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Malcolm W
09-04-2009, 12:44 PM
Found this one, and may interest a few of you. Cheers Mal.

Which is Better: 4 Blades or 3 Blades? - 04/08/2009
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For many years now, boaters have debated the question of 4-blade propellers versus 3-blades. The traditional argument is that 4-blades are slow and 3-blades are fast, end of discussion. Today, new trends in the marine marketplace, higher fuel prices and challenging economic times are causing boaters to take a second look at this old debate. Speed is now a much smaller part of the boating equation, and now practical, real world performance is the name of the game for most people. Which props should you be using, 4-blade or 3?


Learn more about PowerTech propellers. (http://www.########.com/products/Product-test.aspx?id=8)


http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/4blade.jpg http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/3blade.jpgThe world’s new emphasis on economy and efficiency is causing everyone to take a second look at 4-bladed props.


You should, too.


In the beginning, the idea that 4-blades were slower than 3-blades was true to a certain extent, but that is because many of those 4-blades were not designed with speed in mind. Instead, the few designs that were available were intended to cure handling issues such as ventilation, cornering blowout, motor elevation requirements, and hole shot issues. Without many options in blade design, and very few of them truly intended to be particularly fast, the 4-blade got branded as slow, while their other performance benefits were largely dismissed.




By contrast, today’s 4-blade propeller designs have evolved into both all-purpose and highly specialized geometries. These propellers can be tailored to not only address those traditional handling issues, but can also be tailored to improve a boat’s performance envelope, which can, in some cases, even include speed.





Reasons for 4 Blades





The increased blade area afforded by the addition of the fourth blade can provide increased water displacement capability, lift, and grip, as compared to the comparable 3-blade propeller. In terms of actual boat performance, these characteristics can combine to enhance handling, hole shot, low-speed planning ability, cruise efficiency, fuel efficiency, load-carrying performance, big seas performance, following seas/down current performance, ventilation/cavitation resistance, motor elevation capability, etc. In short, a 4-blade propeller can improve all those characteristics that make for practical, all-around boat performance.





http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/kappel_02.jpgFour-blade props usually have a lower pitch to keep the rpms the same as a 3-blade.





But are 4-Blades Slow?





So, why might a 4-blade generally be slower than its 3-blade counterpart? To be honest, many 3-blade/4-blade speed comparisons are simply not fair. That’s because the respective propellers in question are simply different styles, designed with different purposes in mind—different diameters, rakes, cupping, and blade shapes.




If, however, for comparison purposes, we take two propellers, identical in design (blade shape, diameter, rake, cup, etc.) that is appropriate for a given application, and simply add a propeller blade, we get a truer representation of just where the difference lies. The addition of the extra blade causes increased drag, which, in turn, requires more horsepower, in order to achieve the same rpm. Since the horsepower is limited, the rpms drop, and the speed will tend to drop with it. This is why, when going from a 3-blade to a 4-blade, the pitch is dropped an inch, or more, in order to keep rpm parity. It is this difference in pitch that causes any potential speed differentials between the 3-blade and the 4.





http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/01_propeller.jpgThree-blade props can take a bigger bite but have their limitations.





As to any actual speed loss between the two, in many cases, it is actually quite small (generally 1-3 mph). The reason is, although the 4-blade is one-inch lower in pitch, it runs more efficiently than its 3-blade competitor, allowing it to run closer to its theoretical speed than the 3-blade, thereby, effectively closing the gap presented by the pitch differential.




Designing the Solution




As we have learned more about what makes a propeller work and not work, and about how boats and motors perform and do not perform, we have designed propellers that address the inherent strengths AND weaknesses of each of these respective pieces of the puzzle. These designs have become even more important as more and more specialized boat designs and motor trends have entered the marketplace and as new trends and economic challenges arise. All that said, the most important part of the equation remains the customer’s performance expectation and satisfaction; so, the goal is to match the propeller to the boat, motor, AND the customer’s needs…as always, the right tool for the right job.




Marcus Clements


PowerTech! Propellers

BaitThrower
09-04-2009, 02:47 PM
Hmmmmm....

Let me guess... powerTech Propellers make 4-blade props or are trying to sell more of them!
Yes I am sure there are good reasons for 4-blade props, and heck I might even get one for my 30hp Yammy just for the sake of trying one out (need a new one)

but I wouldnt believe everything you read... If they were the be all and end all, wouldn't we all have 4-blade props on our outboards by choice?

FNQCairns
09-04-2009, 03:15 PM
Found this one, and may interest a few of you. Cheers Mal.

Which is Better: 4 Blades or 3 Blades? - 04/08/2009
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For many years now, boaters have debated the question of 4-blade propellers versus 3-blades. The traditional argument is that 4-blades are slow and 3-blades are fast, end of discussion. Today, new trends in the marine marketplace, higher fuel prices and challenging economic times are causing boaters to take a second look at this old debate. Speed is now a much smaller part of the boating equation, and now practical, real world performance is the name of the game for most people. Which props should you be using, 4-blade or 3?


Learn more about PowerTech propellers. (http://www.########.com/products/Product-test.aspx?id=8)


http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/4blade.jpg http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/3blade.jpgThe world’s new emphasis on economy and efficiency is causing everyone to take a second look at 4-bladed props.


You should, too.


In the beginning, the idea that 4-blades were slower than 3-blades was true to a certain extent, but that is because many of those 4-blades were not designed with speed in mind. Instead, the few designs that were available were intended to cure handling issues such as ventilation, cornering blowout, motor elevation requirements, and hole shot issues. Without many options in blade design, and very few of them truly intended to be particularly fast, the 4-blade got branded as slow, while their other performance benefits were largely dismissed.




By contrast, today’s 4-blade propeller designs have evolved into both all-purpose and highly specialized geometries. These propellers can be tailored to not only address those traditional handling issues, but can also be tailored to improve a boat’s performance envelope, which can, in some cases, even include speed.





Reasons for 4 Blades





The increased blade area afforded by the addition of the fourth blade can provide increased water displacement capability, lift, and grip, as compared to the comparable 3-blade propeller. In terms of actual boat performance, these characteristics can combine to enhance handling, hole shot, low-speed planning ability, cruise efficiency, fuel efficiency, load-carrying performance, big seas performance, following seas/down current performance, ventilation/cavitation resistance, motor elevation capability, etc. In short, a 4-blade propeller can improve all those characteristics that make for practical, all-around boat performance.





http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/kappel_02.jpgFour-blade props usually have a lower pitch to keep the rpms the same as a 3-blade.





But are 4-Blades Slow?





So, why might a 4-blade generally be slower than its 3-blade counterpart? To be honest, many 3-blade/4-blade speed comparisons are simply not fair. That’s because the respective propellers in question are simply different styles, designed with different purposes in mind—different diameters, rakes, cupping, and blade shapes.




If, however, for comparison purposes, we take two propellers, identical in design (blade shape, diameter, rake, cup, etc.) that is appropriate for a given application, and simply add a propeller blade, we get a truer representation of just where the difference lies. The addition of the extra blade causes increased drag, which, in turn, requires more horsepower, in order to achieve the same rpm. Since the horsepower is limited, the rpms drop, and the speed will tend to drop with it. This is why, when going from a 3-blade to a 4-blade, the pitch is dropped an inch, or more, in order to keep rpm parity. It is this difference in pitch that causes any potential speed differentials between the 3-blade and the 4.





http://www.########.com/images-gallery/News/01_propeller.jpgThree-blade props can take a bigger bite but have their limitations.





As to any actual speed loss between the two, in many cases, it is actually quite small (generally 1-3 mph). The reason is, although the 4-blade is one-inch lower in pitch, it runs more efficiently than its 3-blade competitor, allowing it to run closer to its theoretical speed than the 3-blade, thereby, effectively closing the gap presented by the pitch differential.




Designing the Solution




As we have learned more about what makes a propeller work and not work, and about how boats and motors perform and do not perform, we have designed propellers that address the inherent strengths AND weaknesses of each of these respective pieces of the puzzle. These designs have become even more important as more and more specialized boat designs and motor trends have entered the marketplace and as new trends and economic challenges arise. All that said, the most important part of the equation remains the customer’s performance expectation and satisfaction; so, the goal is to match the propeller to the boat, motor, AND the customer’s needs…as always, the right tool for the right job.




Marcus Clements


PowerTech! Propellers


Yeah gotta agree it's full of fluff and technical ticks, I do like this part though as he is talking about slip and is correct in a test tank but when bolted to transom so many more factors are at work to achieve great outcome.

cheers fnq

Spaniard_King
09-04-2009, 06:21 PM
; so, the goal is to match the propeller to the boat, motor, AND the customer’s needs…as always, the right tool for the right job.




Funnily enough this never seems to happen, all too often its" thats the prop we fit to that engine/boat setup" ::)

darkside
10-04-2009, 09:19 AM
Found this one, and may interest a few of you. Cheers Mal.

That is fantastic that you found that for us, also refreshing that you didn't have to look to far, as it's on your "website" right next to where you are promoting your "4 bladed props" i do love to see a good " infomercial"

Darkside

Malcolm W
10-04-2009, 11:38 AM
Found this one, and may interest a few of you. Cheers Mal.

That is fantastic that you found that for us, also refreshing that you didn't have to look to far, as it's on your "website" right next to where you are promoting your "4 bladed props" i do love to see a good " infomercial"

Darkside
Not sure what you mean by this, its on an american website called Boat Test .com. I have nothing to do with props apart from having one fitted by solas. I found the information interesting as the prop I fitted had many of the positive results found in the article. Its just a cut and copy of the article, its not My "website" or a promotion as you suggest. I dont even know how you came to that conclusion. I just thought a few ausfishers would be interested to see it.

tin can marlin
10-04-2009, 07:30 PM
I would ring steve at solars props real good guy and knows his stuff when it comes to props.