Braid to mono leader knots

[gleeeza]

Hi all

I have for some time been using about 10m mono tied to the end of my braid rig for deep water floating and live baiting. I use a Bimini double on the braid and a no name to attach the mono, sometimes an Albright if I am feeling lucky.

I say lucky because I am usually not entirely confident with the result. No matter how well I lubricate it and carefully I snug it up the mono can show signs of abrasion just below the knot.

In saying this I have to date never had one fail me at that point but the day will come and I just know I won't be happy Jan. I have read about wind on leaders used in game fishing and from what I understand the knot is, or can be formed with duel doubles but I haven't found a decent explanation on how to tie it(animation preferred). Any ideas ?????

Gleeeza

[ozvettec1]

G'day Gleeza, I have been using a back to back uni knot, don't know the proper name, for attaching 40lb braid to heavier mono leader when jack fishing and never had one let go yet.

[Flex]

why would you not keep using the Bimini and no-name? no other brain to mono set up even comes close to matching that for knot strength. its at least 30% better than anything else

or do you need a quicky knot for when you bust off?

[gleeeza]

Yeh Flex my info says I am on the right track strength wise with my choice of knot, I just have a suspicion that the abrasion on the mono I am getting is not exactly normal and wonder where I am going wrong???

I know when I butcher the knot completely when in snugging it up and pulling it tight the mono just keeps coming right through and I am left with a pig tail on the mono. On the animated example I used it said six turns was enough and if I nailed it ,I nailed it but often it just pulled through. I have had a go at upping the turns to ten and seemed to have a bit more success although I haven't road tested this model yet. I am trying to avoid a bitter lesson with a decent knob at the end of the season. By the way I am joining 80lb Platil to 60lb Black Magic leader, overkill yes but I got caught up in the moment. Have the same problem with 30lb Platil to 40lb Black Magic.

Cheers Gleeeza

[Gill]

Yeh Flex my info says I am on the right track strength wise with my choice of knot, I just have a suspicion that the abrasion on the mono I am getting is not exactly normal and wonder where I am going wrong???

I know when I butcher the knot completely when in snugging it up and pulling it tight the mono just keeps coming right through and I am left with a pig tail on the mono. On the animated example I used it said six turns was enough and if I nailed it ,I nailed it but often it just pulled through. I have had a go at upping the turns to ten and seemed to have a bit more success although I haven't road tested this model yet. I am trying to avoid a bitter lesson with a decent knob at the end of the season. By the way I am joining 80lb Platil to 60lb Black Magic leader, overkill yes but I got caught up in the moment. Have the same problem with 30lb Platil to 40lb Black Magic.

Cheers Gleeeza

after you have done your six wraps up the double, wrap the tag line back down the double over the first wraps then put your tag line through the double loop and tighten. Gill

[Lucky_Phill]

There is a knot called ' Slim Beauty " that has been used by deepwater jigging folk. Apparently it has 100% knot strength and smaller in diameter than the double Uni/ back to back one. I goggled the knot and found a video on ' how to', I have tried it and with practice may end up using it, as I am just getting into deepwater jigging.

I personally use the double uni for my braid to mono ( 50lb Bionic to 60lb Penn 10X ) and have no trouble pulling the knot through the tip.

The only tip I tell people when tying knots in braid is, tie the knot the same as a mono knot, but DOUBLE everything.

Phill

[gleeeza]

Yes Gill that is what I have been doing but as I say I am still getting the chaffing about 1cm under the knot when it is all tight sometimes.

Phill, when you say double everything do you mean the wraps of the mono also on the no name in this case? Apart from this connection all my other knots are in the mono and there is no dramas at that end of my game, so far so good.

Thanks I will have a look for that slim beauty though, leave no stone unturned and keep me occupied while I wait for this weather to break.

Gleeeza

[Barraboy7]

I run the slim beauty and it is highly recomended as safe by Bushy, his top knot, and many of the top barra anglers using 50lb braid to 80lb mono use it. Most guys say its never let them down. But make sure you get a version of it that is not off a flyfishing site. I think The Geoff Wilson version is the one all the guys use, it is critical on where you finish your knot off.
I will see if I can post a link for you. Also check out the Yucatan knot.
Barraboy

[aussiefool]

Mate this is the link to the knot that I use

http://neilmackellow.sea-angler.org/knot1.html

good luck
Aussiefool
Andrew

[gleeeza]

http://www.anglers-outlet.com/slim_beauty_knot.htm

This is the go, no dramas tying it and none of that chaffing and rootimg around trying to keep all the loops in check while tying because the loops are done in the braid and not the mono which snugs up much easier. Now for the acid test, I will let you know how I go with it

gleeeza

[craigie]

I' use the "Twisted Leader Knot" found in Geoff wilson's "Leader and braided lines" knot book (it's the one with a blue cover).

Simple to tie, passes easily through runners. Never had a failure !!
Use it when spinning for mackerel, deep water plastics for Snapper, AJ's and Cobes.
problem solved !!!


Cheers
Craigie

I'll stick up a diagram in the near future.

[gleeeza]

Thanks craigie I will be having a look at that next time I get to the library, had heard of it but I had to start somewhere and it just wasn't there.

Great recreation fishing, never know it all as there is always another road to Rome.

Gleeeza

[Horse]

why would you not keep using the Bimini and no-name? no other brain to mono set up even comes close to matching that for knot strength. its at least 30% better than anything else

Where do you get these sorts of stats from :-/ . I'll give you half a dozen other knot combinations where if you beat them by 30% you will be going well over 100%:o Thats a good combo but in many cases no stronger than many others and probably similiar to Double Centauri or Improved Albright

[NormC]

I also use the Slim Beauty, particularly when using heavy leader (60 or 80 lb with 30 or 50 lb braid for barra). I use a slight variation to the one posted above. Firstly I double the braid. Secondly, I keep a loop open in the braid where it comes out of the mono figure 8. After twisting the braid up and back along the leader, I finish it off by putting the braid tag back through the braid loop I kept open, rather than through the mono figure 8 loop.

I find that this locks the braid tag better. With 80 lb mono, it is hard to pull the figure 8 up tight enough to lock the braid tag well. That's my experience anyway.

The Slim Beauty is the only knot I've tried that will always feed unhindered through the eye of my rod when flicking lures. Reason is, firstly it is slim (as the name suggests) and also the tag from the thick mono points back down the rod. If it ever clicks on the eye it is on the retrieve, not the cast.

For lighter line, I often use a uni to uni or Albright as they are a bit quicker to tie and the knot size is not as important.

[Jonli]

Hi guys ,

Check this :

http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/fishing_knots.asp

I use MidKnot exclusively for GT/Tuna popping but find this knot won't work on most of the FC leader .

Jon .

[Willo]

Hi Guys
Great artical in the Spring issue 39 of Sport Fishing on knots and knots strenghts
Listing all brands and there knot strenght and breaking strain
WAs interesting in the artical to read that they suggest you can have too many turns on biminis and other knots that actually weaken the knot
Willo

[Horse]

Might have to grab a copy of that article

Neil

[cameron walker]

Improved Albright never fails is quick to rig and there is no abrasion to mono.Double your braid do 5 twists tightly ,then 3 back up and out the mono loop the opposite way it went in . This knot has worked from the gulf to murfys for me.