Tld 25 How much backing needed?

[fishingnottaken]

I've just purchased a tld25 and am buyig the line for it today, my question is how much backing will i need to put on i was thinking of putting 300 meters of 30-40lb braid on so how much mono do you think i'll need? I'd love to hear any recommendations people have for type of braid or wight class. i'll be using it mainly for bottom bashing around the close in reefs around tweed the goldy and maybe tangling with the occasional bull in the canals.
cheers

[Lovey80]

Hey mate, I don't know how much backing you will need as I don't own a TLD25 but would like to possibly make you consider one point that I have only recently changed my opinion on. ( unless your doing it purely for sport or records) I am now of this thinking and other bigger fish guru's may put me in my place here but...........

I choose a strength of braid that the target species (or likely bycatch) is highly unlikely to strip 100m of braid from my spool. With the correct drag setting for the line strength if a fish ever gets to the point where it is getting close to taking 100m of line off my spool (significant fish on 40lb line) I'll be winding up the drag to the point that it will either turn the fish and start getting line back or the leader knot will break (i hope).

I use the 100m rule now as over several respools of different pound braid on different outfits by the time the line is ready for replacing, I seem to average about 30m of lost braid through re-tying leaders, braid getting frayed/broken in fight, braid simply getting old and brittle and needing to be cut back etc etc.

So by the time i decide to respool i find that I'm striping a heap of braid that in reality rarely/never got used. For my thoughts if I ever get to the stage that (yet to happen) if the fish is getting close to getting back to the mono backing I have to make a decision, 1: do i try and turn him (most likely) or 2: run the risk of letting the backing to braid knot run through the runners and hope it doesn't break and continue the fight.

From now on i'm only buying 150m/yd of braid, not because I'm a tight arse but feel it's just a waste.

Some long winded food for thought.

Cheers

Chris

[fishingnottaken]

cheers for that insight mate, i was only thinking of spooling on the longer line because it;s been a while since i was offshore and wasn;t certain how much line i'd have out if i was drifting while i was bottom bashing or floating a bait out. if anyone could give me some idea's on that as well it'd be appreciated.

[Lovey80]

I should have mentioned that I only usually fish in up to 50-60m If your going to be in 100m+ then that would be a different story.

Cheers

Chris

[trueblue]

300 m of 30 lb berkley whiplash pro will cost you about $48 if on special... don't worry about the cost.

the length of the backing will depend on the type and diameter of the mono you put underneath it. 30 m of 30 lb braid will take up less than 1/4" on the diameter of the spool, so to get the diameter up near the red line you will need a lot of mono.

With the TLD 25 though, you could go with a lot stronger braid. You can get an easy 8 kg's or more of drag out of that reel. Whiplash pro braid is ultra thin, so heavier braid will fit easily, especially with the extra width of the TLD 25.

I like to use heavier braid though (I use 80 lb - 37 kg) because it is still thin, and if it gets snagged just sunset the drag and lock your thumbs on the spool and you will break the leader and get your braid back.

cheers

Mick

[phatty]

300m of 40lb braid wont really take up any room on a tld25.
my guess is that youll proberly (remembering that this is just a guess) half fill your spool with backing.

i have a saltist 30TH and i thought i might have been over doing it putting 100m of 40lb backing on.. when i got the the end of gettin my 50lb jigman (300m) ontop the spool i still had plently of room left.




I use the 100m rule now as over several respools of different pound braid on different outfits by the time the line is ready for replacing, I seem to average about 30m of lost braid through re-tying leaders, braid getting frayed/broken in fight, braid simply getting old and brittle and needing to be cut back etc etc.

So by the time i decide to respool i find that I'm striping a heap of braid that in reality rarely/never got used.



chris, to be honest id find it more of a waste changing my braid all the time.
as you said.. yea its alot of line but it does get used eventually.

if you start of with 150m of braid.. when then by the time that trips over youve taken off your 30m of wore braid.. you then have over 120m left.. then after the next time youll only have 90m! by the next trip after that your line wouldnt have hit the bottom yet and youll be into your backing. then you go through the process of respooling again.

not having a go at you or anything, its just theres good reason for having 300.

and if you do have 300m of braid on your spool and you think its old and had it.. flip your spool over by taking the line off with a spool on a cordless drill.. a once thats on, do it agan to flip it over so the old end is on the bottom off the spool attached to you backing.

its like buying in bulk.

matt.

[Local_Guy]

They are big spools. if your planning on only putting 100m of braid on the reel i would fill the spool up with mono to just before the red line on the barrel. this would be about 350m of 30lb mono, then 100m 30lb braid or heavier.

i think i have 360m of 45lb schneider on my reel. good luck getting a fish to take all of that.

[banshee]

The only way I know how to get it right is a bit drawn out but leads to the desired result.Firstly put all your braid on the reel then tie the backing to the braid with a simple overhand knotand fill the reel to the red line.Once full cut the backing and reconect the two ends before winding that length back on to what ever you've just taken it off (a battery drill with a bit built up with electrical tape works wonders here),when you get to the braid pull the knot apart and spin the braid back onto it's original spool (with the drill).Once this is all off it's a matter of puting the length of backing on the reel,when you come to the overhand knot in it pull it apart conect to the braid with your knot of choice and wind on the spool of braid,this (the braid) will now fill up to the red line.A bit of bugerising about but if your going to fish deep water you'll need the spool chockas to give you the best retrieve ratio.

[tenzing]

Gidday,
Thye simplest way to work it out is to get out your brochure from the box and check the line capacity and to look up the diameter of THAT line.
Length times Diameter gives you a spool capacity figure ( I just made that term up to make it simple??)
The spool capacity figure(scf!) is a constant for that reel.
If you use a line of double the diameter you will fit exactly half the orinally nominated lenth on.ie length xdiameter = scf And so on

Now for the backing:
( Length x diameter of backing )+(length x Diameter of mainline) =scf still!

So:1. look at diameter of braid
2. Multiply by braid length (call this "x")
3. subtract x from scf (that you worked out earlier) Call this answer "y"
4. Y divided by backing diameter = backing length!!

Try this , it really works and is easier on the hands But maybe harder on the brain. A calculator really helps .
If you get stuck pm me the diameters and lenghts and I will try to help
Oh and remember to keep the units the same ie mm and inches etc.

This link may be useful;http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?t=137313

Have fun.
Brendan
Ps I just re read the original article and see the author uses the term total capacity factor so I guess I have cheated somewhat with the scf business - sorry

[banshee]

Gidday,
Thye simplest way to work it out is to get out your brochure from the box and check the line capacity and to look up the diameter of THAT line.
Length times Diameter gives you a spool capacity figure ( I just made that term up to make it simple??)
The spool capacity figure(scf!) is a constant for that reel.
If you use a line of double the diameter you will fit exactly half the orinally nominated lenth on.ie length xdiameter = scf And so on

Now for the backing:
( Length x diameter of backing )+(length x Diameter of mainline) =scf still!

So:1. look at diameter of braid
2. Multiply by braid length (call this "x")
3. subtract x from scf (that you worked out earlier) Call this answer "y"
4. Y divided by backing diameter = backing length!!

Try this , it really works and is easier on the hands But maybe harder on the brain. A calculator really helps .
If you get stuck pm me the diameters and lenghts and I will try to help
Oh and remember to keep the units the same ie mm and inches etc.

This link may be useful;http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?t=137313

Have fun.
Brendan
Ps I just re read the original article and see the author uses the term total capacity factor so I guess I have cheated somewhat with the scf business - sorry


I missed the bit on how you actualy get the required length of backing off the main spool.For example,if one needs 365.2 metres of backing how does one go about it and still keep it simpler than the method put foreward by myself?

[tenzing]

I missed the bit on how you actualy get the required length of backing off the main spool.For example,if one needs 365.2 metres of backing how does one go about it and still keep it simpler than the method put foreward by myself?

Yes, Then there's that I suppose.
Are you sure you'll want 365.2m? I'm sure you get the concept that I am referring to. I do it your way too, but if the maths gives you something close to a round number then you can use a small cheap spool in its entirety or pull it off at arms lengths or whatever. If it is not useful to you then I guess you dont really need to worry about it.
I spooled up two reels the other night without any dramas and it certainly worked out well for me and quick too.
just trying to be helpful
Brendan

[tenzing]

I missed the bit on how you actualy get the required length of backing off the main spool.For example,if one needs 365.2 metres of backing how does one go about it and still keep it simpler than the method put foreward by myself?

There are actually a few ways to measure the backing out. you can pace it out over a known distance and repeat that , a friend helps here. you can use a long yardstick type measure on the garage floor or whatever. How do they measure the rope/ chain/ cable off the drum when you buy it ?. anyway, these things need only be approximate of course.
Banshee, you might also have missed the part where my method involves tying the backing to the spool once and spooling up ,including joining to the braid, only once.
Compare that to your method where you tie on, spool up, despool (onto two different spools) deknot, retie , respool and re knot. I would have thought that the "simpler" part involves a fair time saving, once you know what length you need.

[banshee]

No need to puff the old feathers up matey, if you or anyone else thinks your way is easier and more accurate knock yourselves out,I know it takes me about fifteen minutes in the shop to top shot a TLD 25 from scratch my way (and a fraction of that if I'm doing smaller reels).

[tenzing]

No need to puff the old feathers up matey, if you or anyone else thinks your way is easier and more accurate knock yourselves out,I know it takes me about fifteen minutes in the shop to top shot a TLD 25 from scratch my way (and a fraction of that if I'm doing smaller reels).

Cheers Banshee, consider the feathers permanently unpuffed.
I always considered these interactions to be very good natured.
I consider this site to be such a valuable resource. I pick up something new almost every time I look at it. (that includes posts on this thread)
Hopefully a couple of the things I have picked up along the way are useful to others as well, and if not , no damage done.

Brendan