Meaning of PE

[bj]

Could some one explain to me what PE stands for in relation to braid & what formula you use to convert to klo's if there is one eg in the Daiwa tournament catalogue PE 2/250 mtrs, PE 1.5/190 mtrs. Thank you.

[TonyM]

Hi bj

It's a Japanese standard which originates from measurements for the thickness of silk (I believe) and is nowadays used to describe the thickness of braid which is usually a high pic count (eg 8 strands). I might have bastardised that a bit, but that's roughly where it comes from :)

As far as I'm awaree a simple rule of thumb is multiply it by 10 and that's you're line weight.

e.g. PE1 = 10 lb
PE2 = 20lb
etc....

Cheers
Tony

[BtotheM]

sure is tony, for eg 0.6pe = 6lb line

[banshee]

PE stands for Pollyethelyne pure and simple,it's the name (PE) that Japs use for braid,the number following is the thickness rating which is standardised in their tackle industrie,for example you can get PE#2 that is braid in anything from around 20 to 35 pound.

[TonyM]

Here's a quote from a Japanese Tackle Store


"PE is a Japanese unit of measurement to ascertain certain silk thread thickness. This measurement have since been adopted to measure super lines. Same diameter line may have different ratings; i.e. YGK Power Hunter PE 6 is rated 66lb while YGK Ultra Jigman 8X PE 6 is rated at 86lb. That is the difference between different grade of PE lines; different materials or manufacturing process for different models. This line you will notice is much less than the ultra series, so if you are looking for a line that is not as expensive this line is for you."I got this quote from http://www.tsurishopjapan.com/product_info.php?products_id=127

Hope this helps clarify!

Cheers
Tony

[NAGG]

Interesting

I just thought it was PE 1 = 10lb PE 3 = 30lb etc ( ballpark)

I guess as we all know most braids break all over the place + 20 , 30 , 60 %


Nagg

[banshee]

Here's a quote from a Japanese Tackle Store

I got this quote from http://www.tsurishopjapan.com/product_info.php?products_id=127

Hope this helps clarify!

Cheers
Tony

I followed the link and have to say I found it a little contradicting and confuseing.
The first line reads 'With PE lines you know exactly where your jig is and where you want your jig to be.Go straight to where the fish are holding.' This (to me) would imply that only coulor coded lines come under the lable of PE.Likewise the last statement '8 strand PE that is compact and round yet soft' implies (once again to me) that they are refering to a type of line rather than a thickness.
I also note that in the Sunline data/spec catalog line thickness is designated by # followed by a number with no reference to PE.All mono is given it's title followed by size #1etc,Flurocarbon is a bit different with some given a title followed by # and a number while others a re given the prefix of FC followed by # and a size number,it's not untill you get into the braided (polly ethelyne) lines that the prefix of PE appears.
A bit of research shows that the Japanese plastics industry refers to polly ethelyne as PE exclusively there is no reference made to Spectra or Dyneema at all.

[TonyM]

I hear you Banshee!

I've seen a lot of contradiction and different standards when it comes to talking about braided lines, and confusion about "PE" lines (which isn't necessarily a type of line but a unit of measurement) seems to be right up there.

Also a lot of acronyms are used for more than one purpose, which is what appears to be the case with polyethelyne and P.E as a unit of measurement (and now it seems deemed a "brand" attached to certain lines) obviously we English speakers don't have the market cornered when it comes to butchering our language :D

The link I gave certainly isn't the best reference site I'm sure - just the best one I could find with a quick google.

I guess that's the great thing about "standards" - there's so many of them that it's hard to keep up sometimes ;D

Cheers
Tony

[kevvie]

Thanks guys...like Nagg i was under the impression the PE is a standard braking strength not line thickness...

After knowing that i reckon its a better way to gauge. As most know the braking strains brake well over the actual rating(for most anyway) so line thickness may give a more acurate reading.

Cheers for the enlightening:)

[Jungle Jim]

in regards to in the information being confusing........ a lot gets lost in translation from japanese to english.... its all open to interpretation but im sure they are doing the best they can

On acertain japanese retailers site i have seen
rongodistantso (long distance)
suupahaipadeegee giya (super hyper digi gear)
dorug or drug (drag) simple once you've seen it a few times but man did it have me scratching my head


talk about read between the lines..

jim

[TonyM]

I agree Jim.

After all we're only human - Besides, the Chinese take the cake in that dept. ;D

I'd hate to see what any attempt I might make to translate anything into Japanese would come out as! :-/

Cheers
Tony

[NAGG]

Bloody Japanese ....... just trying to confuse me ::) & its working:(

Nagg

[plaztix]

Just to make it more confusing, Sunlines new Rock PE 8lb is .4 pe.::)

[NAGG]

Just to make it more confusing, Sunlines new Rock PE 8lb is .4 pe.::)

Check out the Daiwa range ...... A huge difference between TD Sensor 30lb=PE4 & PE Braid PE4=40lb
Now compare Jigman PE Braid PE4 = 62lb
I GIVE UP!!!! :2vrolijk_08:

[bj]

Thanks everyone for your replies, now I have an idea of what it all means. Thanks once again.

[Tim_N]

I'm glad you've got it worked out bj, 'cause I'm more confused than ever.
Tim

[plaztix]

Check out the Daiwa range ...... A huge difference between TD Sensor 30lb=PE4 & PE Braid PE4=40lb
Now compare Jigman PE Braid PE4 = 62lb
I GIVE UP!!!! :2vrolijk_08:

I guess that the difference pretty much tells you which braids are the better quality ones. (assuming smaller diameter actually means better quality)

As far as i have always understood, pe relates to diameter only. The pe1 = 10lb conversion is a guide based on average quality line.

Better quality braids are thinner for their respective strength ratings so are lower pe but this is where it can get confusing because some companies rate there lines as 'tested' (castaway, jigman etc.) and others are much more conservative (fireline, finns etc.).::)

OK the TD sensor is pe4 that is rated to 30lb. So it is either very thick for its rated strength (not good) or is maybe a conservatively rated line (like fireline) its actual breaking strain is probably more like 40 or 50lb.

On the other end of the scale you have Jigman which is also pe4 but is rated to 62lb, this obviously a better quality line and is most likely rated at its tested breaking strain.

Making some sense or am i talking japanese;D

[MattChew]

It is probably just as simple as a Micron Rating System similarly found in wool fibres ... just a stab in the dark, and no I'm not from NZ.

Ta
Matt

[NAGG]

I guess that the difference pretty much tells you which braids are the better quality ones. (assuming smaller diameter actually means better quality)

As far as i have always understood, pe relates to diameter only. The pe1 = 10lb conversion is a guide based on average quality line.

Better quality braids are thinner for their respective strength ratings so are lower pe but this is where it can get confusing because some companies rate there lines as 'tested' (castaway, jigman etc.) and others are much more conservative (fireline, finns etc.).::)

OK the TD sensor is pe4 that is rated to 30lb. So it is either very thick for its rated strength (not good) or is maybe a conservatively rated line (like fireline) its actual breaking strain is probably more like 40 or 50lb.

On the other end of the scale you have Jigman which is also pe4 but is rated to 62lb, this obviously a better quality line and is most likely rated at its tested breaking strain.

Making some sense or am i talking japanese;D

Actually ..... TD Sensor is a high quality ...... & controlled braid ( It breaks at or just below the stated breaking strain) ....... So you can use it when claiming line class records without to much fear of failing any test!
& I'm still confused ........ Whiplash would be the thinnest braid I know of ..... for any given poundage ............ but I wouldn't consider it in my top 5 braids
Hell .... my head's starting to hurt::)

Cheers

nagg

[aussiebasser]

It depends on what your want you braid for. For barra fishing you need abrasion resistance, so go for Bionic. For offshore deepwater jigging go for a thinner braid like Daiwa PE. For trolling deep lures, go for a small diametre to get extra depth, fireline in the lighter sizes excels here, or 8lb bionic if you can find it. The thinner braids are very unforgiving when you snag up. PE rating is a diametre rating, not a breaking strain. My new Smith baitcaster is rated to PE10-12 which is about 100lb.

[leelee]

Originally when PE was first sold to consumers it was used in the same format as PE1, PE2 etc. That was translated to 10lb or 20lb and always referred to breaking strain. I still have a heap of spools from buying PE braid many years ago.

Now days new technology and tackle marketing has changed and the PE reference can now refer to either breaking strain or diameter.

Realistically take this with a grain of salt, as when it refers to diameter it is advising to the consumer that they produce a braid that is very thin or thick for its breaking strain. Now here is where tackle marketing comes into play and since there is no international standard for line thickness, who decides if a lines diameter is actually thin or thick for its breaking strain?

Consumers should be looking at the advertised breaking strain because that is the most important factor when choosing a new line. Most of the top rods these days are printing rod ratings in PE. This rating is based around breaking strains (and jig weights are mentioned) not around diameter, so be careful when purchasing new PE.

All in all when PE is referred to as a diameter, it is a marketing strategy and nothing more and is simply a way that a company can advertise how strong its super thin line really is.


Cheers

Lee

[banshee]

Can anyone post up some links (apart from the one that already exists) that state that PE is in fact a guage for thickness.All the looking I've done leans towards what I originally thought that the standard for japanese lines is simply a standard measured as follows #1 #2 etc.The only in depth info that I can lay my hands on is from Sunline and out of an aproximate 50 products none carry the prefix of PE bar the braids eg 'Machinegun Cast #3 12lbs (no PE#),Defier #4 17lbs and the list goes on untill you get to braid then the PE #'s start.The following link is also worth a read especialy the second (I think ) parragraph after the first table.
http://www.japantackle.com/Topics/japanese_silk.htm
And another one that would seem to indicate (to me) that PE is Poly Ethelyne.
http://www.japantackle.com/Topics/PE_braided_lines.htm

[Outsider1]

Here are some links that suggest that the PE rating refers to the diameter of the braid;

http://fishwrecked.com/node/10054

http://www.westernangler.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=242

Cheers

Dave

[banshee]

Here are some links that suggest that the PE rating refers to the diameter of the braid;

http://fishwrecked.com/node/10054

http://www.westernangler.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=242

Cheers

Dave

OK....Second link,10 parragraph down......exactly what I understand the situation to be.

[leelee]

I’m still not satisfied that the manufacturers on PE rate their line on diameter.

For example take top shelf jigging rods. They state 500g jig weight are recommended use and that’s pretty easy to follow. Now most mention a PE rating to use. So when they mention PE6-8 the line you could use would be anything from 60lb up to 110lb. Now that’s a massive difference based on the assumption of PE= diameter of line.

Cheers

Lee