international group ?

[wayneoro]

trying to get info on a caribbean baron any clues on how to thanks wayne

[BM]

What do you wish to know?

[finga]

trying to get info on a caribbean baron any clues on how to thanks wayne

Why not just ask??
You never know what'll pop up ;D

[BGG]

If you are referring to the late 70's model then HYG

LOA

[BGG]

Try again
If you are referring to the late 70's model then HYG

LOA 5.51metres
Beam 2.34metres
Max HP 150
Weight 636KG

[wayneoro]

Try again
If you are referring to the late 70's model then HYG

LOA 5.51metres
Beam 2.34metres
Max HP 150
Weight 636KG
cheers i didnt think it was that old its 5'5 m or 19ft 3in built in 80's i thought am looking for interier lay outs etc ideas cheers

[BM]

The Baron typically had a generously sized cabin with large bunk cushions. You could modify the forward side of the cabin bulkhead to install a stove area on one side and a sink are on the other if that was your intention.

I did this in a restoration job for a customer on a Savage Surveyor (19ft cabin cruiser).

You could modernise the side pockets by building in some ply panels and then a thin layer of foam and vinyl over that. Run the pockets from floor to gunwale and cut long slots for access. Also raise the shelf level to just below the slot (obviously).

In floor tank would be a good mod although I have seen them with factory fitted in floor tanks (although I could be wrong there).

Cheers

[Grand_Marlin]

All the Caribbean / Pride boats were very well constructed.
In saying this, they are all subject to deterioration over time, especially if neglected.

BM, do you know the history of International marine / Bertram / Pride / Caribbean? and when how they came to partnership, when they separated, and when the Bertram name was taken away in lieu of Caribbean in the bigger boats?

Cheers

Pete

[BM]

Yep, sure do. Will post a bit later. Got to get a short job done before the next storm hits....

Cheers

[wayneoro]

cheers mate it has the built in 150ltr glass fuel tank very interested in the stove being built in etc any pics would be great

[BM]

All the Caribbean / Pride boats were very well constructed.
In saying this, they are all subject to deterioration over time, especially if neglected.

BM, do you know the history of International marine / Bertram / Pride / Caribbean? and when how they came to partnership, when they separated, and when the Bertram name was taken away in lieu of Caribbean in the bigger boats?

Cheers

Pete

Pete,

Now, bearing in mind that I was only just on this earth in the early 70's ;D i am relying ont he knowledge of a good friend who was the National Service Manager during the 60's for Mercury (who were at that time distributed in Australia solely by International Marine).

Int' Marine purchased the Pride Boating Company sometime in the 70's. Pride was based in Sydney if I recall correctly. The same boat in many cases came out as either a Pride or a Caribbean. Simple marketing ploy to get a larger slice of the pie. Just like Mercury having Mariner. Same engine, different name.

Pride was killed off somewhere around 1980 or shortly thereafter. I can't think of many Pride boats built in the 80's.

The Bertram name was sold to an Italian company in approx 1989 give or take. They notified Int' Marine that they could no longer use the Bertram name and what was the Bertram 25 became a Caribbean 26 (I don't know if the size change coincided with the name alteration though).

Int' Marine built the Bertram 20 until the mid/late 70's and then they ceased production, removed the reverse chine from the hull (so it could be built in a 1 piece hull mould instead of a 2 piece). The boat was then re-released as the Pride Bahia-Mar (Bahia being an island in the Caribbean..... get the connection???) These ran into the early 80's. It is possible they ran later but I would have to check on that. I had these sort of discussions with my mate probably 2-3 yrs ago so my recollection may be a little hazy. :P

As a side note Savage Boats fibreglass side of the business ceased operating in approx 1980. There was no activity for a number of years and then they restarted in around 1985 or a bit later witrh new models and most of the older models ceased production. You often see people with a 70's Savage and they have it advertised as late 80's etc etc Funny that, I reckon most peoples advertising (on the older boats) is wrong 90% of the time.. Buyer beware...........::)

OK... Wayne I will post some pics very shortly of the Savage Surveyor restoration showing the old stove area and the new (starboard side behind the helm) and the area to be converted to a sink, with deck filled water storage and through hull discharge.

Cheers

[Greg P]

Bit of history of Caribbean and Bertram on the link below at the bottom of the page;

http://www.stkildaboatsales.com.au/caribbean-range

[Grand_Marlin]

The age of hulls is so true, a lot of people have absolutely no idea.

When you look back to the late eighties / early nineties ... we were starting to see the emergence of the new breed of boats from the major manufacturer's ... modernised from the old half cab style to the new cuddy cab style.
Boats such as the Seafarer Victory cuddy, Haines Signature 600F, Cruisecraft 580 Outsider, Savage Mako, Haines 560F & 580SF, Hookem 5.0m Cat.
Also, there are so many Sharkcats advertised as early nineties (always the last one made before Noosa Cat took over so they say) ... even though they have the 70's flat sponsons !!! (like the 2 advertised on e bay)

So, what I am trying to say is ... these above mentioned boats are still regarded as relatively modern, especially in styling compared to the older boats.

Chances are, if you are buying a boat with a half cabin, vinyl upholstery, timber cabin bulkhead, big front facing windows, aqua, yellow, red or some other plain coloured gelcoat on the topsides, 20" transom, fitted with a "Low Hours" Blueband Merc, Light Silver coloured Evinrude, a Chrysler or a Johnson with brown pinstripes and a seahorse on the cowl... then you are in the 70's ... maybe early eighties .... but definitely not late eighties or nineties.

Cheers

Pete

[finga]

The age of hulls is so true, a lot of people have absolutely no idea.


Chances are, if you are buying a boat with a half cabin, vinyl upholstery, timber cabin bulkhead, big front facing windows, aqua, yellow, red or some other plain coloured gelcoat on the topsides, 20" transom, fitted with a "Low Hours" Blueband Merc, Light Silver coloured Evinrude, a Chrysler or a Johnson with brown pinstripes and a seahorse on the cowl... then you are in the 70's ... maybe early eighties .... but definitely not late eighties or nineties.

Cheers

Pete
Oooh goodo. Sounds as though I wasn't fibbed to when I brought the old tub. Red gelcoat, blue band Merc., 20" transom, did I mention red gelcoat ::).....
It's all retro and coming back isn't it??
All I need is the speckled red laminex on the baitboard and I'm home and hosed :)

[BM]

OK Wayne,

some pics of the Savage Surveyor (19ft) half cab resto.

The first pic shows the old stove area with opening beneath on the starboard side (in front of cabin bulkhead). The customer wanted shelving and doors for this area.

The second pic shows the completed stove area complete with doors.

The third pic shows the port side area (in front of cabin bulkhead) which was a wasted area. This was to be turned into a sink are, with 20ltr water tank underneath, pump tap, deck filler and overboard sink discharge

The 4th pic shows the new sink area.

We also had to fit a toilet, raise the hardtop 6 inches coz he was a tall bugger, then paint the boat, reline and recarpet it, full set of camper covers, rework the trailer etc etc

Cheers

[finga]

Any pictures of the helm area and outside etc BM??
The contrasting wooden edges make a difference don't they.

[wayneoro]

cheers mate nice work my boat is also a bowrider [the first of i think] the cabin door is missing the toilet is between bunks if i have a email address i can post pics

[BM]

Varnished timber is always nice Finga. Old fashioned (sort of) but very homely.

Some more pics:

First pic is old cabin cushions (I wish I had taken a more cabin area type shot here)

Second pic is the new cabin

Third pic is of the old helm station area

Fourth pic is a general 'new cockpit area"

Fifth pic is an external finished product and the 6th pic is likewise


Cheers

[wayneoro]

love it all mate have you any more detailed info on camper canopy, cabin door, ty wayne

[finga]

Wayne mate, those doors look just like a louver door people put on their pantries years ago. Try some of the demolishion or recycle places for one and cut the top down.

She certainly come up a treat BM. Well done. :thumbsup:
I must be showing my age because I like the 'old classics'. Just something about them.

[BM]

What do you want to know about the camper covers? Those doors were standard fitment. Finga's on the right track as to where to locate them I reckon.

Cheers

[kingtin]

Bunnings sold the louvre doors at one time.........don't know if they still do though.

Love the olde worlde feel to the timber in those older boats.

kev

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