into someones car in a carpark: leave a note with contact details or do a runner), it was obviously,as admitted by scottsguy "high sticked while snagged" and it broke, you should do the right thing, learn from the experience, and dont do it again. You might still be able to use the rod for some purpose just not the original purpose.

im sorry i couldnt read that in the original post, i must be blind or its just not there.


i would definately leave a note if i hit someone and i agree it says alot about someone, i hate those pricks.

and if i high sticked a rod or snapped one by missuse i wouldnt be taking it back, however if i was using lighter than the line rating one the rod (igfa rated) and snapped by pressure i would be. Retail standards state that any information on that rod have to be true, and if it was a 8-10KG rod and i was using 6kg and it snapped they're statement on the rod is false, therefore i am intitled to a refund for that product AND i can launch a case for false or misleading marketing/advertising if im refused a refund.

next time you're in a tackleshop, like a chain one on the weekend, look for a young guy carrying rods out and then have a go at me about whether a rod was abused or not, i've seen it first hand. let alone in transit!

i think this thread has turned to sh*t if you guys cant understand that.

im quite happy to go against the grain here, and if you guys think that rods that you purchase are "straight out of the factory" then good luck to you, i look forward to reading more posts like this!>:(

[Jungle Jim]

Hey Paul

For it it’s worth i agree it would be worth trying the retailer. That said he might not even need to go into the "story".

I had a discussion with someone who works at a chain store. He told me 2 years ago any broken rods were treated with a roll of the eyes and truth detector when people said it broke fighting a fish.

Now days the store in question apparently is much more accommodating when it comes to replacing broken rods. Apparently they would rather have a happy customer regardless who was at fault.

So like it or not the store has (apparently) decided in certain cases to swap broken rods over therefore the replacement cost is factored in somewhere.

Yes the store/distributor/manufacturer should not have to pay for someone breaking their rods at the customers fault.
And yes we all know who’ll end up paying for it in the end.:(

Yes I have seen high end graphite rods being banged around in the shop as you describe.

Yes I have seen $800 rods on show being loaded up by any tom dick or harry who walks through the door. :o

But to answer his question.....
YES there is a chance it could be replaced...... and it could also be repaired.

If it was repaired it would make a great rod to hand to his mate/wife/ son or daughter next time he takes someone out without their own gear.


JIM

[scottishguy]

I'll take this on the chin I reckon... I put too much of a curve in the rod trying to free the snag so I've only got mself to blame.... It's probably not fixable as it's broken about 6-7inches from the tip.

I might send an email to Daiwa Australia telling them what happened. Doubt if they will do anything for me but it's worth a punt.

[kevvie]

well said Jim...

Broken graphite rods that get repaired are great for the kids and missus.

Big chains do factor replacement costs for items like broken rods, amongst other things, and is factored into the retail price of everything in the store.

So to be frank we all pay for your replacement rod, and so have you already.

[DigitalSI]

I did it to my girlfriends new rod on the first session when she got snagged. I wasn't treating gently the way cheap crap rods need to be treated so I copped it on the chin and went and bought her an expensive new rod. She's happy and I don't have to worry about snapping this one when she gets snagged again, which should be the next time she casts it.

[hooknose]

Apologies P PAUL, I was just joining the dots(correctly it would seem), have adjusted the wording accordingly!!, worth sending that e-mail scottish guy, could well be worth it !!

[Stroadman]

Don't worry mate,,,,,,,, there's plenty of other muppets on here, you're surrounded by them!!;D;)

Cheers.

[breakthelines]

Thats a bit dodgy I couldn,t do it if I stuff up and snap a rod its my fault not the store owners. I hope you were only having a go at him and you would seriously never do it.>:(>:(>:(>:(

For the amount of money they charge for some rods these days, does it really surprise you mate?

[Jurkyjj]

I'll take this on the chin I reckon... I put too much of a curve in the rod trying to free the snag so I've only got mself to blame.... It's probably not fixable as it's broken about 6-7inches from the tip.

I might send an email to Daiwa Australia telling them what happened. Doubt if they will do anything for me but it's worth a punt.

Mate,
you are certainly man enough to cop it on the chin and you were honest enough to say that you did a silly thing.
As it has been said above, we have all done silly things like this and have learned from it. I too have snapped a rod, loading it up too much.
I just sucked it up, copped it on the chin and forked out some more good earned money down at the tackle store.
It at least gives you an excuse to go to the tackle store.;D;D

Cheers, Jason.

[plastic_paul]

as alot of you have said i have also learn't the hard way, but ive also been on the other end of the stick too, i take great care in all my gear and know when something is a bit sus ( only one rod i have returned, for all you cynics). which the retailer and myself had an argument about(due to me being honest and saying i was snagged and just loading it up, no yanking or highsticking), in the end an agreement was made to send it to the manufacturer or if the rep was close he'd pick it up.

he picked it up and it was faulty, so i got a new one.

i hope you get a positive outcome from this post, whether from lesons learnt or a repairedreplaced rod.

good luck.


and sorry to all for the argument, it definately wasnt my intention

[Jurkyjj]

as alot of you have said i have also learn't the hard way, but ive also been on the other end of the stick too, i take great care in all my gear and know when something is a bit sus ( only one rod i have returned, for all you cynics). which the retailer and myself had an argument about(due to me being honest and saying i was snagged and just loading it up, no yanking or highsticking), in the end an agreement was made to send it to the manufacturer or if the rep was close he'd pick it up.

he picked it up and it was faulty, so i got a new one.

i hope you get a positive outcome from this post, whether from lesons learnt or a repairedreplaced rod.

good luck.


and sorry to all for the argument, it definately wasnt my intention

Fair call Plastic Paul,

At the end of the day.....everybody would like something for nothing!!! I can see where you were trying to go with your comments, but, they were taken slightly the wrong way.
Deep down, I think that we all would love to be able to take something back and ask for a replacement.....but, reality says that we have to cop one on the chin from time to time and suck it up.
I can understand that some things are truly buggered before you get them, as I also used to work in retail. But, as old mate stated, he just stuffed up and made a mistake.

Anyway, its all good mate. happy fishing and tight lines.

Cheers, Jason.

[LostNearBribie]

I did the same last week in the kayak. Different angles etc to the boat and just wasn't thinking and being lazy really. Second drift, snag and snap, didn't have another rod with me so snapped a little more and "made" the two bits fit together again, kept fishing. Got back to the ramp placed the old fav in the bin. My fault, my loss, dumb thing to do, won't do it again. That sound sure is a kick in guts.

[LBGaddict]

im sorry i couldnt read that in the original post, i must be blind or its just not there.


i would definately leave a note if i hit someone and i agree it says alot about someone, i hate those pricks.

and if i high sticked a rod or snapped one by missuse i wouldnt be taking it back, however if i was using lighter than the line rating one the rod (igfa rated) and snapped by pressure i would be. Retail standards state that any information on that rod have to be true, and if it was a 8-10KG rod and i was using 6kg and it snapped they're statement on the rod is false, therefore i am intitled to a refund for that product AND i can launch a case for false or misleading marketing/advertising if im refused a refund.

next time you're in a tackleshop, like a chain one on the weekend, look for a young guy carrying rods out and then have a go at me about whether a rod was abused or not, i've seen it first hand. let alone in transit!

i think this thread has turned to sh*t if you guys cant understand that.

im quite happy to go against the grain here, and if you guys think that rods that you purchase are "straight out of the factory" then good luck to you, i look forward to reading more posts like this!>:(

The line rating on a rod is only applicable where the rod has been used in the way it was intended, hence no highsticking. You can break a 15kg rod with 6kg line if you do it the wrong way, so thats not really an argument. I'm not saying thats what you meant, but some people may have misinterpreted your comment.

As for customers loading stock, this is against the rules of any real store ( so not a chain or sporting store ), if a rod is to be loaded, it is to be done by a staff member, and if it breaks under those circumstances then it is faulty, if it doesn't that it proves the stock wasn't damaged prior to someone buying. This is a good thing as it weeds out majority of faulty blanks.

An experienced rep can tell the difference between an overloaded break, a highstick break, being stepped on, contact breakage or if it is from a faulty blank etc. Generally they will replace the damaged stock rather than run the risk of burning a consumer, unless it is clear that the rod has been broken due to misuse. I've seen customers bring rods in broken into 4 pieces(from 1 piece) and try to claim it was from fighting a fish, so there are some deadbeats out there who expect other people to pay for their mistakes.

[plastic_paul]

fair call lbg, alot of people wont load a rod before buying also, i guess theres too many factors here to make a call on it, unless you're the one doing it of course.

i really didnt intend on an argument just wanted to make people more aware that a rod is not "new" when they get it. i must admit i havent tested some rods until i was faced with this situation, thats why im a bit passionate on this one...

all the best to you, hope you dont have much down time

[Dave_H]

Graphite rods 101....

About here it might be worthwhile to mention that clearing a snagged line from the bottom (especially if using heavy braid) is perhaps easiest accomplished by taking something like either the handle of a screwdriver/fishing knife/pliers etc and wrapping the line a few turns around the handle and using that for purchase on the line (it might be a somewhat interesting excercise in a yak I would imagine), and deadpulling the line towards yourself. It should snap/let go at/on the mono connection side of the join to the braid.

You'll be surprised just how easy they are to clear that way rather than trying to use the leverage of the fragile rod.

That is unless you're using 100llb mono etc.... You might have your work cut out for you then.

All the best,

Dave_H.