Boat Sales Scam

[monkey76]

Ausfish Members
Their is a scam going on with certain on line popular sales sites of boats with a company or individual advertising extremly cheap boats, they state their mobile number does not work and ask for you to e mail them. Once e mailed they state the boats in Darwin and they need payment before they ship it. Be very weary it is almost like one of those Nigerian scams once they have your number they dont stop ringing and threatening.

As the old saying goes if it is to good to be true it normally is

cheers

[ShaneC]

I also asked for info by email on a very well priced Grady White that was 'supposedly' located at Chermside. They didnt offer a number, and boatpo*int got back to me by email informing me that the ad was dodgy. I have received a few emails since from the seller, that I have deleted. If I get another one I will post it with the email address.

Shane

[White Pointer]

G'day,

I've posted on this before and got canned. Here goes again.

The NT is the only State/Territory in OZ that does not have a vessel registration scheme. Therefore if your BMT is nicked and never recovered it left the country in a container or got trucked to the NT.

If you buy a boat in the NT and bring it down here and it is promptly repossessed it is your own fault - not that of the NT government that refuses to join a national protocol and stands by (blindly?) watching and condoning theft and corruption. Don't buy anything out of the NT unless previous owners sale invoices with contact details are provided - irrespective of dealer or private sales.

If you live in the NT and buy a boat in the NT without tracing its provenance and later have a charge of buying stolen property made against you, when you try to insure it, it's your fault - and your government's.

I'm sorry if you folk in the NT are offended by this, but a registration scheme in NT would reduce our insurance premiums. Too much is being lost and never recovered and it's an organised crime.

Regards,

White Pointer

[pop-eye]

Maybe u should send them here http://419eater.com/

[alphas]

Nice link pop eye...lovin the signs they make these clowns hold up!!

Pass on that email shane if you get it again.

[finga]

I'd like to get one of those emails to say the boats in Darwin. I'd send the nephews and their mates to have a gander :)

[Mindi]

I also asked for info by email on a very well priced Grady White that was 'supposedly' located at Chermside. They didnt offer a number, and boatpo*int got back to me by email informing me that the ad was dodgy. I have received a few emails since from the seller, that I have deleted. If I get another one I will post it with the email address.

Shane

Shane...why would you not post all the details..? go for it I reckon.... and if it is known by everyone that it is Boatpoint then maybe they will take some steps to validate ads..? maybe thats not possible...

[pop-eye]

you gotta luv this networking

[BILLY THE KID]

is this cruise craft 575 outsider 65 hrs on the clock ,thats a quick sale due to divorce as the owner is in london ??

$ 15 000 i think it was from memory;D

boat was not able to be veiwed as a payment was needed urgently ::)

[finga]

Shane...why would you not post all the details..? go for it I reckon.... and if it is known by everyone that it is Boatpoint then maybe they will take some steps to validate ads..? maybe thats not possible...
Why would they??
As long as they get their money for the ad they could not care less.

[Crunchy]

Its an ongoing issue...unfortuantely it must work for the scammers from time to time as they obviously haven't given up...and the MO still the same..."use e-mail to contact me as I am difficult to contact / overseas / bla bla bla, boat is in storage / at my brothers place / pay deposit now etc"

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?t=138392

[Crunchy]

Why would they??
As long as they get their money for the ad they could not care less.

Not really, B.P. will take the add down as soon as they are made aware of it

[megafish71]

G'day,

I've posted on this before and got canned. Here goes again.

The NT is the only State/Territory in OZ that does not have a vessel registration scheme. Therefore if your BMT is nicked and never recovered it left the country in a container or got trucked to the NT.

If you buy a boat in the NT and bring it down here and it is promptly repossessed it is your own fault - not that of the NT government that refuses to join a national protocol and stands by (blindly?) watching and condoning theft and corruption. Don't buy anything out of the NT unless previous owners sale invoices with contact details are provided - irrespective of dealer or private sales.

If you live in the NT and buy a boat in the NT without tracing its provenance and later have a charge of buying stolen property made against you, when you try to insure it, it's your fault - and your government's.

I'm sorry if you folk in the NT are offended by this, but a registration scheme in NT would reduce our insurance premiums. Too much is being lost and never recovered and it's an organised crime.

Regards,

White Pointer


I dont think you can blame the NT for not having rego on boats for insurance premium costs. The HIN# is what is tracable, when I lived up there an organized crime ring was steeling quintrex boats, replating them with stolen quintrex plates and moving them interstate, most of the stolen boats that were recovered were in SA and Qld, some were in NSW and Vic and some were never recovered. This crime ring was across the entire country and some people were employed by quintrex and others were from quintrex dealerships. This kind of activity can go on anywhere in the country and to blame it all on the NT's no rego policy is a big call.

Ron

[White Pointer]

I dont think you can blame the NT for not having rego on boats for insurance premium costs. The HIN# is what is tracable, when I lived up there an organized crime ring was steeling quintrex boats, replating them with stolen quintrex plates and moving them interstate, most of the stolen boats that were recovered were in SA and Qld, some were in NSW and Vic and some were never recovered. This crime ring was across the entire country and some people were employed by quintrex and others were from quintrex dealerships. This kind of activity can go on anywhere in the country and to blame it all on the NT's no rego policy is a big call.

Ron

G'day,

Boat manufacturers put the HIN on a main member in the hull somewhere. It is also stamped on the Boat Builder's Plate. The registration of these is lodged with NSW Maritime and that creates the unique ID of the boat that all States and Territories can access for traceability.

If the plate doesn't match the HIN on the hull you're in strife.

It's a simple system and it works.

I went to Melbourne last year and bought a very low KM 1993 Peugeot 405 from a Melbourne car dealer. Despite having a Queensland issued Vehicle Safety Certificate, Queensland Transport insisted on seeing the car and checking out the VIN and engine numbers before they would register it. It checked out.

I have no complaints about Government having processes that stamp out theft and ensure that cars, boats, aircraft, etc have a legitimate provenance.

If it's good enough for cars, it's good enough for boats. The NT government needs to get a grip on reality. They are a weak link and it's about time our insurers called them to account.

Regards,

White Pointer

[megafish71]

Point Taken, but can you tell me where these HIN numbers are located (stamped) onto hulls, I would like to see them. Have owned many boats over the years, new ones and ones that I have completely refurbished. Never seen a HIN anywhere but on the builders plate. If any one can how me it would be great. I know some boat manufactures were/are toying with using the data dot system, this may add some tracability to boat hulls, but I believe the cost of using this system is very high.


Ron

[finga]

Chimo has a boat that was made in the early seventies.
I found the number on it for him.
Lots of boats have the number either on the very front or on the transom (newish glass boats) or stamped on or near the gunnel at the stern.
Timber boats may be a different story though

[finga]

Not really, B.P. will take the add down as soon as they are made aware of it
Too late if it's in print form.

[Crunchy]

Yeh good point

[Bear001]

Chimo has a boat that was made in the early seventies.
I found the number on it for him.
Lots of boats have the number either on the very front or on the transom (newish glass boats) or stamped on or near the gunnel at the stern.
Timber boats may be a different story though


Yep its there - mine is stamped on the gunnel at stern.

[ShaneC]

Ok guys,

Just to clarify. The reason I am not posting the email address is not due to any worries about doing it. I reckon name the bastards if they are trying to shaft someone. I received the following email from BP regarding my enquiry, and then after that I received two unsolicited emails with the subject line- Grady White for Sale (or something similar). These went to my junk mail and the content had been blocked so I immediately deleted them and cannot retrieve the email address it was sent from. Anyway, below is what BP sent me, I KNEW it was too good to be true and that proved to be the case. Mind you there was no way in hell I would have been gving a cent without thoroughly checking it out.... oh well...



Dear Boatpoint Customer,

Removed or Suspend Advertisement

You recently sent an enquiry on the following item:

Reference Code: CM7460

Item: GRADY-WHITE SAILFISH 272

Price: $46,000.00

Please be aware that this advertisement has been suspended or withdrawn from display on the Boatpoint website.
We withdraw or suspend advertisements if we consider that the advertisement may:

be illegal or fraudulent;
infringe the intellectual property rights of a person; or
otherwise be in breach of our Advertising Terms and Conditions. An advertisement may also be suspended if we consider that the advertisement has been accessed or modified by an unauthorised person.
We take this opportunity to remind you that you are solely responsible for your dealings with any seller and urge you to buy responsibly. For more information on how to buy responsibly please visit the following link http://www.boatpoint.com.au/portal/tabID__301803/Default.aspx (http://www.boatpoint.com.au/portal/tabID__301803/Default.aspx)
Please do not hesitate to call our Consumer Team on (03) 9093 8666, Monday to Friday, 8.00 am – 7.00 pm for further information on responsible buying.
If you need to contact us at any other time, please email us directly on support@boatpoint.com.au (support@boatpoint.com.au)


Remember email from carsales.com Limited:

will never ask you to confirm or provide personal information, your log in or password or request payment
Regards,

Consumer Services
carsales.com Ltd

Level1, 109 Burwood Road
Hawthorn VIC 3122

p 03 9093 8666
f 03 9093 8796

[White Pointer]

Point Taken, but can you tell me where these HIN numbers are located (stamped) onto hulls, I would like to see them. Have owned many boats over the years, new ones and ones that I have completely refurbished. Never seen a HIN anywhere but on the builders plate. If any one can how me it would be great. I know some boat manufactures were/are toying with using the data dot system, this may add some tracability to boat hulls, but I believe the cost of using this system is very high.


Ron

G'day,

You need to contact the builder of your boat to find out the location of the engraved or stamped HIN. On my boat it is visible (with a torch) through the inspection hatch on the transom which is also the access point to the bilge pumps.

Data dots are a really good idea and it doesn't have to done as extensively as on a car because hulls are one piece. If I data dot my boat (and I'm considering it) the HIN will be sprayed inside the cab and cockpit, the engine number over the engine with all covers open and the trailer VIN all over the trailer. That way I can separate them and sell each piece with data dot security and transfer a legitimate title. The instruments and other removable bits don't have to be done because they come out of the boat after use and are locked away.

One of my cars is data dotted and I don't think it was too expensive.

Regards,

White Pointer

[reilly]

I been looking for a new 4wd on trading post same thing late model cars low ks States his phone number don't work you can only contact via email scam for sure.