Jack Erskines Twisted leader

[Barraboy7]

Can anyone help with how you tie a Jack Erskines Twisted leader. How is it fixed to the main line after its crimped amd what type of crimps do you use. Is the leader longer back past the twisted section?Do you attach the lure with a clip?
Appreciate some advice, I am heading to Awoonga soon. Or any better ideas?
Thanks
barraboy7

[Pointyfish]

I believe the twisted section is only about 6 to 8inchs long with the rest of the leader being a single strand around five foot long. The twisted section is crimped either end with alumnium crimps and the lure is held on with a snap.

I would recommend using and albright knot or similar to attach the leader to the main line so you can wind it on to the rod. A short section of double line in your main line will be required for this to give you the required knot strength.

I believe Jack demonstrates this leader on the FishingDvd Vol.2

[Barraboy7]

Thanks Pointy
I am guessing this idea is mainly to avoid breakoffs due to the leader wearing through on big fish due to abraision?
barraboy

[Mak579]

Guys,

Last year I wrote a step by step method of constructing these leaders. The pictures are missing but I have them (somewhere) and I'll update it later tonight.

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?t=101312

(I think the post is called "Awoonga Barra - Terminal Tackle")

If you have any particular questions on them let me know, I've been using them for 3-4years with great success.

Regards
Matt C

[McCod]

G'day Barraboy7'
Mate i don't know what size sleave is used to crimp the doubled 80 lb line together. The but section is aprox 30cm long attached to a number 6 Halco Cross-Lock Snap. A small bit of red tube like some use on whiting gear is used on the line fold to help stop the snap cuting or wearing through the mono. The rest is single mono usualy around 1 mtr long and you tie it to your main line how ever you like...... Most blokes use the allbright, improved allbright, or the Yucatan knot. Will post a few pics so you can get abit of an idea what they look like. You can have this 1 if ya want as it's been just laying around in the shed. I mainly use 150-200 lb braid for Barra leaders these days.

Cheers Les

[McCod]

Gday Matt!
Sorry about that' Didn't see ya post as i dragged the chain to long while writing mine...... having breakie etc @ the same time

Cheers Les

[Barraboy7]

Thanks Les
Really appreciate that! And also the bit about the heavy leader in Braid. man if that works it sounds a lot simpler than all the other mono ideas. can you tell me more. I noted from a few reads I have done that a few guys go the big braid leaders. Do you go just a straight length of the Braid? And what is the best knot in Braid to connect the lure?
Many thanks
barraboy

[Barraboy7]

Thanks Mac579
I followed that thread and its got loads of info. Much appreciated!
barrboy7

[Mak579]

Gday Matt!
Sorry about that' Didn't see ya post as i dragged the chain to long while writing mine...... having breakie etc @ the same time

Cheers Les

Hey Les, how's things,

Heard you might be headin'up north next month, will have to catch up for a beer!

Matt C

[Mak579]

Guys,

I've attached the pics in a a new thread (created in the tackle section)

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?p=678457&posted=1#post678457

Hope that can be of assistance,
Cheers,
Matt C

[McCod]

Hey Les, how's things,

Heard you might be headin'up north next month, will have to catch up for a beer!

Matt C

Yeah good mate!
Yep heading up your way soon! mmmm beer will be nice! as it's a bit of a dry argument out here at the moment :P C ya

Cheers Les

[whiting]

I thought I tried to follow your instructions Matt - but when finished the twisted section "untwists" - how do you get it to stay twisted?

Whiting

[Mak579]

Whiting,

Allow the snaplock to twist whilst your twisitng the leader together and it should stay twisted.

PM me if I can help further.

Best of luck,
Matt C

[whiting]

Thanks Matt, I tried it again and had no problems -Thanks again

Whiting

[Bob H]

why only such a small section doubled ? wouldn,t give much stretch, and would be better imo to nail knot instead of crimps, ( much smaller diameter).bob

[Bob H]

ps. why not double the full length of approx 5 foot put through clip, the double -double the last foot giving you a 4 foot stretch leader. there is not much sense in doubling 1 foot,it wont give you any stretch,which is what twisted leaders are made for, and if its only for end strength you want put a heavier leader on the end.bob

[Mak579]

Hey Bob, great question,

This twisted leader is purely designed to improve abrasion resistance (from the barra's mouth), not neccessarily strength or stretch, although it does stretch quite a bit.(I have tied this setup to the fence and pulled until something broke, one way of testing knots and materials).
I have seen leaders that twist the full length, (a lot of these can be bought of the shelf) and they generally use smaller diameter mono and appear to work quite well.
It's up to the individual angler to decide what works for them, the important thing to remember is it's no good having a bullet proof leader if it has a detrimental effect on lure action!

Cheers
Matt C

[Whitto]

why only such a small section doubled ? wouldn,t give much stretch, and would be better imo to nail knot instead of crimps, ( much smaller diameter).bob
The idea Bob of the last 30cm doubled is to give a lesser chance of the gill rakers cutting you off, I use 60lb Jenkai in the twisted leader format and on a few occasions have boated Barra with the leader partially severed, A bit of insurance if you like, Cheers Greg

[Bob H]

the twisted leader was made initially to act as a shock absorber,especially using braid, how do i know this , because i made the machine to make them,then made
maybe 10,000 of the bloody things,can make em in my sleep now. bob h

[four_button_arnie]

Just wondering.....if one to to use a twisted leader is there a knot that could be tied at the end of the twisted section possibly before the red bead, just to avoid any risk at all of knocking out the tip eyelet. Maybe to have the red bead actually on the braid??? im just so dam paranoid about stuffing my pretty new eylets!!! Just so im making myself a bit clearer what i want is just the twisted section and not the few feet of leader exiting the twisted section awaiting to be tied onto your braid.

Sorry for been so dam confusing, i hope someone understood the dribble i just went on with, cheers Josh
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[wamjam]

McCod is that your boat?.:-/ If so whats the top speed????:o
wamjam

[Bob H]

start with about eight foot of mono, bend it in half,the bend later on becomes the part you join your braid with,twist the mono to give you four foot of double twisted , then put clip on bottom about one foot from the end ,then twist together for a foot, giving you 3 foot of double and 1 foot of double double(four strands of mono) then nail not the end and at the one foot mark where the double meets the double,double. you end up with loop one end and a clip yhe other no knots to break.and it stretches like a bungie strap,which is what a twisted leader was designed for in the first place. bob