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boatboy50
31-07-2008, 10:23 PM
Hey Guys,

I'm getting conflicting stories from different websites.

Can anyone tell me the facts on towing weight allowed with these trucks?

2002 Navara Petrol
2002 Diesel

2003 Petrol
2003 diesel

2004 Petrol
2004 diesel

2005 petrol
2005 diesel

I need to legally tow 2.8 T, but have been told the 02/03/04 is only rated to 2T?

Was the 2.8T capacity introduced in 05 or is this bs?

My budget will be strecthed for an 05, and may even see me having to get an older Patrol, which I don't want.

Can anyone give me any advice on the Petrol variations of these cars also for towing purposes? What sort of economy can one expect?

Regards

Darren

Black_Rat
31-07-2008, 10:25 PM
My 2005 STR Dual Cab is rated at 2800kg. The 2005 DX Dual cab at 3000kg. earlier models i'm not sure.

John_R
01-08-2008, 05:50 AM
My 2004 ST-R Diesel was rated at 2800. It got drowned (and written off) in flash floods at Birdsville so I have just replaced it with a 2006 ST-R. It has the same tow rating as the 2004. It will be getting a snorkel.

I understood some of the earlier ones were rated to 3000 and they dropped it to 2800 at some point, obviously pre 2004.

When looking at the market for a used ST-R there was not a lot of price difference between 2004 and 2006 models.

chisel
01-08-2008, 02:57 PM
redbook says the 2003 ST-R was rated to 3000kgs.

boatboy50
01-08-2008, 03:15 PM
Thanks Guys,

A couple of websites told me all pre 05 had a rating of only 2T.

I now believe that to be a furfy, and have been told they are all rated to 3T pre 05, and 2.8T after that.

Maybe I should never veer away from the good old trusty Ausfish!

Regards

Darren

boatboy50
01-08-2008, 03:16 PM
Any differences between the Petrol and diesel ratings?

Lucky_Phill
01-08-2008, 05:25 PM
2002 diesel :-

http://www.redbook.com.au/used-cars/details.aspx?acv=0B6fBgqKigQ.&__Ns=p_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cp_ClassificationType_S tring%7c0%7c%7cp_Family_String%7c0%7c%7cp_Year_Str ing%7c1%7c%7cp_SequenceNum_Int32%7c0&__Nne=15&Cr=13&title=2002+Nissan+D22+MY2002+Navara+ST-R+&__N=0+4294947575+4294966706+4294965762&__sid=11B55F26A8BA&R=90463

2002 petrol

http://www.redbook.com.au/used-cars/details.aspx?__Nne=15&title=2002%20Nissan%20D22%20MY2002%20Navara%20ST-R%20&R=90461&__Ns=p_Make_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_ClassificationType_S tring%7C0%7C%7Cp_Family_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Year_Str ing%7C1%7C%7Cp_SequenceNum_Int32%7C0&__N=0+4294947575+4294966706+4294965762&__sid=11B55F26A8BA&Cr=11

note, petrol is 2Ton and diesel 3Ton

2007 petrol:-

http://www.redbook.com.au/used-cars/details.aspx?__Nne=15&title=2007%20Nissan%20D40%20Navara%20ST-X%20(Jan)&R=90943&__Ns=p_Make_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_ClassificationType_S tring%7C0%7C%7Cp_Family_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Year_Str ing%7C1%7C%7Cp_SequenceNum_Int32%7C0&__N=0+4294947575+4294966706+4294965584&__sid=11B55F26A8BA&Cr=0

2007 diesel:-
http://www.redbook.com.au/used-cars/details.aspx?__Nne=15&title=2007%20Nissan%20D40%20Navara%20RX%20(Jan)&R=90947&__Ns=p_Make_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_ClassificationType_S tring%7C0%7C%7Cp_Family_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Year_Str ing%7C1%7C%7Cp_SequenceNum_Int32%7C0&__N=0+4294947575+4294966706+4294965584&__sid=11B55F26A8BA&Cr=4

note again, petrol 2Ton.... diesel 3ton.

2008..... petrol is 2Ton diesel 3 ton.

Hope that answers most of your questions.


Phill

Lucky_Phill
01-08-2008, 05:27 PM
John -R

link here says 2004 str diesel rated at 3000kgs..

http://www.redbook.com.au/used-cars/details.aspx?__Nne=15&title=2004%20Nissan%20D22%20MY2003%20Navara%20DX%2 0&R=90634&__Ns=p_Make_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_ClassificationType_S tring%7C0%7C%7Cp_Family_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Year_Str ing%7C1%7C%7Cp_SequenceNum_Int32%7C0&__N=0+4294947575+4294966706+4294965702&__sid=11B55F26A8BA&Cr=14

Lucky_Phill
01-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Then I get this:-


http://www.nissan.com.au/navarad22/images/v_4x4-STR_ph.gif

http://www.nissan.com.au/navarad22/images/select_dualcab.gif http://www.nissan.com.au/images/g_arrow.gif4x4 ST-R (http://www.nissan.com.au/navarad22/msummary_4x4_str.asp)
http://www.nissan.com.au/navarad22/images/select_singlecab.gif
http://www.nissan.com.au/images/g_arrow.gif4x2 DX (http://www.nissan.com.au/navarad22/msummary_4x2_dx.asp)
http://www.nissan.com.au/images/g_arrow.gif4x4 DX (http://www.nissan.com.au/navarad22/msummary_4x4_dx.asp)


2.5 litre common-rail turbo diesel engine
5-speed manual transmission
Driver and passenger SRS airbags
Limited Slip Differential (LSD)
Anti-lock Braking System (ABS)
Front bucket seats
Air-conditioning
Chrome power mirrors
Power windows
CD player with MP3/WMA compatibility and AM/FM radio
16" alloy wheels
Alloy sports bar and side steps
Body coloured front bumper and overfenders
Chrome rear bumper
Chrome grille surround
2,800kg towing capacity (trailer with brakes)
3 Year/100,000 km warranty
3 Year 24-Hour Roadside Assistancefrom Nissan website.....................???????????????????

Lucky_Phill
01-08-2008, 05:31 PM
and the same vehicle on Redbook:-
erb Weight (kg)1823 Tare Mass (kg)1765 Gross Combination Mass (kg)5360 Gross Vehicle Mass (kg)2860 Pay Load (kg)1037 Towing Braked (kg)2500 Towing Not Braked (kg)750 Wheel Base (mm)2950 Length (mm)5080 Width (mm)1825 Height (mm)1725 Track Front (mm)1525 Track Rear (mm)1505

I give in ??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lucky_Phill
01-08-2008, 05:33 PM
OR


http://nissan.com.au/specpdf/NAD00155F_A4specs_20Mar08.pdf

boatboy50
01-08-2008, 06:59 PM
Hey Phil,

Thank you immensely for your research.

Redbook is the website that stuffed me up.

Some other websites tell me 3T, people tell me 3T, and the vehicle i'm looking at has a 3T towbar. I havn't looked myself, but apparently nowhere in the owners manual does it actually say a towing capacity.

I can't grab it till i'm 100% certain.

Thanks again,

Darren

Lucky_Phill
01-08-2008, 07:38 PM
I am sure the 2002 is 3 ton for the diesel. Mine has the 3 ton tow bar.

I am now unsure about the capacity, but maybe with the 2.5 common rail motors, they reduced the capacity. ?

Mind you, be AWARE, that towing in 5th gear is NOT recommended. 5th is an overdrive and therefore will suffer ( input shaft ) " loading "..... " stress ".

Tow ok on flat ground but I would recommend once you get down to 2500 rpm in 5th, go back to 4th.

Only real way to check is email a dealer....... ?


phill

snatch
01-08-2008, 09:42 PM
My o4' dx navara 3.0 ltr diesel was rated at 3 tonnes. They later dropped it to 2.8 tonnes. Some of the 04 models were putting conrods through the blocks and I believe this had something to do with the drop in tow weight.

When looking at a second hand navara, get the compliance details off the plate and call nissan. They will tell you what it can tow. The dx and stx (d22) navaras now have the common rail 2.5 ltr diesel fitted (Same motor as the d40 or larger model) . This was due to euro emissions and not any particular mechanical issues. Hope this helps.

snatch
01-08-2008, 09:45 PM
As a footnote, it should be added that nissan's tow ratings only apply with genuine nissan towbars fitted. Beware of aftermarket equipment when buying second hand. It will void your towing capacity and your insurance if it doesn't meet nissans requirements!

Lucky_Phill
02-08-2008, 07:42 AM
Darren,

In respect to all of the above, if I were in your position, I would not be looking at a vehicle that had a tow capacity of 3 ton ( or 2.8 ) to tow 2.8.

In all honesty I tow a 6.2mtr platey loaded and it runs in at just over 2 ton. My 2002 3.0TD dual cab diesel Nissan Navara " handles " it, but seriously, I'd be looking at a patrol or cruiser or rover. Just having that extra weight in the tow vehicle makes it feel a lot safer. And also a 4ltr plus engine, in my opinion, would make life easier.

I think that Rovers ( discos ) have a 4.5 ton tow ?????( they have a 2.5..... 5cyl engine )

Good luck with it all.

to add, I have a mate that has a patrol ( 05 )for sale. it is a wagon that has had the back cut off to make it into a dual cab with alloy tray. pm me for details, but needless to say it is at a good price, worth thinking about.

Phill

boatboy50
02-08-2008, 12:39 PM
Hey Phil,

Thanks for your honesty.

In my business I tow different boats and trailers of all sizes. Always locally, and I only tow my own stuff long distances, which is probably 4 times a year if that.

When I say I want to be able to tow 2.8T, I mean I want the ability to do it, not every week but when I need to, and I need to do it legally. I generally only have to haul stuff under 2.2T on a daily basis.

I've been through a Jackaroo, 100 series Cruiser, Pajero, and now i'm onto a Navara. The Lancruiser was great, but way over the top on fuel. I've now decided I want a tray back anyway, and that a wagon is not all that practical for my use.

Thanks again.

Darren

If you could Pm details of the Patrol ute that would be good, but 25k is the top of my budget. My guess is the Patrol will be over that, albeit an awesome rig.

boatboy50
02-08-2008, 04:16 PM
Hey Guys,

Does anyone know if there is any issues putting gas on a 3.3L V6 Petrol Navara?

Regards

Darren

Lucky_Phill
02-08-2008, 05:29 PM
pm sent Darren.


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John_R
02-08-2008, 06:19 PM
I see you sorted yourself out Phil. My boat would probably only be about 1600kg and I do tow in 5th with no dramas. I just make sure I change down if the revs are wanting to drop below 2000 (max torque), like on those hills around Nambour.

boatboy50
06-08-2008, 02:05 PM
Hey Guys,

Thanks for your input.

I phoned Nissan and they guaranteed me a 03 3.3L V6 can legally carry 3.0 tonne.

That's enough for me.

I am now the proud owner of an 03 Nissan Navara ST-R with tray back. It's a very clean truck, which checks out very well presentation, maintenance and mechanically wise.

Look forward to many happy times in it.

Regards

Darren

Lucky_Phill
06-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Another one for the Nissan club.... welcome aboard Darren :)

boatboy50
06-08-2008, 05:19 PM
Lol,

Thanks Phil.

I'm pretty happy, so will post some pics after i've washed it again.

Regards

Darren

snatch
06-08-2008, 05:37 PM
When will the hilux owners wake up?

SandStorm
14-08-2008, 11:41 PM
I had a new one 2004 reg 3000kg towing capacity in the UK the newer model is around 2200kg

If you want out and out towing vehicle you need a Landrover [I owned a 2003 TD5] or better still Patrol or Landcruiser

I currently own a Pathfinder 300okg towing capacity, ok but not a great towing car imo