View Full Version : Mono padding under Braid..?
PNG1M
03-01-2008, 02:43 AM
Can someone please settle this once and for all? I am using a Shimano Calcutta CT400 with 100% Dyneema YGK 44lb PE braided line (from Japan) and yes, it's mostly for fishing in PNG for barra & black bass. I'm due to re-spool with a new lot of 8 strand braided line and would like to know for sure - yes OR no - whether to put 20m or so of 15-20lb mono directly onto the spool of the reel before winding on the braided dyneema line. Rumour has it that this underneath layer of mono will act like a shock absorber and help the braid to take up the pressure from a locked up drag. Is this true? Or should I just wind the braid on straight from the start without any mono backing? Any ideas on this..?
Thanx: PNG1metreclub
The theory is to use mono or a bit of tape around the spool so the is something for the braid to grip, this is to stop it slipping around the shinny spool as there is no stretch in the braid to bring it up tight. This is if you are going to get spooled which is 'highly' unlikely chasing Black Bass:o .
The CT400 will take about 350m of PE4 anyway so you will need about 5m of 30lb or 7m of 20lb line to fill your spool to maximum if filling from a 300m spool of braid.
;D
Leighton
03-01-2008, 07:46 AM
GPD hit the nail on the head
banshee
03-01-2008, 07:39 PM
If the reel comes with a lug on the spool to tie off to you wont need any backing, providing you are rich enough to fill the reel with braid,if it's got an arbor that has no lug you would be well advised to put some backing,five to ten feet minimum of line roughly the same diameter as the braid you are useing.
Bud-dy
03-01-2008, 10:29 PM
I put mono under my braid because most braids absorb water and therefore if you have braid only on the spool water is sitting directly on the spool whereas if you put a bit of mono ( which doesn't absorb water ) on first then the water won't sit on spool causing no rust or powdering of alloys.
Paul
artesian
03-01-2008, 10:46 PM
never bothered with mono backing unless I am too mean to buy enough braid, and have not had any slippage problems on various ABU, Shimano and Penn overheads or baitcasters, and various shimano, daiwa and penn threadies. Some have waffled spools, some have smooth spools, and some have a few lines cast into them. Braid ranges from whiplash and fireline to mid quality Daiwa- fused and braided.
If it is put on tight enough to prevent the line biting in, the line load will not turn on the spool - in saying that, I've never come close to being spooled, so let me know what happens when you get down to three turns on the spool :-)
Re corrosion - I use either lanotec or Inox, whichever is handy - I have been given an old seascape major that had a corroded spool and the corrosion was wherever the line touched the spool, not just down near the 'hub'
artesian
03-01-2008, 10:48 PM
oops, should have said that if you are after a bit of stretch, I'd aim for it down near the lure, and maybe one of the twisted leader systems could be the go for you?
TheRealAndy
04-01-2008, 06:51 PM
The theory is to use mono or a bit of tape around the spool so the is something for the braid to grip, this is to stop it slipping around the shinny spool as there is no stretch in the braid to bring it up tight. This is if you are going to get spooled which is 'highly' unlikely chasing Black Bass:o .
The CT400 will take about 350m of PE4 anyway so you will need about 5m of 30lb or 7m of 20lb line to fill your spool to maximum if filling from a 300m spool of braid.
;D
Spot on. I have two SP rods, one backed with mono and one straight braid. Sometimes the one with straight braid will slip if it gets wet, even when its not spooled. The one backed with mono never slips. The former is a sienna and the other a symetre, both spools are pretty much the same design.
When I was talking to a tackle shop owner in towsville he said that the other reason most people do it is so that one reel of braid can spool 2 lines.
Xtreme
04-01-2008, 10:03 PM
PNG,
Just to support TheRealAndy and GPB, I have had the slippage problem with fireline on a CT200. Had me stumped for a while looking for a drag problem as whenever I locked up on a fish it would just peel line like free spooling........
I ALWAYS spool my super lines under plenty of tension to avoid slip but it still happened. Since moving to a couple of layers of mono, not a problem on any of my reels.
Good luck with those PNG monsters.
plaztix
04-01-2008, 11:38 PM
I got my new sol spooled up down at Fish head today and the guys said it was not necessary to put a mono backing on if you tied the braid on properly. They do 6 turns around the spool before doing the knot, making sure it is nice and tight and just fill the spool with braid.
I was very skeptical as everyone is telling me that without backing the braid will spin on the spool but they both assured me this way it wont.
I got about 280m of 20lb PE2 braid on one spool and the full 300m of 10lb PE1 braid on the other with about 80 or so metres of backing underneath the 10lb to fill it up.
If it gives me grief i will be back down there for a respool::)
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