Help with Suzuki DF140 engine interface

[BlackArrow]

Need assistance.
I have a new Suzuki DF 140 that I want to connect a Suzuki engine interface to my Lowrance LCX 27C.

I had a Suzuki 115 that I had the interface connected to and it worked fine with the LCX27C. I got the K8 adapter to connect it to the 140 but it wont work.

Would appreciate advice

regards

Blackarrow

[Taroona]

n't help you, but you might find some help on a US site "the hull truth"

[honda900]

how have you connected the adaptor?

I finally have my adaptor but was given the wrong advise and now have to wait for an extension cable ::) .

But I spoke through my dealer to suzuki on Wednesday and this is how the connection should work.


On top of the electrical box on the left hand side of the engine (passenger side), there is a small square connection plug. this is where the conversion cable should be connected.

then connect the ep20 into the round socket on the conversion cable, then the EP20 gets plugged into a t connector, which is connected to your nmea 2000 backbone cable.

Make sure that both ends of the backbone have a terminator on them. when I get some time later today I will post a couple of photos.

regards
Honda.

[honda900]

Now Im getting sick of this,

I have waited weeks for the conversion plug to arrive now it has the wrong connection on it. >:(

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/honda900_uw/EngineInterfaceconnector.jpg


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/honda900_uw/ep20_Conversionplug.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/honda900_uw/IntefaceLocation.jpg



Honda

[skipalong]

what will this interface get you on your gps i have a 7200c what kind of data will i get, where do you get it from and how much for a 2007 140 suzuki thanks,

[honda900]

skipalong,

Engine Trim
Engine RPM
Alternator Volts
Fuel Rate (gallons per hr) in real time
Fuel used total ( 1 or 2 tank capabilities)
Fuel Used Trip
Intake Air Temp
Cyl. Temp
Manifold Pressure
Enginne Barometric Pressure
Engine Hrs(total on motor)


http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=1506960#post1506960

Regards
HOnda

[skipalong]

are these available in australia yet? where from suzuki or lowrance

[BlackArrow]

Honda 900 don't dispair, I've got mine working. I will need to take some photos tomorrow to explain it easily and when I work out how to put the phots on here I will give you the instructions.
Mine works a treat.
regards
Blackarrow

[honda900]

Skipalong,

Last time I checked with the dealer these converters were still not available in australia, I ordered my from the states, however I do know that trymax marine are due to get some in next week.

Regards
HOnda

[BlackArrow]

Honda 900

I am having trouble uploading the file to this forum do you want to send me your email address and I will forward to you.

my email is

ewlr@internode.on.net

regards BlackArrow

[BlackArrow]

Honda900


Here are the instructions – read them in conjunction with the photos below


990C0-88011
Suzuki Modular Instrument System Engine Interface
Suzuki DF40 thru DF300 Engine Interface
Price: USD$104.95





990C0-88035
SMIS Adapter Harness
Allows connection to 2008 & newer DF40 thru DF250 outboards
Price: USD$26.20

Above available from Browns Point Marine Service
1703 Hwy 35 South
Laurence Harbor, NJ 08879 USA

http://store.brownspoint.com/suzuki_page_31.asp (http://store.brownspoint.com/suzuki_page_31.asp)




1. Unplug the black connector and replace it with the grey connector put the black rubber cover over the black connector and replace were grey connector was mounted.





2 & 3. Behind the Tacho are 2 white plugs unplug the square one and replace it with the SMIS adapter plug.







4. These are the readouts taken from a Suzuki DF140


I have not bothered to hook up the trim indicator and I haven’t looked for the connector but it would be nearby the gauges/control box.

There is one disadvantage to connecting the interface that is that the red indicator warning lights on the Tacho will not work, the audible warnings are still there.

I am going to make a bridge wire so the warning lights will work.

My fuel management is accurate to 3 litres without changing the calibration I hope to get it spot on after a while. Trouble is you have to measure the fuel out because you can’t rely on the fuel pumps calibration which probably works well within the fuel company’s favour.

If you require further assistance contact me.


Regards

BlackArrow

[Xtreme]

Skipalong,

The kits are available now in Australia from Navico, the challenge is finding a dealer that actually knows about them.

Graham Barklay Marine in Forster, NSW helped me out with getting the cable for my DF140, mine is a K7 version. If you contact Haines Group Service Dept, they can confirm whether you need a K7 or K8 cable as some of the late 2007 motors actual have the smaller K8 plug.

Any Lowrance dealer with a clever tech guy should be able to help.

Steve.

PS - Anyone know how / what tricks I need to get the trim guage working on a K7?? Circuit OK through the trip switch so am thinking I need a bridge to power it up but neither Haines nor Navico have any idea's??

[honda900]

Blackarrow,


Thats the way George explained it to me as well, I am concerned about the disconnection of the warning lamps in the dash as these are the only way you can tell if you have a problem.

I spoke to my dealer thursday who rang suzuki, Suzuki advised that I should be able to plug the cable directly into the grey connector therefore getting both sets of data in parrallel, one to the tacho lamps and one to the nmea network.

Question will suzuki still honour a warranty claim in this configuration? with the warning lamps disabled.

Thanks for the photos, the black connector was the peice of the puzzle that I didnt understand.

Does anyone know what the 4 pin grey connector is called? want to see if I can a converter or replacement male plug.

Regards
Honda.

[Shanoss]

Blackarrow,


Thats the way George explained it to me as well, I am concerned about the disconnection of the warning lamps in the dash as these are the only way you can tell if you have a problem.

I spoke to my dealer thursday who rang suzuki, Suzuki advised that I should be able to plug the cable directly into the grey connector therefore getting both sets of data in parrallel, one to the tacho lamps and one to the nmea network.

Question will suzuki still honour a warranty claim in this configuration? with the warning lamps disabled.

Thanks for the photos, the black connector was the peice of the puzzle that I didnt understand.

Does anyone know what the 4 pin grey connector is called? want to see if I can a converter or replacement male plug.

Regards
Honda.

Are you sure your warning lights are disabled? Mine all work. It should not affect the guages at all as the NMEA cable is plugged into you diagnostic port. The only guage you will lose is the trim guage if you decide to run it through the interface. And are you sure you get cylinder temps etc...?

[honda900]

I spoke to suzuki Australia yesterday, to get some clarification on the procedure.

they advised that when you disconnect the black cable at the engine you disable the warning lights in the Tacho, which can have a direct impact to your warranty.

They have been advising people to cut off the end of the interface adaptor cable and replace it with a male fitting, called a doitz plug?? not sure on this but was advised that it is a standard yamaha spare part. ::)

Once the plug is fitted the cable can be plugged directly into the grey connector on the fuse box and plugged into the NMEA network, giving you both sets of data in parrallel.

The americans are having the same problem;

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=177308&posts=15

Will visit a Yam dealer today to sort out if I can get the male plug.

Regards
HOnda

[BlackArrow]

Honda99/ Shanoss

The warning lights are definately disabled if its hooked up the way I explained above. The trouble is that I have not found either a Suzuki or Lowrance dealer or tech that knows what they are talking about in Australia. I had to ring the States to find out where the connections were on my new Suzuki 140, Its a bit sad when Suzuki Australia and Lowrance Australia can not advise you seeing that Lowrance make the cables for Suzuki.

Like you I am not happy running without warning lights and honda 99 your Suzuki dealer does not now what he is talking about because its a bit hard to plug a male to male plug.

What I have done is gone to my Suzuki dealer and got a female 4 pin plug (the same as the black one in the photo above) off an old wiring loom (there are about 4 per loom leave plenty of wire attached to the plug) and 5 metres of 3 core wire. I have soldered the 3 wires to the plug and hooked it into the grey plug and reconnected the black plug for the warning lights. Not quite finished yet but I intend to run the 3 core wire to the rear of my instrument panel and solder it onto the SMIS wire loom. That way the enginge interface is completely seperate to the warning lights.

The Trim guage connection is behind the trim gauage you have to disconnect the trimk guage and plug in te interface cable.

The 4 pin grey connector is called SMIS Adapter Harness the Suzuki part No. is 990C0-88035 they are also called a K8 adapter.

I will give you an update when I complete the job tonight.
I have attached some photos of the SMIS and Interface wireing looms.


regards


BlackArrow

[Taroona]

Have a read of the attached post it may help as there have problems in the uS as well

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=192687&posts=2

[honda900]

Blackarrow,

thanks for the update,

It was my assumption that the plug is female, the suzi guy only made mention of the plug being the same on both the cable and the interface connector.

Couldnt get one from the yammi dealer. will try another tommorrow.

Regards
Honda

[BlackArrow]

Ok the jobs finished and all the warning lights work and so does the engine interface readouts.

This is how to do it



Purchase enough 3 core marine grade electrical cable to go from the motor to the rear of the consol guages (in my case 5 metres),
went to my friendly Suzuki dealer (Yamaha have the same plugs) and obtained 2 female 4 pin plugs that he cut off old wiring looms.(the same as the black plug on the engine) Make sure they leave plenty of wire attached to the plug.
Correctly soldered the plugs onto either end.
Plug one into the grey connector on the motor and the other into the SMIS adapter.I also intend to obtain a 2 pin Trim plug (same as te existing plug from an old wiring loom)and solder it into the Trim loom near the existing Trim plug that will give me the guage and the digital readout.

I asked our local Yamaha dealer about getting new plugs and he advised that they only came attached to wiring looms.

Have fun, good fishing

regards

BlackArrow

[Xtreme]

Ok the jobs finished and all the warning lights work and so does the engine interface readouts.

This is how to do it


Purchase enough 3 core marine grade electrical cable to go from the motor to the rear of the consol guages (in my case 5 metres),
went to my friendly Suzuki dealer (Yamaha have the same plugs) and obtained 2 female 4 pin plugs that he cut off old wiring looms.(the same as the black plug on the engine) Make sure they leave plenty of wire attached to the plug.
Correctly soldered the plugs onto either end.
Plug one into the grey connector on the motor and the other into the SMIS adapter.I also intend to obtain a 2 pin Trim plug (same as te existing plug from an old wiring loom)and solder it into the Trim loom near the existing Trim plug that will give me the guage and the digital readout.

I asked our local Yamaha dealer about getting new plugs and he advised that they only came attached to wiring looms.

Have fun, good fishing

regards

BlackArrow


Blackarrow,

I am having trouble getting my K7 engines trim guage working on the NMEA network. Did you have to send any power feeds to the trim plug at the sender or have you just plugged it into the NMEA cable to get it working.

Also, mine, being the K7 simply plugs in under the cowl on the starbord side and all worked (minus the trim guauge??) but for anyone having truoble with K8's, PM me and I'll email you Suzuki's Service Bulletins that include schematics etc.

From what I see, all of the connections for K8 engines to NMEA networks take place at the helm end of the harnesses and there are no requirements for anything more than connecting the "helm to engine" harness into the SDS port under the cowling, which in turn brings all engine data up via the existing harness. At least that's what Suzuki's literature is telling me in the schematics.

Seems that this will disable the existing guage set and rely on the SMIS / LMF-400 as the alarm for engine issues.

To Honda 900, the Deitz plug is a water proof system that many manufacturers use to terminate their harnesses, if you know a good marine or auto electrician, they should have a similar system. Caterpillar also do one if you know any of their technicians.

Good luck...

[honda900]

Ok,

so what I can add,

Found a yamaha dealer in capalaba who knew what the cable was, :o Yamaha does use the Deitz conectors and has a a harness kit that you can get the plug from, however the dealer has to buy in the whole kit. :-[ Yam harnesses do use the same plug, @ around $70 for the harness.

My plan is, get a Deitz plug, I dont really like the idea of cutting off one of the connectors at the engine, dont mind chopping up the adaptor but not in the engine bay. I purchased a 25 foot extension cable so I will extend the lowrance network to the back of my boat, tpiece and terminator, straight to the interface cable. should do the trick.

By the way buy the extension from america, $20.69 australia 128.00, how the hell does that work with $30 freight, arrives in 5 days.

;)

have rung 4 autoelectricians 3 havent heard of them and one doesnt have one..
Regards
HOnda

[Xtreme]

Honda,

Regarding the Deitz Plugs, they are very commonly used in Mining applications but it doesn't surprise me that garden variety Auto Elec's don't know of them due to the expense.

Regarding the whole project, it seems a lot of work and compromise on your behalf because Suzuki may have sent the wrong cable???

The following is an extract from Suzuki's Engineering Bulliten that suggests the K8 engines require no additional wiring or special work to be done other than the K8 adaptor plug. It really needs the photo's which I can't copy from the PDF file I have but I highlighted the key text bold for you.

Maybe the problem is that the wrong plugs are being supplied??

"Prep Plus Bulletin

Marine Division Boat Builder Bulletin
Bulletin No. 004
August 15, 2007


The 2008 engine model SDS communication connectors have been changed from an 8 pin
round housing to a 4 pin square housing. Many of you may have noticed the new SDS version 5.0 came with the new style housing and an adapter to connect to 2007 & earlier engine models.

If the SMIS serial bus style gauges are used on DF40 thru DF250 engines it will be necessary to use a harness adapter to convert the existing engine interface connector to the new SDS communication housing. The 2008 SMIS interface adapter is now available and can be
ordered using part number 990C0-88035.

When the new serial bus style gauges are used on DF40 thru DF250 engines, the factory has incorporated the ability to use the existing harness monitor gauge wiring to make the connections at the instrument panel instead of routing a backbone cable to the engine.

At the ECM, there are now gauge connectors A & B (see below). The standard connection sends the signal from the ECM to the monitor warning gauge at the instrument panel. By separating connectors A & B and inserting the SDS communication connector into connector A, you can connect the gauge interface into the 4 pin housing originally designated for the monitor
gauge.

ECMECM
Standard factory connection Connection for digital gauges
SDS Connector
Connectors A & B A
B When using the serial bus
gauges, connector “A” should
be moved to connect with the
SDS connector.
If you have any questions, please contact your Sales Application Engineer.


Hope this helps as I'd be as concerned as you about cutting plugs off and soldering.

Good luck and hope it may help avert you needing to cut plugs etc.. I can email you the various Suzuki bulletins if you want the pictures etc. Just PM me your email,

Steve

Looks like my problem was a crook trim sender so I am all going now on the '07.

[BlackArrow]

Honda900

you don't have to cut any plugs off. I can asure you that the way I last explained how I did it is the easiest way. Your friendly Suzuki dealer or wreckers will have the identical plugs on old wiring looms to make up the new cable and its much cheaper it costs me $15 for the wire and about 15 minutes to make up.

Regarding the trim I am unable to get mine to work I have read on a yank site that an update is needed, so I will get onto Lowrance on Monday and get it and will let you know how I go.

regards

Blackarrow

[honda900]

BlackArrow,

yep, understand the way you did it,

you were lucky to get the wiring harness from your dealer; so far I have tried,

6 boat yards,
4 autoparts places
2 marine electronics specialists
4 auto electricians
3 electronics specialist shops
Haines themselves.

so as you can see, its not lack of trying to find the right connection, my dealer has recommended cutting off the plug as well as suzuki and a yam dealer, so this week in for a service I will have the dealer do it to ensure my warranty remains in tact.

Take 2,

Yep a lot of time and trouble from LEI having put the wrong connector on the cable.

Regards
Honda

[Xtreme]

Cheers Honda,

Good luck, sounds like you are close anyway and much wiser for your patients.

[BlackArrow]

Honda900

I did not think the connectors would be that hard to get off old wiring harness as there are about four plugs to each harness. Getting the Suzuki dealer to change the plugs will ensure your warranty. Just check before cutting the plug that it is not the same one that they hook up to their service computer.
Yes LEI certainly got it wrong a female plug on both ends of the cable would have saved a lot of stuffing around.

Hope you sort it out

regards

BlackArrow

[skipalong]

thanks guys i got a hold of the harness in australia for $128 just need the adaptor now

[honda900]

skipalong,

Trymax have some in stock.

Regards
Honda

[skipalong]

hey mate where is trymax located

[honda900]

Capalaba, Brisbane.

Regards
Honda

[skipalong]

cheers mate do you have an address

[BlackArrow]

I have just found out from Lowrance that the only way to have a trim readout on a NMEA Lowrance Sounder/GPS is to connect the white 4 pin male plug into the black female near the starter motor on a Suzuki 140. While this gives you all the digital guages and trim it disconnects the warning lights on the Tacho.

As I described in a previous thread I ran a 3 core wire from the motor to the guages that way I have everything except the trim readout including the warning lights.

I am not prepared to jepodise my 5 warranty for a digital trim readout that's already on a guage.

LEI really got this wiring setup wrong.

Good luck

BlackArrow

[honda900]

cheers mate do you have an address


trymax.com.au

Location:
4/1440 New Cleveland Rd,
Capalaba QLD 4157 Australia

Mobile:
0417 761 821Phone:
(07) 3245 3633

Fax:
(07) 3823 4099


Regards
HOnda

[skipalong]

cheers mate thanks for you help

[Xtreme]

Honda / Blackarrow,

Guys, have spent today sorting the bugs on my system and have finally resolved it all 100%. Specifically the "-1" signal on the Trim guage on the LMF-400 and the Lowrance sounder display.

Bare with me as I know you don't run the SMIS / LMF-400 and are looking at K8 engines so this post doesn't solve your alarm issue but should resolve getting engine trim working without disabling your existing alarms. I am sure also that many are reading this thread trying to find a solution for the "-1" reading on their sounder / LMF-400 / SMIS 4 in 1 guage so here goes.

Suzuki told me yesterday that the ONLY way to get a SMIS / LMF-400 working and have tilt and trim was to buy the analogue trim guage. Navico Australia assured me it's not the case but couldn't solve it either but here is what I did.

Not convinced I worked through the following sequence.

Connected the trim guage to the Suzuki NMEA cable by disconnecting the standard harness plug from the sender that normally feeds the OEM trim guage. On the '07 engines this has to be done at the front (Bow end) of the engine towards the bottom.

Using the sounder (LMS 520C) key the following sequence:

a) Menu,Menu to access the "networking" menu, highlight and press "enter"
b) Select "Bus set up" and press "enter"
c) Select "Suzuki Engine" and pres "enter"
d) Select "Advanced", and press "enter"
e) Select "Restore defaults" and press "enter"
f) Select "reset Trim" and press "enter"
g) Select "Calibrate" and press "enter"
h) Follow the trim calibration prompts to the end.
i) Once the final trim is set TURN THE SOUNDER OFF

Your trim reading should now run between 0 and 100% on the LMF-400 &/or the sounder custom guage display.

For LMF 400 / SMIS owners this cannot be done at the LMF / SMIS head unit for whatever reason and has to be done from the Sounder menus.

Please note that the "Restore defaults" command resets any fuel data etc.

It worked for me and it's pretty clear that no many of the "experts" have worked it out yet so may be worth a try before you install analogue trim guages or not get the benefit of the feature you have paid for.

Cheers, Steve

[honda900]

Just an update,

Well I finally have it the wiring all done, My dealer ended up getting the connector from the Yammi dealer that I spoke to, ;D $20.00, anyway.

By the way the connector is used as the service port for the engine so not a good idea to cut it off. Also the connector is not a deitz plug, the although looks like a deitz connections internally are pretty different after having a look at one.

The connector is from a yamaha gauge wiring harness for those trying to get one.

So now all attached my sounder wont find the unit allthough is connected correctly, I have validated this with Lowrance to find that my unit X107CDF requires a firmware update.::)

Not available off the website so Navico got it for me from the states. Next problem cant apply the update as my sounder does not have a SD Card slot, so I need to get another unit on the same network to apply the update. :-[

Trymax cant do it (and showed no interested in doing it), so will have to send it to Navico to get it done.

Attached is the diagram of How I did it.

Regards
Honda