Fuel in Queensland

[dnej]

The State Government is threatening to scrap Queensland’s 8.35 cents a litre fuel subsidy in the June Budget – despite specific assurances to the RACQ and the broader community ahead of the March election that the subsidy would be retained With GST, it will add 9 cents a litre to petrol and diesel and will hit families in the outer suburbs and regional areas hardest, as people in these areas have less access to public transport and, often, longer distances to travel.

While there have been criticisms that the full fuel subsidy is not always passed on to motorists, the bottom line in abandoning it would be Queenslanders paying an extra 8.35 cents a litre in fuel excise, plus an extra 0.835 cents a litre.

Fight the fuel tax and join RACQ's fuel e-petition now at http://www.racq.com.au/promotions/fuel_tax_subsidy_petition (http://www.racq.com.au/promotions/fuel_tax_subsidy_petition)
to send a clear message to Premier Anna Bligh that Queenslanders will not accept withdrawal of the fuel subsidy.
Regards
David

[rowanda]

while i do feel for you having to pay more for fuel, about time you guys paid the same price as us in NSW!!
I just wish your subsidy continued and was passed down here as well

[bennykenny]

done champ thanks for that, this is all we need right now, nice one Anna.

[BaitThrower]

while i do feel for you having to pay more for fuel, about time you guys paid the same price as us in NSW!!
I just wish your subsidy continued and was passed down here as well

I wouldnt get too upset. Often I have found fuel cheaper over the border than what you can get in Queensland! Makes ya wonder!

[PADDLES]

yep, it's a total load of krap that's simply lining the pockets of the fuel companies, get rid of it i reckon. same goes for the diesel subsidy for biodiesel blend, i can buy diesel at the bp on the highway for 109.9cpl or i can buy b20 biodiesel blend that's supposed to have a 6c or 8c (can't remember exactly what it is) subsidy, for exactly the same price, where is the money going, certainly not in my pocket.

[snasman]

Thanks for that,shes a cow ,and dont use bio fuels in any common rail engines,it will destroy them.

[finga]

I wouldnt get too upset. Often I have found fuel cheaper over the border than what you can get in Queensland! Makes ya wonder!
Your not wrong there matey.
Mum and dad pay less in Casino then we do in Brisbane??
Also why is fuel cheaper in Warwick then Brisbane by 12+c/l??
Someones making a packet. I wonder who??

[RobGoesFish]

The fuel subsidy should have been abolished years ago. It's not a good practice to subsidise an activity that directly leads to pollution. I'll pay more for my fuel in the name of sustainability just don't take away our fishing areas.

Rob

[PADDLES]

it's a 1hz snasman .......... pretty agricultural ................. no common rail

[Peter4]

It's official - Captain Bligh announced this morning that the subsidy will be abolished from1 July 2009 saving the State Government $300million......

RACQ estimates that it will add $172 to the average annual fuel bill as well as making Qld the most expensive state in which to run a motor vehicle.....

[Apollo]

It is done - fuel subsidy has been scrapped.

[Bowser]

I will paraphrase an old bumper sticker

"Don't blame me I voted LNP"

I am not debating the validity of the decision to sell the farm, but I will debate the need to put this sort of info before the people to enable them to make a decision on whom to vote for based on facts not LIES!

I had to sit through another bout of lies by Andrew Fraser on the ABC this afternoon. He has the gall to sit there and state that the removal of the fuel subsidy and the sale of government assets were on the table before the last election, Yeah right they were, just like the episode of Yes Minister where the public service put the balanced view in the bottom of the last box 'accidently' hidden in a folder on something else. These decisions were made before the last election and that biatch and Fraser knew about them. They were so enamoured by their own self righteousness that they decided to call an election on a pack of lies and obfuscations because they knew if the went to the polls with the truth they would never win a seat let alone the election!!!! (Krudd is trying to do the same with the threat of a double dissolution on carbon trading.)


“The fuel subsidy should have been abolished years ago. It's not a good practice to subsidise an activity that directly leads to pollution. I'll pay more for my fuel in the name of sustainability just don't take away our fishing areas.

Rob”

Sure, pay another 8 cents for your fuel, don’t forget the tax that they are also putting on fuel and consider your fill up on the 1st of July where you could be paying anything up to 29 cents a litre more for your fuel. (Source is fuel watch from today’s ABC drive program) Then consider what the effect of this, anything between 8.8c and 29c, is going to do to every single thing you buy from any store! Fuel is a large part of the cost of transport and transport is a large part of the cost of your groceries, your bait and tackle and anything else you buy. Can you still afford to go fishing when your weekly shop is another $5 or $10 or more and everything else you buy has increased by?

Let’s add the increase in your registration to your car and trailer, not to mention the boat. According to Fraser, again on the ABC, this time last week, he announced the increase before the budget at 6%. According to the RACQ the eventual increase is anything up to 21% of the actual cost of the registration of the car. Fraser obfuscates this by saying the 6% is the increase in the total bill including the third party insurance, but doesn’t include the increase that was incurred in third party over the year. He also conveniently failed to mention the CPI increase that has been passed on to you the driver which means that your rego in July can be up by over $200. And don’t ask me where the massive increase in boat registration revenue has gone!

Yes it is easy to gloss over the loss of 8c a litre when you say it quickly. From my reckoning the teacher’s demands for a pay rise are well under what is needed just to tread water.

[Alchemy]

This is great. No doubt the $300M government savings will be passed back to the average worker like me in the form of tax cuts. :P

[PADDLES]

i wouldn't hold your breath alchemy, but at least it's not $300m lining the pockets of fuel retailers not passing it on. it'd be nice if this meant that rego wasn't going to increase though.

[cormorant]

So all the assets are getting sold off . What happens then. Our governments and politicians are useless ( that's both sides).

Seriousy this mob is selling off the last cash cows but still need to spend. Whee is the money coming from in 5 years time.

Read my lips - more tax more tax and more tax and higher utility prices..

We could us ethe US model and just print more money ............. inflation????

I was going to retire in QLD but am now looking somewhere else -------any ideas

[PADDLES]

i hear it's nice in kabul at the moment, little bit warm at this time of year though.

point i'm making is that even though i pay sh#tloads of tax, i understand that australia is a pretty awesome place to live compared to most other places in the world and so i don't mind. our fuel and energy are still reasonably cheap compared to most other developed countries (other than the good old land of apple pie of course). governments have been selling off assets to raise cash for years.

[TimiBoy]

It's fascinating that The Borg said billions needed to be found and jobs would be on the block if necessary.

Anna said no jobs will go, fuel subsidy is safe, everything will be super.

All the idiots out there (50.something percent of the population) said Borg was a liar, Anna was telling the truth.

Guess what? They got it all ar$e about. If The Borg knew what was happening, and Anna DIDN'T, she is proving she is an idiot. If she did know, she was lying.

So Anna Bligh is either an idiot or a liar.

I actually agree that some State run Operations are better in Private hands. But she told and is telling more porkies than I've had hot dinners.

Tim

[PinHead]

while i do feel for you having to pay more for fuel, about time you guys paid the same price as us in NSW!!
I just wish your subsidy continued and was passed down here as well

how about we get to pay the same rego as you guys...that would be fairer but she is increasing that by 22% approx.

Anna Bligh..destroyer of QLD.

[cormorant]

Not complaining about taxes as such just where it goes once it is collected.. Some things look better in private hands as they were very ineffecient in the public domain but were left to run down by sucessive governments as well. Problem is they are selling and assett and the capital isn't going back to pay off an old debt but instead used to gera up for a new promise. That can only go on fr so long till no physical assets are left and the price moderating ability of them in power, water and sewerage becomes totally free market- USA style where it goes belly up



Hmmm Kabul --- I like a bit of shooting just not with my lunch daily or at me!!. Aust is great but we are doing a fair bit to take some of the greatness out of it.

[champion]

Tim hit the nail right on the head !!

Alot of people fell for her (Anna) crap.... no they will learn the hard way !

Yes i think it might be true that Some assests will be better off run by the "private sector", but at what point did she (Anna) ask the people of QLD (who pay for these services, with fees and taxes) if she could put it all on the market ?


Joe

[finga]

When I first moved to Queensland in 1992 rego was much cheaper in QLD then NSW (I couldn't wait to get the PO box) and we were allowed to use a hose.

Now...the last time I registered the Kingswood in NSW it was about $530 per year. In Queensland it's closer to the $900 mark.
In NSW I could wash it with the garden hose. In QLD we cannot use a hose and we live in a sub tropic climate... Go figure.

Bring back Joh and Russ I say :)

[Apollo]

Now...the last time I registered the Kingswood \ :)

Not the Kingswood - I just shampooed the dipstick! Sorry had to do it. Showing my age now.

Ted Bullpit;D

[PADDLES]

good stuff apollo ................ a bit of aussie gold there old ted bulpit

[Mrs Ronnie H]

Hi all
Timi I agree with you mate-- But we all know she's been telling half truths all along and only letting everyone know what she's really been up to after the fact.

If I could see the price of petrol taking a downward slide then let the tax go and maybe our petrol prices would seem fairer.

If the RACQ is saying it will add around $170 to the average cost each year then double that for us as we run two cars to Brisbane each week, on average 1250 klm's combined. THANKS ANNA

REGISTRATION-- WE HAVE 3 CARS A BOAT AND TRAILER-- THANKS ANNA


If petrol is cheaper in NSW and they do not have the fuel tax then someone please explain to me why we are paying more with the tax???
You would think that not having the tax in theory would lower the price of fuel but instead it is going to creep up along with everything else. WHY???????????????

As I heard last night no fuel tax means we will be paying more for everything that is delivered by road, paying more for an electrician to come out to our home, more for a builder to build our house and the list goes on. Don't forget we are funding ANNA with 3 rego hikes in twelve months as well.

As far as I am concerned (and my opinion only )is that Anna is funding her government at the expense of the average working person by taking away any little benefit she can.
I will create jobs-- how ANNA at the expense of those that have already got one. Hitting everyone straight in the hip pocket where it hurts most for the things people need most.

Registration, electricity-- how long does the average person have to pay for ANNA blighs S%%&&***F up.

As was heard on the radio a day or two ago-- We should all come to a grinding holt and have a minutes silence-- reason--Queensland is dying.
THANKS ANNA

Ronnie

[Apollo]

how long does the average person have to pay for ANNA blighs S%%&&***F up.

Ronnie

Till the next election!

I am just looking around for the sign that says ' Queensland - Massive closing down sale'

Steve

[douggy]

Is your Govt going down the same road as the clowns in NSW? In their wisdom they have decided that straight unleaded will shortly be taken off the menu in NSW and replace by E10. Great for boatowners (like hell). Means the fule companies get richer cause we will have to buy Premium Unleaded for our boats..
Gezz I am glad that we have all these clever bastards looking out for us, NOT

[Jabba_]

Today
Thur 4/6/09

Gold Coast
ULP @ $1.089lt
Diesel @ $1.059...

Sydney
ULP @ $1.049
Diesel @ $1.109

So us QLDer's are suppose to be getting the 8c fuel subsidy discount but Sydney is cheaper by 4c/lt.... Go figure

I can see why the state govenment want to pull the plug on the scheme... The only people saving money, or making money is the oil companies themselves, by not passing on the whole 8c....

[harry_h01]

There are a number of petitions on the following web link. Please have alook and sign up.

Harry

http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/EPetitions_QLD/CurrentEPetitions.aspx?LIndex=1

[frogfuzz]

I think some people are missing the point on the public asset sale. Yes some things are better in Private hands.

However that's not the point/debate. The point/debate should be why is she doing it? Why? because she has managed the State's finances like any good ALP government does - by totally destroying them.

What are we going to sell come the end of this State Gov't current term to cover the debt that they run up over the next three years? ANS: Nothing.

There is nothing left to sell. So they will bring on higher taxes in the face of higher inflation, more debt owed to "nice" military dictatorships like China and the Middle East, and the continued export of our jobs to SE ASIA thanks to ETS. Any worker who votes for the ALP thinking that they will protect them need their head examined.

Oh and for those who don't mind the fuel subsidy being removed. The hike in fuel will just be the beginning of fuel going up. The world is meant to be in GFC. Yet the price of oil is still going up. KRudd's solution to this? Add a carbon tax (that will save the planet apparently, by turning oil into a "golden goose" for the gov't) to the price of petrol. Welcome to KRudd and Goose economics 101.

Some people learn the hard way. It's a pitty they drag others down with them.

[Jabba_]

The hard way.. Mmm,, that's comical...

Sydney & Victoria have no fuel subsidy scheme yet ULP in those two states are constantly cheaper then QLD...

Please Fuzzy, how is it were learning the hard way...

Australia is not in a recession, and third party economist (from ANZ, West Pack, CBA and so on) have openly stated it was the government's Stimulus package that has helped prevent Australia from entering a recession...

Australia still has a positive economical growth, all be-it it is only .4%... But every other 1st world, modern economy has retracted into the negative figures...

Australia also has the lowest deficit out off all the 1st world modern economies...


I also remember the Liberal Party selling off major Australian assets, like Telstra...


Anyone arguing its Labour's fault surely must have there head wedge up there arse....

don't worry, Anna won't lead QLD for much longer... If the LNP can hold it together, then John Paul Langbroek will be QLD next leader

[akman1]

I reckon you blokes are lucky,us NSW's have been putting up with this sort of LaboUr rubbish for years and if you're considering turning out the lights in qld and moving south,the lights down here went out years ago plus we also have the record of being the only state/territory in OZ to be in recession because our government has to be good at something!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lovey80]

Jabba, you really do look at things fed to you with filtered glasses don't you. My friend the fact that this moronic fed gov't just spent 300billion just to delay a (technical) ressession and people like you are prepared to buy that crap is the reason this gullible state has anna as premier. Lowest debt? Who gives a rats ass about our debt in comparrison to other countries. What matters is that labour were handed a country in brilliant shape by Howard. It was them that put us In the best position in the world to weather this storm NOT the stimulus that your grandchildren will be paying back. Feel free to do some non tabloid reading jabba.

[Jabba_]

Well you have a few things wrong there Lovey.. Firstly the Fed Gov't did not spend 300billion, it is around 42billion IRC for this fiscal year alone... 300billion is the amount off tax revenue the Fed Gov't has lost (this fiscal) due to the GFC, and everyone spending less....

No filtered looking glass for me champ. I have been a Liberal voter since Dr John Hewson ran for priminister.. But even tho I vote Liberal, I don't and I won't use that filtered glasses that most off you on this forum wear every day...

Yes Labour was handed the country in good shape... Good shape so long as the trillion dollar revenue kept coming in... But it didn't, it retracted back....

How much debt did Australia have when Howard left the office... $0

No, Australia had 600 billion dollars worth off foreign... $30'000 for every person in Aust...

So how are K.Rudd an Swan suppose to keep Zero deficit when Interest on 600 billion needs to be payed, 300billion in revenue has disappeared, and a stimulus package has to be put out to cushion the amount off job losses....



Oh,, What do you think is better to 42 billions on.....
A stimulus
or
handing out dole cheques....

[TimiBoy]

The stimulus? In retrospect I'm thinking probably not a bad idea. Parts of it were terrible, like spending on schools - it should all have been spent on income production.

Borrowing? Obviously necessary to an extent, but $300 Billion? Breathtaking. I'm amazed that we have such a huge Public Service, and a Committee for everything. We don't need it all, there are billions being wasted there, State and Federal. Traditional BIG Labor Government is blowing the Budget, like it always does.

The ETS is a crock. Carbon is not an issue, but it is politically correct. So we will tax carbon regardless of what other Countries do, thus sending many jobs offshore and reducing our living standards. Since when did we have to be the Leaders in this? KRUDD has this ludicrous notion that by being a Leader in Carbon reduction we (and he) will achieve icon status internationally. The reality is that every other Country is sitting, watching, and waiting for us to fall flat on our faces.

Recession? Of course we are having one. The Agricultural sector in Oz has been badly depressed because of the drought, but now it is climbing out. It is performing well, and it has delivered a big positive punch. Every other sector is in the poo. Any Politician who claims Labor has kept us from a recession is either lying or stupid.

How long will it last? There are still vast amounts of bad debts in the US that have yet to hit the balance sheets. The Fed is printing money so it can hand out more. NOT GOOD! Still, I think the recovery will be fast enough. China is coming out, it will demand our resources, so our Mining Sector will recover and the boom will come again - maybe not as large, but it will be there. Trouble is China has billions and billions of US currency under the bed. Soon that will be worth less and less. So...

Within a few years, we won't be talking in $US, we will be talking in Yuan, or some other new Global Currency.

And on to the State of Queensland. Anna's arrogance is unbelievable. I have made the point before that she knew income would be knocked down, that selling assets was going to happen, that 100,000 jobs were a furfy. The LNP stated that income would be downgraded, and that money would have to be found. Anna said don't vote LNP they will do terrible things, everything will be fine. Many people here spruiked that Borg was a liar. Pity. Had we voted him in, the difference would be that we would at least have known what we were getting.

And now she's talking about selling our Council water resources back to us??? And at what markup from the theft prices we were given for them? Is no one else just unspeakably furious about this?

Trouble is where do you move to? We are still the best Country in the World, but we run like a mad woman's sh!t (Peter Moon - gotta love him!!!) What the hell can be done about it???? I am lost for an answer.

Tim

[BaitThrower]

What the hell can be done about it???? I am lost for an answer.

Tim

Forget about all the political crap and just enjoy life in whatever form it is thrown at you. That's my answer :P
Most of the happiest people on the planet are certainly not the richest!

[finga]

Recession? Of course we are having one. The Agricultural sector in Oz has been badly depressed because of the drought, but now it is climbing out. It is performing well, and it has delivered a big positive punch. Every other sector is in the poo.
Again the humble cow cocky has pulled Australia out of the poo.
If it was not for them we would be in a technical recession.

It's about time Australia realised this and supported our farmers.

[frogfuzz]

[quote=Jabba_;1026687]The hard way.. Mmm,, that's comical...




Jabba says:


"Australia still has a positive economical growth, all be-it it is only .4%... But every other 1st world, modern economy has retracted into the negative figures..."



jabba: Learning the hard way - show me where a ALP government has not left the next government debt to pay off Jabba.

Not in recession - Bhawwwawwhahahahahahah! Yea - that's why people are still losing their jobs! But don't worry if you have lost your jobs - Anna is making 100,000 extra jobs as per her election promise, plus all of KRudss jobs - no problem /sarcasim off.

Spending money on consumption stimulus does not generate real wealth producing jobs (except for KRudd's true country - China). Any ninkinpoop knows that. Talk about believing spin! How come when Springborg used actual figures during the election to talk up the economy (saying we were not in recession) - he was lampooned by the ALP for saying so - yet now with a little "blip" on the charts suddenly we're not? Me thinks the ALP are more interested in spin than substance (unless of course it suits them otherwise - like the latest figures)

Oh - and I suggest you go study the facts about no developed country being in surplus. I think you will find some of the Scandinavian countries are not yet running deficits. Or you can just believe KRudd's lies. Your blind belief in what you hear on the box from the ALP is comical. ;D

[wrip109]

You sure the 8 cents effects diesel? I thought it was just petrol. Never mind I am on gas!

Philby
www.philbyresearch.com/fishinglures (http://www.philbyresearch.com/fishinglures)

[Outsider1]

Interesting how terminology changes.

The so called Qld fuel subsidy was actually originally simply that the Qld State government did not charge State taxes on fuel in Qld. The Feds always have, then each state added their take, but Qld did not need to (thanks Joh!).

As other have mentioned Qld also had lower rego and license costs, lower tax on alcohol and smokes etc etc. The "low tax state" was the moniker they used and it attracted migrants for the cold south like bears to honey!. For those that remember there was also no death duties either. By the way Tax make up more than half the cost of a litre of fuel at the pump!.

When GST was introduced, this required the removal of all state taxes. Because Qld did not have a state tax on fuel, and the Feds were going to charge every state the same under GST, no fuel tax suddenly became a fuel subsidy!.

So in reality Bligh is adding a fuel tax, not removing a subsidy. Adding a fuel tax that for some 30 years or so consecutive Qld governments have managed to not need to charge!!

By the way in the decade and more of the Beattie/Bligh government, in the greatest economic boom period ever seen, all those Qld tax advantages have been progressively removed, ever last one of them. So where has the money gone??? I think that puts it in much better context IMHO!

[Kevin Ferguson]

Yes it's gone , but lets not call it a subsidy. Originally set up as a return to Qld motorists from a tax that other states wanted , which for legal reasons required the Fed Gov to impose. So not an end to a subsidy as Anna is trying ( with aid of mainstream media ) to sell but a NEW TAX. Cheers Kevin

[Kevin Ferguson]

Sorry Outsider1 . This B/S gets me that much that I didn't even get to your post before replying. You have covered the situation perfectly. Cheers Kevin